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This morning's weigh-in Congress with a question to anyone who may know an answer:
Hypertrophy (aka: "muscle gainz") requires a caloric surplus.
Let's say I'm on a cut cycle - which is when bodybuilders traditionally try to preserve muscle mass while shedding fat.
On paper, my intake reflects a caloric deficit. However, if I eat 2500 calories and burn 3000 on a gym day, that 500 calories of body fat that was burned (hopefully) - does that not count towards the surplus?
IS IT NOT POSSIBLE TO ADD MUSCLE WHILE ON A CUT?
My body is still receiving all the necessary calories... just not all from external food... I'm continuously getting stronger on my lifts even though I'm on my second month of a slow cut... am I to believe no muscle mass is being generated??
What kinda sorcery produces strength increases if not muscular adaptation/growth?
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165.0 lb
Lost so far: 0 lb.
Still to go: 0 lb.
Diet followed reasonably well.
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Diet Calendar Entries for 02 January 2021:
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2790 kcal
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Fat: 64.25g | Prot: 239.86g | Carb: 319.57g.
Breakfast: Quaker Cap'n Crunch's Oops! All Berries, Silk Pure Almond Milk - Unsweetened Vanilla, Bang Cookies & Cream Craze High Protein Coffee. Second Breakfast: Gatorade Zero Lemon-Lime, BSN Amino X, Kaged Muscle Citrulline, Optimum Nutrition Micronized Creatine Powder. Elevenses: Kodiak Cakes Flapjack Unleashed Chocolate Chip & Maple, Stouffer's Three Cheese Ravioli with Meat Sauce, Dannon Light & Fit Greek Yogurt - Strawberry Cheesecake, Maple Grove Farms Sugar Free Low Calorie Maple Flavor Syrup, Egg Beaters Egg Beaters - Southwestern Style. Lunch: Coffee (Brewed From Grounds), Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard Casein - Cookie Dough, Nature's Best Perfect Zero Carb Isopure Whey Protein Isolate - Creamy Vanilla. Afternoon Tea: Ocean Spray Diet Cranberry Spray Juice, Nature's Best Perfect Zero Carb Isopure Whey Protein Isolate - Mango Peach. Dinner: Stouffer's Three Cheese Ravioli with Meat Sauce, Breyers Brownie Cheesecake Ice Cream, Skinless Chicken Breast. Supper: Vitafusion MultiVites Gummy Vitamins. more...
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3173 kcal
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Activities & Exercise:
Resting - 30 minutes, Weight Training (Bodybuilding) - 1 hour and 30 minutes, Sleeping - 8 hours, Cooking - 30 minutes, Driving - 2 hours, Housework - 1 hour, Bus Driving - 8 hours, Sitting - 2 hours, Showering - 30 minutes. more...
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steady weight
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Beats me. I just wanted to be first to comment. What do I win?
02 Jan 21 by member: davidsprincess
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I know this answer, but I’ve been watching Coach Greg, so it’s not fair.
02 Jan 21 by member: Katsolo
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I was looking to see what your question about Congress was because I have one of those!
02 Jan 21 by member: Fritzy 22
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Yeah- the congress really threw me off. Well- I don't need to win anything. Just knowing you makes me a winner. 💗 hahaha.🤢
02 Jan 21 by member: davidsprincess
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He grows on you. Kinda like you. 😂
02 Jan 21 by member: Katsolo
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I'm a complete rando and this showed up in my feed. But the thing is, yes, if you're in a caloric deficit you definitely lose fat. But it's possible to gain muscle at the same time through body recompositon.
In fact you can gain quite a bit of strength over time even if you never bulk or cut. It just takes longer.
02 Jan 21 by member: slothario
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I read quite a bit and from what I have gleaned you need protein to keep muscle while losing fat. (weight) 50% of your body weight in gms of protein. if you are 200 lbs your protein should be 100gm. I have read you can have too much protein. (over 100gm.) Many on fast fad diets end up losing water weight and muscle, not fat and thereby slowing their metabolisms. Do your research and make sure you are doing more good for yourself than harm.
02 Jan 21 by member: Fiberoptic
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You can most definitely gain muscle while in a deficit. You will not grow fast but you can gain strength and muscle. As long as your meeting or exceeding your protein needs.
However....... I’m no doctor just a circle ⭕️. 😂
02 Jan 21 by member: smashfoodmike
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Chris, Greg Doucett can be annoying and a bit ranty, but my goodness I have learned a lot from him.
02 Jan 21 by member: smashfoodmike
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You need a surplus to actually go through a real bulk. But eating 1000 calories over maintenance is not only going to make you make gains but also make you put on unwanted body fat. If you take the time and find your true maintenance calories then add 300 calories to that and see what happens. If you stall out after a month add another 200 you should look to gain a lb a week. But never exceeding 10-15lbs over your ideal weight. Then once you do that back off the calories to 200 under maintenance cut the unwanted fat and see where you are then.
02 Jan 21 by member: smashfoodmike
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You'll know it when you see it.
02 Jan 21 by member: Les Girth
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Chris has your cardio volume changed? For example I’d say you stopped doing cardio the last month you would have that many more calories to help you grow. Aside from a change in cardio or aerobic output you might just be smashing harder in the gym which is a good thing. I’m curious on what diabolic thinks. I’m not an expert and I know he has a lot of insight into this area.
02 Jan 21 by member: smashfoodmike
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Yes, SFM, I've learned a ton even though I'm not a dude. I learn in 20 minute increments. I skip the HRT stuff.
02 Jan 21 by member: Katsolo
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02 Jan 21 by member: davidsprincess
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it's all good, Chris, whatnot with your current Cardi B fixation and all, I understand. i skip certain ones the same way I tune out different people in my life. I haven't bought the cookbook, I'm not into exploring SARMs (he doesn't advocate for this). I do like his "harder than last time" which I used to adhere to but had lost in the past couple of years. he's also very similar to a former coach I had in my life. we definitely had a love hate relationship, but I did work harder then. sometimes I need an obnoxious a$$ in my life to get moving
02 Jan 21 by member: Katsolo
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It's possible to add muscle in a deficit if you're pretty far from your genetic potential in max lean mass. The closer you are to your limit, the more the severity of the deficit and your protein intake matters. So a smaller deficit and a lot of protein and of course intense lifting will ensure some "gains" in newbies or lifters who are coming back from being bigger and stronger in the past.
02 Jan 21 by member: -Diablo
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Getting stronger while cutting than when you're bulking makes no sense though to be honest lol. Maybe you're improving your technique. My strength shot up dramatically in a surplus and as I gained weight. Mass moves mass. I don't look forward to losing some strength in the next half a year but I'll enjoy revealing more muscle.
02 Jan 21 by member: -Diablo
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You’re in the clear, your arms are too long.
02 Jan 21 by member: Katsolo
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it turns out my prior statement was correct for protein intake for the general public. Body building does not use the same. Losing weight also requires more protein so that we do not lose muscle. You will need even more Chris. To maintain weight, . 36X LEAN BODY MASS, which i gather is without the fat!(your ideal body weight?) Double the answer when losing weight!
Too much protein is harmful when carbs and fats are cut. The body has to convert the protein to be used and this is hard on the organs.
so 1.2 to 1.5 Times our lean weight in lbs. when losing weight to just to maintain our muscle.
Again, research and err on the safe side.
02 Jan 21 by member: Fiberoptic
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Love Greg Doucette's rants. Oddly entertaining.
02 Jan 21 by member: LaughingChevre
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