kingkeld's Journal, 21 March 2012

I'm finally under 80 again, and WELL under! Today, much to my surprise, my weight is 78.4 kgs - that's 1.6 kgs (3+ lbs!) off since yesterday. This of course just confirms that it's not fat that I'm gaining and losing, but simply fluctuation - water, food processing, etc.

It'd be so nice if we could simply NOT have those fluctuations - they make the micro management of this whole journey so much more complicated, but the key is really to disregard them and look at the bigger picture. Take a look at your general weight history, without looking into every single weigh-in. Are you moving towards your goal? If not, why not? What could be done to get you moving again? I think that we all - deep down - know what we're doing wrong. It's a matter of changing those often smaller things that makes it tip from gaining or maintaining weight to actually losing weight.

I think this has been a revelation for many of us to discover, including myself. For those who have not discovered this - trust me, you will. It's what it's all about. It's what makes us gain and lose weight. That simple balance of things, that other people just naturally do. We can learn to do this too, but it takes more effort sometimes, and it takes that we try to learn and understand. However, I do believe that most of us (by FAR most of us) are not in any way different from other people, and that we can lose our weight. Sure, there are people with medical conditions etc, but I do think it's fairly unusual. Most of us are simply big because we don't eat the way we're supposed to.

I do think that the logic behind weight loss essentially is simple. Eat less than you burn, and you will lose weight. There. Said.

Now, there CAN be a lot more to it.

If you simply eat less than what you burn, you WILL lose weight. However, if you want to lose weight more efficiently, then you can look into how big a calorie deficit you should do in order to optimize your weight loss. You can look into the right amounts of fat, protein, carbs. You can look into exercising.

To me, this is the icing on the cake. You can lose weight by keeping it simple, if you're not in any hurry, or you can make it a science and really go with it.

Personally, I chose making the simple journey my science. I have worked hard on optimizing the simple and efficient approach, and for me it has really worked. For me, it has NOT paid off to eat too little, but paid off much more to eat in the right zone.

Let me tell you about a friend of mine. My friend is a big guy - somewhat bigger than even when I started this journey. He is going for gastric bypass surgery, and has now qualified for it by losing his first kgs. He's done great, but he has struggled getting there because a dietitian has given him a health plan with meals to follow. He's eating 1200 calories per day. And he stopped losing weight, and was frustrated because nothing was happening.

I didn't really want to do much, as this is doctor approved and I didn't want to mess up him qualifying for his surgery. This is important to him, and there is no chance I want to risk taking that away from him, or delaying him to a point where he doesn't meet his deadlines.

Anyways, he stopped losing weight, and I was sure that he's simply starving himself, and came to a halt because of that.

He came to visit Saturday, 11 days ago. We had a good talk about it all, and I introduced him to my Indulgence Diet. We did the numbers.

He had to eat a staggering 5700 calories that first day! The following days up to 2700 calories. Coming from 1200 calories per day, this is like a walk in the park. Actually, he didn't even come close to the 5700, even went to have a large milk shake just to down more calories.

The result? Well, he went to the doctor yesterday, and the last 10 days he lost 7 kgs (15 lbs)!!!

It's amazing how we can kick our bodies into gear like that.

So, again, I see my system working. I'm really happy that I got to help him out, and got him going. He's gonna stick to my plan along with consulting the doctor, and let the dietitian know next time he goes there.

I can't believe they'd let a guy his size try to live off 1200 calories. Clearly, the dietitian is not a member of the FatSecret community. :)

Rockin' with the kids went great. I had a talk with them about the concert. First of all, the concert has been moved another month away. The kids who are arranging it apparently don't have their act together, and are way behind schedule. So we just have to follow suit. Now, that doesn't give us more practice time together, though. We stop when we reach easter. That's the end of the season. However, I did manage to arrange that we can meet on the weekend before the concert and really catch up and arrange everything, so it's fresh in everyone's memory. That should do it, I think. They're still all excited to do this, and after yesterday's playing I think they'll do just fine.

