adefwebserver's Journal, 29 September 2018

A person can only share their own experience and allow you to evaluate it. Telling someone else what they should do or trying to shame them is deadly.

If I tell a Type 1 diabetic to follow my low carb eating and then go for a run, because their pancreas cannot produce the insulin needed to prevent hypoglycemia, *that-advise-will-kill-them*.

In the same way, a insulin resistant person will have skyrocketing blood sugar levels if they think they can suck down 200 carbs a day like they see others doing. Forget about losing weight (I’ve been on this site for 8 years and during the first 6 years was only able to lose 15 pounds (2.5lbs a year))

So, I can only share my - OWN - experience:

🌟 For me insulin matters. Calories do not make me fat, insulin makes me fat. In *my* body (I don’t know about ‘yours’) insulin production is affected by the amount of carbs I consume. If I do not reduce my carbs I will not lose weight, period.

All my conclusions are backed my data I recorded day by day for the past 5 months. Even when a person is talking about their own experience, ask them to show you their data. Examine their data for yourself.

Here are my numbers:

🌟 May [194lbs-188lbs] : 551kcal (Fat: 25.63g, Protein: 23.44g, Carbs: 60.27g)
🌟 June [188lbs-177lbs] : 585kcal (Fat: 28.99g, Protein: 33.04g, Carbs: 46.91g)
🌟 July [177lbs-167lbs] : 797kcal (Fat: 50.53g, Protein: 59.97g, Carbs: 28.35g)

Notice in July my calories went UP but my carbs went DOWN and I still lost weight.

In August and September I had weeks where I intentionally gained weight to ‘bulk up’ for weight lifting so my calories went UP, however, if I only consume 1500 calories a day I am STILL in a calorie DEFICIT. So, it ‘looks like’ when I double my calories I stop losing weight:

🌟 August [168lbs-169lbs] : 1446kcal (Fat: 73.07g, Protein: 127.94g, Carbs: 64.82g)
🌟 September[168lbs-168lbs] : 1359kcal (Fat: 73.43g, Protein: 117.52g, Carbs: 46.79g)

This is where people will say: “See! It is only the CALORIES that matter! You just need to eat less and move more to lose weight! Simple! You Keto people are So Stupid for believing all that ‘insulin resistant’ crap!”

But let’s look “inside” the averages:

*My* raw numbers for September:

01 - 168lbs - Calories: 2982 Carbs: 90
02 - 169lbs - Calories: 1975 Carbs: 49
03 - 172lbs - Calories: 2273 Carbs: 19
04 - 174lbs - Calories: 865 Carbs: 10
05 - ---lbs - Calories: 920 Carbs: 12
06 - 171lbs - Calories: 920 Carbs: 12
07 - 171lbs - Calories: 920 Carbs: 12
08 - 167lbs - Calories: 1180 Carbs: 15
09 - 168lbs - Calories: 1440 Carbs: 18
10 - 169lbs - Calories: 920 Carbs: 12
11 - 169lbs - Calories: 920 Carbs: 12
12 - 169lbs - Calories: 660 Carbs: 9
13 - 168lbs - Calories: 2122 Carbs: 111
14 - ---lbs - Calories: 2231 Carbs: 148
15 - ---lbs - Calories: 2151 Carbs: 166
16 - ---lbs - Calories: 3420 Carbs: 313
17 - 178lbs - Calories: 920 Carbs: 12
18 - 178lbs - Calories: 920 Carbs: 12
19 - 176lbs - Calories: 920 Carbs: 12
20 - 175lbs - Calories: 1080 Carbs: 19
21 - 175lbs - Calories: 580 Carbs: 9
22 - 172lbs - Calories: 1310 Carbs: 18
23 - 170lbs - Calories: 2491 Carbs: 113
24 - 171lbs - Calories: 790 Carbs: 12
25 - 170lbs - Calories: 900 Carbs: 15
26 - 170lbs - Calories: 565 Carbs: 12
27 - 168lbs - Calories: 860 Carbs: 18
28 - 169lbs - Calories: 1260 Carbs: 74
29 - 168lbs - Calories: 930 Carbs: 18

