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NEW INSIGHT
It is long believed that the human body can only transform so much fat to energy a day. The proof is that if you starve a fat human being, he will die being fat. The scientist even tried to put a number on the amount of fat a body can transform and that number is about 1 to 2 pound a week. Sure you can lose more weight, but that will not be fat you lost!
recently i am starting to believe the opposite is true as well. Your body can only transform so much food to fat. If i happen to have a day of binging, my scale is always nicer to me than he should be, and the gain, is usually gone within a day or three... go figure that? So what do i gain after binging if it is not fat? Full bowls? salt/water retention? muscle? bone?
You see i made another observation, the day after binging, i can run laps around the world, up all the weights at the gym, and can easily workout for two to three hours in a row without problems... So to me it seems like the body WANTS to use all the food, but cant store it all to fat, so in order to use the fat, there is a surplus on direct usable energy, and enough protein to build and restore muscle.
Finally the second day after binging (and when i talk binging, i do not talk about eating one cookie to much, i talk about a surplus kcals of at least 3000!!!) i have the most wonderful time on the toilet (TMI: sorry)
So my body uses as much as it can from the food, and then when it can no longer "hold it" for me, it just leaves my body again, as waste...
Does that mean i should be binging once in a while?
To me that answer is not conclusive yet. Ofcaurse i gained fat-weight as well, but not as much if i only binge once a month... I am only trying to say that by eating the way i am doing now, my body is becoming very effective as a food processor, just picking out the things it needs rather then store everything it gets! So my goal is now going to try calculating even more things my body might need ... if i give it what it needs, the reward is HUGE...
Diet Calendar Entries for 06 May 2014:
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1750 kcal
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Fat: 69.31g | Prot: 116.34g | Carb: 172.56g.
Breakfast: Delicata Zeebanket, Liga Belvita Breakfast, Tomatoes, Coffee. Lunch: Florida's Natural Orange Juice, Walnoten, Princes Makreelfilets in Water, Croutons, Wortelen, Tomaten, AH Thousand Islands Sla Dressing, Sla, Rucola Sla. Dinner: Tomatoes, Gekookt Ei, Kipfilet, Augurken, Bruine Boterham, Optimel Magere Kwark Cranberry Framboos. Snacks/Other: Perfect Fit Protein, Natura Potassium Calcium Supplement, Glaceau Smartwater - Electrolyte Enhanced Water (33.8 oz), Nature Made Calcium. more...
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2782 kcal
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Activities & Exercise:
Horseback Riding - 1 hour, Sleeping - 8 hours, Resting - 14 hours, Conditioning exercise (health club) - 1 hour. more...
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 Comments
I have noticed this too! And because I have this knowledge in my head, it makes me binge even more and more often because i always think to myself well the weight is not going up that much and you can lose it within a few days. I think that is a bad mentality of mine! However, I have a question.. Do you think that this means that we are not eating enough or fueling our bodies properly on our normal days? Because I can easily workout for so many hours after a binging day!
06 May 14 by member: rklala
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@rklala it is my believe that every craving comes from a shortage. If you need to lose weight, you must put your body in a deprived state, that is inevitable, but if for example your body craves potassium, you will start to look for food, even if that shortage can easily be fixed with just a banana/tomato or even coffee, you will start to binge until the body is satisfied with potassium... This is not a fact, but MY BELIEVES... So you must put your body in a deprived state, but ONLY deprive it from kcals, not from all the other important nutrients you used to eat plentiful when you didn't have to think about it... i have reduced binging to a minimum that way, with only one more obstacle to go (TOM-binging)
06 May 14 by member: puhpine
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some bingeing is emotional and has its roots in trying to be satisfied, full, with life by eating as much food as possible when love or control or anger or other emotional things can't be fulfilled or expressed. Other kinds of bingeing are physiological in nature: starvation (taking in a very small amount of calories) can lead to incontrollable bingeing. It is important to make the distinction between these. The body will catch up, btw, on bingeing. The scale may be "kind" for a couple of days but consistent bingeing will lead to massive weight gain that is unhealthy.
