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i Was just reading a pretty heated exchange between a couple of FS most frequent journalers . It is clear to everyone that there are dozens of types of food eating programs and theories. And in ways, they are all correct. By reading the literature that is out there you can make a case for any given program as being the magic bullet. they may not all be “healthy” choices but you can loose. The biggest problem is when your goal has been met, when the diet “stops”. In the length of time it has taken the dieter to loose X amount of pounds have they learned anything about living and eating and socializing and cooking for others IN THE REAL WORLD. From my perspective, learning to live in the real world is what the dieting phase is about. It is practice in How to control what YOU are personally eating, “portion control” How to deal with those around you who may be heavy themselves and try to sabbatoge your efforts. How to learn that it IS ok to have a small slice of great Aunt Bettie’s killer chocolate cake. It is a piece of cake, not a death sentence. No apology, no guilt. How to finally figure out that part of any weight loss program includes physical activity. People who think they can loose weight without some type of increased activity doesn’t pass the giggle test. This type of approach puts you in a position of developing not only eating habits but life habits that you can live in the real world with. I see sooo many people are on FS losing the same large amounts of weight over and over again and loosing self esteem more each and every time. For all of those members with serious binge eating issues, I don’t know what to say— I am not a psychologist. I do know that this can be done because I have seen it work a couple dozen times. 50 lb, 175 lb, 250lb. This approach does work. It breaks my heart to see what some people are going through.
One last thing on my rant—- here we have overweight people desperately trying to loose weight who are feeding their families and kids the same types of foods that have contributed to their own issues. Sooo, how is that going to work out? Self fulfilling prophecy
Diet Calendar Entries for 21 April 2018:
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1326 kcal
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Fat: 69.53g | Prot: 43.54g | Carb: 143.21g.
Breakfast: Oroweat 12 Grain Bread, Food Club Large Egg, Sarabeth's Orange Apricot Marmalade, Maxwell House International Cafe Orange, Welch's 100% Grape Juice (Can). Lunch: Pure Leaf Unsweetened Green Tea, Fisher Pecan Halves, Walnuts, Pure Leaf Honey Green Tea, Eat Smart Sunrise Slaw, Fresh Express Spinach, Cooked Kale (from Fresh), Reduced Sodium Soy Sauce, Trader Joe's Organic Firm Tofu. Dinner: Coors Non Alcoholic Beer, Birds Eye Steamfresh Broccoli, Vegetable Salad (Tossed Without Dressing), Land O'Lakes Traditional Half & Half, Cauliflower Rice, Great Value Elbow Macaroni, Gruyere Cheese, Tillamook Colby Jack Cheese, Tillamook Extra Sharp Cheddar Cheese. Snacks/Other: Haagen-Dazs White Chocolate Raspberry Truffle Ice Cream, Driscoll's Strawberries. more...
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1762 kcal
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Activities & Exercise:
Housework - 1 hour, Swimming (slow) - 2 hours, Resting - 13 hours, Sleeping - 8 hours. more...
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Those are some pretty harsh observations, just saying. Weight loss is 80% diet 20% exercise. We have members that cannot exercise for one reason or another. What people are feeding their families will not determine they will have an issue later on.
Everyone is different and everyones body responds differently. I try to support everyone on Fat Secret but your words can hurt rather than help many members.
21 Apr 18 by member: 8Patty
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I noted, increased activity— many people cannot do Pilates , calisthenics, or whatever. Exercise to the best of their ability. It is harsh, people just need to understand that the loss is almost the least of the battle. You have to change something in your makeup that will help you get off the rollercoaster. I know that I am preaching to the choir but regardless it is all part of the learning curve. Like it or not— it does not change the truth.
21 Apr 18 by member: Kenna Morton
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I was semi following your posts for some time and in general agree with most of what you say. I like your attitude, and you are very well versed. I think this is a great post as well. One thing I disagree with is that people only regain weight because of binging. I’ve been here for a while and many members have thyroid issues, PCOS, other issues that often go undiagnosed for years and a list of other conditions that they are often not willing to disclose. Mobility issues are also a problem for many. I personally applaud people who do not give up on themselves, regroup and come back after traumas, illnesses and personal disasters and what not. It is still better to lose same 20 lb again and again than give up and end up being disabled by obesity. One thing I learned here is that everybody’s story is different, and we don’t always know the whole story. Same about eating healthy and feeding the families. In many cases the whole family is overeating, but in many cases that is not true. I can tell from my own experience. When I was thin I also thought that overweight people just don’t try hard enough. Now I learned not to judge.
21 Apr 18 by member: Ingria
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There are exceptions to everything, of course. However as a nurse I can tell you that the obesity statistics for our youth are horrific. The youngest person I have ever had come in to my ER in full cardiac arrest from a massive heart attack was 12 years old and weighed 200 lbs. We cracked his chest in the ER and hand pumped his heart all the way to the OR where he died. His blood vessels looked like the fat on a chicken.. when you have fat on the outside of your body, you may have it equally as bad inside the blood vessels as well. That fat hardens and occludes the inside of the vessels limiting blood flow.. Part of the purpose of exercise is not just for weight loss—- exercise increases your heart’s demand for oxygen. Your body responds by initiating the growth of additional small vessels to help with the oxygen delivery. As you age this happens more slowly and the body has a chance to build additional networks of vessels to pick up that demand. If you have a heart attack at a much younger age 12, 19, 29 whatever, that growth of blood vessels with increased oxygen carrying capacity has not yet had a chance to take place and the mortality rate is very high. As an analogy think about the freeway system around your home town. Big rig turns over and blocks up the whole freeway—- but if you have lots of surface streets they can detour that traffic flow until the road is clear. Does that make sense? So exercise is not just about weight loss, it is about increasing your chances of surviving a cardiac event until you can get your weight under control.