Let’s looks at the data :

🌟 The biggest gain (10lbs) was from the 13th – 17th (168lbs-178lbs) - 9,924 calories - 738 carbs)
🌟 The biggest loss (10lbs) was from 18th – 27th (178lbs-168lbs) - 9,556 calories – 222 carbs)

Insights:

🌟 When I consume 1,984 calories a day for 5 days I gain weight
🌟 When I consume 955 calories a day for 10 days I lose weight
🌟 When I consume 147 carbs a day for 5 days I gain weight
🌟 When I consume 22 carbs a day for 10 days I lose weight

Analysis:

🌟 It would SEEM as if when I double my calories I will gain weight (quickly!) However, we have to assume my weight maintenance is NOT 900 calories (because I lose weight at those calories) so it has to be higher. According to: https://www.cnpp.usda.gov/sites/default/files/usda_food_patterns/EstimatedCalorieNeedsPerDayTable.pdf a 50 year old ‘sedentary’ man burns 1800 calories a day. So 100 EXTRA calories a day will cause me to gain 10lbs in 5 days?? This is where I have to just say that this makes no sense to me. The numbers do not add up.
🌟 However, if I LOSE weight on 22 carbs a day, we can assume that my maintenance is 40 carbs a day. If I then consume 147 carbs a day I am increasing my carbs over my maintenance level by 3.6 times! This would cause my body to produce a MAGNITUDE more insulin and move more glycogen into my cells. Each gram of glycogen stored requires 3-4 grams of water so the majority of this weight gain is this ‘water weight’ not fat, but there *is* fat also being stored by the insulin.

Conclusion:

This is why I feel insulin, controlled by the amount of carbs I consume, is the primary factor for my weight gain or loss.

Diet Calendar Entries for 29 September 2018:
1330 kcal Fat: 89.00g | Prot: 86.00g | Carb: 44.00g.   Breakfast: Quest Vanilla Milkshake Protein Powder, Land O'Lakes Heavy Whipping Cream. Dinner: Hillshire Farm Polska Kielbasa, Wegmans Zucchini Noodles. Snacks/Other: Just the Cheese Grilled Cheese Crunchy Baked Cheese, Quest Oatmeal Raisin Protein Cookie, Quest Vanilla Milkshake Protein Powder, Land O'Lakes Heavy Whipping Cream. more...
2416 kcal Activities & Exercise: Running (jogging) - 5/mph - 1 hour, Resting - 15 hours, Sleeping - 8 hours. more...