06 May 14 by member: Revaudrey
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@revaudrey true, i did not include those here, and i should have... as well as binging because you are THIRSTY or COLD. two other much underestimated triggers ;)
06 May 14 by member: puhpine
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Love this topic - in a way I think we went a 1000 rounds on it about a year ago when I was asking 'why... didn't I gain ... more?' There was much talk of 'set points' and thermogenics. I was intrigued that a fat person would starve to death and still be 'fat' - is that without water? That paragraph alone should make many people who cut their calories to ridiculous lows all in the quest to lose weight stop and think. ((and I'm not judging.. I was one of them many many times...thinking it would just bring me skinny not dead although I know lack of nutrition will cause a heart attack.)) There are many members here who consider 'indulgence days' as part of their plan because it fires up the body with energy burning metabolism etc. It's a tricky thing. The time I lost a massive amount of weight in my 40's I scheduled 'anything goes weekends' and actually forced myself to eat all those foods I normally avoided the rest of the month - fast food, high fat food, etc. I am sure a binge now and then likely shocks the body enough to make it start burning thru calories like a lotto winner spends money but after a while it would get used to the excess and start storing again. One day at a time, right?
06 May 14 by member: FullaBella
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I think when we overeat it confuses the body. And I also have to agree that when we are craving something it's because we need something. Great topic of discussion!
06 May 14 by member: aggie95
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Yeah, it is perplexing. I lost weight a couple weeks ago after having had 2-3 days at 100-150 kcals more than my usual intake. I decided that I needed to keep mixing things up and having some high days and then some low days. Great observations! Totally true about the boundless energy after binging, lol. That is one downside of dieting. Often, we lack that energy to workout.
06 May 14 by member: gilliansings
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@gilliansings it even goes further then that... today i had my upper-body workout, i could highten ALL exercises!!! ALL of them. unbelievable!
06 May 14 by member: puhpine
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Maud, when I am on a calorie deficit, I can still lift heavy, but I cannot lift more from week to week, the weight I lift remains the same. When I am bulking and eating 400-500 grams of carbs and a 3500 calorie diet, my lifts increase every single week without fail. You also gain fat when you eat like that for more than a few days. Its a trade-off. You can exercise enough to burn the 3500 calories every day, but that would ruin your muscle gains, cant gain much muscle without gaining some fat with it. :)
06 May 14 by member: chadlius88
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You observations fall in line with what athletes do when doing things like carb loading. However, I am also reminded of a guy I was watching a documentary on who swum some channel and lost 5lbs in a day. So perhaps the body can't convert more then a set amount of fat... except when extreme muscle strain is in progress(which wouldn't be involved during starvation, for obvious reasons) idk. Very interesting concepts involved.
06 May 14 by member: FitOKay
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I agree with you and I think if I look over some of my previous reading I can find scientific documentation that will agree with most of what you said.
06 May 14 by member: jparlett
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Chadlius. I know you like eating clean. What were you eating that allowed you to choke down 400 - 500 grams of carbs per day. For me, there'd have to be some junk food in there. Inquiring minds want to know. Chugging oats?
06 May 14 by member: northernmusician
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1 cup of oats at breakfast, 1 cup of oats in my pre-workout protein shake, and 2 cups of brown rice with dinner.
06 May 14 by member: chadlius88
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A Scotsman and an Englishman were having breakfast together. The Englishman noticed the Scot was eating oats and made the comment, "You're eating oats? We feed oats to our horses." The Scotsman lifted another spoonful to his lips and said, "That's why Scotland is know for her men and England is know for her horses."
06 May 14 by member: northernmusician
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This is interesting! Now I am trying to remember if I have ever experienced this too.. Hhhmmm..
06 May 14 by member: ZivaDavid11
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