mskestrela's Journal, 18 June 2016

I get all that you said, Debra, and I think his research is sound. But it still begs the question of why he permitted the unrestrained snacking in his own child, if what he knew contraindicated it. How can you be "sure that he has gently veered his children off of the path of high sugar and refined carbs and frequent snacking." When he said it in the videos, he was talking real time. I have learned to question everything I see, hear and read on the net. Just because someone posts something, and it sounds convincing, doesn't mean it's true. I research, look for data, and form my own opinion. I'm convinced that LCHF and IF are a valid life path for me, with my genetics and history. I do, however, take his advice with a grain of salt, considering what he said about his own child. 

I agree, Debra, we weren't built to have good readily available thus our abilities to store and burn body fat. At the same time, I don't believe we were built to consume man-made foods that have presently become available, no matter how thin some can stay while consuming it. Their ability to consume it and stay thin doesn't mean that it is healthy to do, only that their bodies more than likely hasn't lost it's ability to fight the "poison" YET. Now... if we are just talking weight loss and one only cares about maintaining a healthy LOOK, then yea they should eat whatever to reach their goals. I also don't believe we we're built to eat fruit in excess. Today's fruit has been so genetically modified that it's not fruit anymore, it's fucktose. Have you ever seen/eaten a wild plum, blackberry, blueberry, strawberry, etc. All wild, completely natural fruit is very small and bitter compared to man engineered fruit. 

@mskestrela... I'm so proud of you for doing your own research, and forming your own opinion. I've listened to many, many talks, read much research, etc over the last 3 years. I do not to follow anyone person's plan, do but have pulled a little from several different people. 

Gosh, that's full of typos! Blame phone! Hail to the emojis! 😂 

Speaking of Dr. Fung, I really enjoyed this short presentation on why we plataeu or even gain when only counting calories in/out. http://www.dietdoctor.com/member/presentations/fung-vail-2 

I'm not as bothered by the stories about his little boy. My grandkids were given bomb pops, ice cream, and goldfish at their school. I'm more concerned by what they are fed at home, since that will inform their long term dietary habits. I'm hopeful their diets at home will improve. I'm not prepared to defend anyone, and your caution reminds me to respect the fact everyone has their own journey, their own way of processing information, and their own b.s. meter.  

As for fruit, I believe the correct term is selective breeding and hybridization. The only genetically modified fruits coming to market that I know of are the Arctic Apple and vaccine bananas. Genetically modified foods were created in a lab by inserting portions of DNA from one life form directly into the cells of the target lifeform. 

GMO papayas are grown all over. 

@Lady... https://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2014/06/19/how-your-food-would-look-if-not-genetically-modified-over-millennia/ 

@Lady... couldn't get the entire link to post, so I made it a journal entry. 

I forgot about the papayas. You are right. Monsanto has a huge set up in Hawaii, testing all manner of GMO crops, including sugar cane and rice. My Iamalwaysrightitis flared up again, Caterpillar2butterfly 😳. Your point is well made. Agriculture has skewed our diets toward bigger and sweeter. The loss of biodiversity is stunning and scary.  

I guess I look at it from my own point of view and experience with trying to change a child's diet in school. My hubby's son John was sent to us when he was 10 years old, his mother had reached a point where she could no longer control him so packed him off to live with Dad. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and he arrived with a toxic stew of medications, an attitude and a mouthful of rotted teeth. He was 10 years old and still wet the bed and had been held back two grades in a row so at age ten he was in the 3rd grade. The first thing I did was ween him off the meds, he had something to wake him up in the mornings and something to calm him during the day, then something to make him sleep at night, I can't even remember what they all were, they were bad though. I worked with the special needs coordinator at the school and I asked that they not allow him to have any sugar. None at all. He was given a half a cup of black coffee in the mornings and some scrambled eggs. I had to go to the school repeatedly because every time John would get in trouble at school it was after lunch and it could always be traced back to dessert and chocolate milk. Either they would forget to remove it, or one of the other students would feel sorry for him and give him theirs. It took over two years for John to see the progress he was making and begin to actively monitor his own diet, I had to repeat and reinforce and explain my theory to him and his teachers over and over. The restriction of sugar included fruit and all foods containing sugar, the biggest hurdle to overcome was his addiction to candy bars, on more than one occasion when he first came to us I caught him shoplifting candy bars when he would go with me to the store. Seven years with us using diet to control his condition was successful, he was put back into mainstream classes, advanced two grades in a three year period and began high school with his own age group. That is where we lost him. The drug and alcohol abuse by high school students is rampant, peer pressure, skipping school and petty larceny soon ballooned into a true crime spree where he and his girlfriend robbed two houses, ours and her parents, stole a vehicle and headed for Texas. He was caught and given back to his mother despite all of our attempts to bring him home. Right now he is in prison serving a 10 year sentence for grand larceny and kidnapping. I guess the point I am trying to make is that even when a parent has a specific and urgent need to have a certain diet for a child in school it is somewhat akin to beating your head against a brick wall when fighting what is considered dietary norms. 

It's appalling how sugar restriction is not mainstream, and drugging children is. Your stepson's story is heartbreaking.  

Even the stuff we grow at home, purchased plants and seeds from stores have this little hiccup! 

We need to start eating weeds. 

Before they cultivate them! 

I know right? 

Debra, that is a heartbreaking story, and very much like my own stepson's. Lady, I actually did harvest dandelions this spring in my back yard! I know for a fact that nothing has been sprayed on my property, so they are natural and organic. :) The greens are wonderful in salads or sauteed, and the flowers make tasty infused vinegar. I buy heirloom seeds for my garden. C2B, you make me smile! I'm a glutton for information, and research is candy for me. I've learned to listen to my body, and am slowly building a plan that I will stick to for life. I will try anything that makes sense to me, but if it doesn't settle well in my body, it's out. I believe that we came into these bodies to explore this 3-D reality and to have fun doing it. I want to feel as good as I can for as long as I can. 

Yep! I went on a trip to Mexico (not going to say vacation, bc it was farrrr from a vacation!) last year to meet the in laws. It was SOOOO AWESOME (but hard I felt what hardship really felt like at the same time)! When we needed herbs, we went for a walk and pulled up some Rosemary, peppercorn, etc. We gathered cactus plants for food, ground non-gmo corn off the cob & made tortillas, killed our own hog & chickens for supper, cooked outside with a big ole pot with a particular type of wood...etc. It was such a cool, humbling experience!  

I agree, Debra! My middle child has ADHD, and my youngest autism & ADHD. It is really hard to keep things like that away from them (esp the fruit), but I notice a big difference when I do. They have meds like that too, but I don't give it to them. They get coconut oil & coffee every morning.