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Adefwebserver, naps to you for doing your research and writing it all out! It was definitely worth reading and learning. Makes me motivated to learn more about me. and snaps to everyone else who read the entire thing!!! It was good! 
29 Sep 18 by member: M S G
I have been treated for diabetes on and off 10+ years with each pregnancy and after my kids were born. Ive had 3 beautiful boys and 4 looses in between pregnancies. I totally understand the concern for the carb intake! It had taken me over a year to get most of my weight off! The last 6 months i have really repelled carbs as much as i can with out driving myself insane! And for me it works to avoid them and little by little i have dropped my weight. Now if you look at my timeline there were months with no change thats also because the insulin was really messing me up. (My experience) i was feeding the insulin i was prescribed working out 3/4 times a week with absolutely no change. So yes i do agree in my case CARBS are f*****g EVIL and have cause havoc on my health. My Doctor has really monitored me closely A1C every 30 days becase I refused to keep taking it( mind you that my levels were close enough after the baby to take me off of it i just did it 6 months prior to there plans) my cholesterol good and bad are with in margin! My A1C is at 5.4 now. So yes i do eat carbs I just avoid them in a daily basis and it has worked for me. 
29 Sep 18 by member: Mabels Progress
Impressed by the data you got, and your analysis. Sounds like a solid foundation that has a sustainable wiggle room. 
29 Sep 18 by member: Diddlee
My husband the uber geek! Proving carbs are the devil to all mankind :) Love you baby! 
29 Sep 18 by member: princessvalerie
I agree completely! 
29 Sep 18 by member: momma6224
I crown🤴🏽you king Virgo. Love that data!! And I second what Princess Valorie said 🍞=👹 
30 Sep 18 by member: CrashtestDawnie
Mabel, your phrase, "feeding the insulin" really resonates for me. I have a friend who is Type ! and he is constantly balancing insulin vs food. He takes too insulin, then eats carbs to counteract it. I had A1c above normal last summer, which drove me to do weight loss and then keto to maintain. I lost 30 lbs and have kept it off for a year. 
01 Oct 18 by member: gz9gjg
G29gjg I’m glad you found a system that works for you! Not everyone reacts the same to insulin resistant! With the research I have done for myself. I’m sure i would have stayed a diabetic wayyyyyy longer if i followed there guidelines 🤯😡 
01 Oct 18 by member: Mabels Progress
I'm glad it works for you mate, it's not something bi could get onboard with or recommend to anyone as I personally don't think it's a healthy/sustainable method but your results are definitely very well documented and I appreciate that! 
01 Oct 18 by member: keith george cooke
carbs are not an evil thing hahaha people need good amounts of ALL the macro nutrients. protein carbs and fats. I will never advocate eliminating one entirely whether it be fat or carbs... luckily no one has started a trendy no protein diet but I'm sure it will get it's 5 mins of fame at some stage lol 
01 Oct 18 by member: keith george cooke
👍 
02 Oct 18 by member: jacshadow
I will disagree with you, Keith - There are essential fats, and essential proteins (amino acids), but NO essential carbs. Micro nutrients from carbs can be obtained in supplements. Carbs are not evil, but some of us, notably diabetics, need to restrict them or take medications such as metformin and or insulin. 
02 Oct 18 by member: gz9gjg
Y'all are saying interesting things but there are a few things that need clarification. All people are different and have different diets. Whether your diabetic, lactose intolerant, suffering from ketosis whatever, they all need different amounts of different things. It is impossible to completely cut out a specific nutrient from your diet because almost every food contains a bit of each nutrient. The word "essential" when talking nutrition means that your body cannot make it. Carbohydrates, protein, and triglycerides are not essential because the body can make them. They are important and required but essential means something else. Carbohydrates are a macronutrient. It is not a micronutrient. Micronutrients are only vitamins and minerals. Sorry guys, just being a nutrition geek over here! Haha 
02 Oct 18 by member: M S G
I never used the word essential hahahaha 
02 Oct 18 by member: keith george cooke
nope you did not say essential, but to people who have terrible cravings when they eat carbs they are something that some need to totally curtail or limit to varying levels. that is different with everyone.  
02 Oct 18 by member: baskington
To each their own, I'm not one to say what others should do. But I'm firm on that I would never recommend this style of dietary plan. I am probably wrong but the long term effects of not eating solid food, extended fasting, under 10g of carbs a day seriously worries me. Just goes against the grain. But again good on anyone who has the will power. I don't want to start anything it's just alot of people see fat secret and might be influenced, I think it's fair that their is discussion. I'm very open to anyone who thinks anything I do might have a negative impact on anyone who reads my posts. For instance I know I am prone to what people would call over training and I wouldn't recommend anyone starting a fitness plan try to copy my routine at all. 
02 Oct 18 by member: keith george cooke
Yes Keith, you did not say essential - I did. I know carbs are macro nutrients; my point was, they contain micro nutrients that we need, but can get from other sources. We do make protein, but we can't make some amino acids so need to get those from food. I eat a ketogenic diet with mostly whole foods; fasting isn't my thing. Like Adef, I am insulin resistant and need to either take meds to control my blood sugar OR restrict my carbs. I prefer the latter. I wouldn't push my WOE on anyone, but eating this way has reversed my Type 2 diabetes and I like that. 
02 Oct 18 by member: gz9gjg
I'm not sure what WOE is 
02 Oct 18 by member: keith george cooke
I've got T2D and eating more that 200g of carbs, maintaing weight without issues. Blood glugose is well under control  
02 Oct 18 by member: dimavs
Props to dimavs👌 Cheers Chris👍 
02 Oct 18 by member: keith george cooke

     
 

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