21 Apr 18 by member: Kenna Morton
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I think you missed my point. That it is better to do as much as you can when you can and never give up. And most people on FS who are here for weight loss are incredibly resilient and doing exactly that. And I respect them for that no matter how many missteps they take. (By the way you will be surprised to see how many extremely fit and athletic people use FS as well). Nobody argues the necessity of exercise regardless of weight loss. But as a nurse you must also know that there are situations in life when moving a toe counts as an exercise and that not all cases of heart attacks and other illnesses can be prevented by weightloss and exercise. Again, nothing in what you say is wrong in general, but somehow it gives the impression that you somewhat despise the people you are trying to help.
21 Apr 18 by member: Ingria
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@Kenna Morton I was just thinking the same thing about what people say about feeding their families. I have personally figured out that my weight and eating issues are psychological as much as anything else too. I agree that the real world is hard to navigate on a diet but my mantra at one time was "everything you eat is a diet - maybe it's a bad diet, but the word applies to everything you eat"
22 Apr 18 by member: abbadabba
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Everyone needs to do what works for them. We are all different. We all have different challenges. You do you and everyone else needs to figure out what works for them.
22 Apr 18 by member: RiverRes
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We are addicted to flour, sugar, fat and quantity.
22 Apr 18 by member: DianneGardner
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I hate that word “diet” and almost never use it because of its negative connotations. You eat to fuel your body, you eat to savor the taste of something you have not tried before, you eat to share an experience with friends. I much prefer the concept of life style— this is the way I choose to eat to enable the life style that I want. The word DIET to me indicates an end point to be achieved. A lifestyle change and eating to support a lifestyle is an ongoing process that does not include failure, deprivation, and guilt. It takes making trade offs, healthier choices, planning and effort. It is not about a magic number in 90 days— it’s about today, tomorrow, next week, next year and the year after. Widely different concepts.
22 Apr 18 by member: Kenna Morton
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I simply don't understand why they bother to fight. All roads lead to Rome. Wouldn't it be nice if we have multiple options?
22 Apr 18 by member: leon_tsai
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Some people can't eat a "small slice of great Aunt Bettie’s killer chocolate cake" just like an alcoholic who can't drink a small glass of Uncle Bernie's killer homemade wine.
22 Apr 18 by member: cjodyssey
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I agree with Dianne Gardner in that if I eat sugar the next day I crave sugar. in past years i have hosted a kids easter hunt. this year i did not - missed the fun but very happy not to make an easter lamb cake and stuff plastic eggs with chocolate!
22 Apr 18 by member: Griffido
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I'm with ya Kenna. I've always known that an Adkins/Keto type plan would never work for me, since red meat doesn't appeal to me that much and I didn't eat any for 15 years. I do support everyone here who is striving for a better life through changes in their eating habits, regardless of the "program". Personally, I'm thrilled that through trial and error, and enlightment, I have no doubt that I can continue to love my food choices indefinitely. Carbs will always be my nemesis, but I am learning how to keep them in check without feeling deprived. Happy Earth Day everyone!! 💖🌎
22 Apr 18 by member: Pixie722
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Go vegan...save your coronary arteries and the animals..this keto crap has been around a long time..it's a killer over time..read Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease by Caldwell Esselstyn!..Clinton's diet...Bill that is....starch based very low fat diet...and walk 3.1 to 6.2 miles every day...been doing it for 7 years...meat and cholesterol are killing us...Esselstyn on You Tube. Seriously...the only folks over time who benefit from high meat diets are interventional cardiologists and nephrologists when you need a bhoass, a stent, a Cath or dialysis...
22 Apr 18 by member: DianneGardner
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Cjodssey- I agree with what you said about not being able to have just a small slice of cake. Before I retired, I was able to pack my lunch and take just one Pecan Sandie and I was happy with that. My goal is to practice portion control, and I can do that for a lot of foods. But now that I'm retired if I have a package of the cookies, I can't eat just the one and be happy. I just have to not have anything really tempting in the house.
22 Apr 18 by member: Fritzy 22
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Check out Dr.John McDougall too on You Tube...pleaee...a high fat meat based diet killed my mither...blockage of her mesenteric artery...it's not just the coronary arteries that become filled with plaque...she was vegan and relapsed back into a high fat meat based duet...it killed her..
22 Apr 18 by member: DianneGardner
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One more thing..if you have Netflix..watch Forks Over Knives...knives being surgical instruments...check out cardiac caths...and bypasses..these are brutal procedures...big money makers...
22 Apr 18 by member: DianneGardner
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I've lost nearly 50lbs without exercise.
22 Apr 18 by member: itzclay
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DianneGardner - you don't even have a weight problem and apparently never had, so why are you on here preaching to people? I don't even see a weight history at all. You are just using this place as a platform to promote your agenda and lifestyle.
My great grandmother lived into her 90's eating whatever and smoked etc. You're just giving anecdotal evidence in your example. Even worse, you act like all fats at the same, and yet it's Sugar(AKA Carbs) that harden the arteries and such. Which btw is the #1 cause of heart disease and stroke - not fat. High fat and High carbs is what will kill you.
22 Apr 18 by member: itzclay
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I choose to ignore all of you and follow my own plan.
22 Apr 18 by member: utahnomo
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