Today is another good day at work, I think. I have catch-up day again, with a meeting thrown in in the afternoon. This is a class/group meeting, and it's gonna be nice to have, I think. I'm looking forward to it.

I started the day early. I woke up at 3 am, all awake. Not the frustrated "Aw, damn it, I can't frickin' sleep" kind of awake, but much more the "I should just get up and get on the bik" kind of awake. So I got up, spent a full hour on the bike before Wife got out of bed, and I have it done and over with. Nice. I am so ready for the day to begin. I will go in one hour early again (3rd time this week) and save up comp time. Also, it will give me another hour to work. :)

Today I am thankful for:
- Waking up early to exercise.
- My friend's AMAZING results, and that I was able to help him. Nice!
- A relaxed day at home after work today. I feel that it will be most welcome.
- Wife for being awesome as always.

Happy hump day, folks! The River is on tonight. Looking forward to seeing what Emmet's up to. :) Life is good!
172.8 lb Lost so far: 168.9 lb.    Still to go: 0 lb.    Diet followed 100%.

Diet Calendar Entries for 21 March 2012:
1509 kcal Fat: 65.44g | Prot: 91.54g | Carb: 149.22g.   Breakfast: Rye Bread, Sliced Ham (Extra Lean), Egg. Lunch: Lettuce Salad with Assorted Vegetables, Egg Omelet, Chicken (Skin Not Eaten), Butter, Olive Oil. Dinner: Beef Steak, Mixed Vegetables (Solids and Liquids, Canned). Snacks/Other: Apples, Mixed Fruit, Whole Milk, cookie, Guldbarre. more...
3440 kcal Activities & Exercise: Bicycling (moderate) - 13/mph - 1 hour, Standing - 7 hours, Walking (moderate) - 3/mph - 20 minutes, Sleeping - 7 hours, Sitting - 6 hours and 10 minutes, Desk Work - 2 hours and 30 minutes. more...
on diet kingkeld's own diet   losing 24.7 lb a week


Morning Keld, I found your journal so interesting from the beginning that I stopped short at the " rocking with the kids" in fact I obliterated my comment on completion so am writing it tor a second time. I think the medical proffesion must stick to guidelines set in stone as anyone with the aim of weight loss and well being plus adjusting the body slowly to keep the weight off, with common sense, would not expect a large man to live an everyday life on 1200 calories. I agree with you, they are starving him so why have they considered the view that if you eat too little, as you suggest, the body will go into starvation mode, thinking there is going to be a famine so clings onto the weight sor survival. 
21 Mar 12 by member: sazy
hear hear, again a great journal, keld. thank you for that! sometimes it is just easier to say "i'm fat because it is genetic" than to confess, that you eat too much and unhealthy. since i'm on fatsecret, i look not only on my food intake, also on those of my friends and collegues. and sometimes you know exactly, why a person is the way she is. just because it is 10am and she had already eaten (and drunk!) more than 1'000 calories... wish you a great day! 
21 Mar 12 by member: joelae
I am doing my comment in bits and have resorted to my computer as i have lost the message again on my phone. Perhaps the medical proffession have to look on it to fit in with there schedule for operations rather than overall general well being. Anyway i admire your restraint ( a lesson i can learn from you) then just when he needed it you were there to offer options and possibilities. I realise i may have been on an indulgence day weight loss without realisind except not doing it in a clever calculated way. You have triggered a lot of thoughts thank you. Life is good. Have a great day. Would "INDULGENCE DAY" be too simple as a contender for the title of your mentally stored book ????? x x regards to family 
21 Mar 12 by member: sazy
Sazy - I appreciate your input - even if it is in little pieces. :) I think that if I end up doing a book, then the Indulgence Diet would definitely be part of it. I'd probably spend quite some time talking about this journey, too. It all goes hand in hand. Besides, Indulgence Diet is so simple - how many pages can I really write about it? That's the beauty of it - it's NOT rocket science. :) 
21 Mar 12 by member: kingkeld
Oh i dont know about it not being rocket science. You have been doing a pretty good impression of rocket science. Suffice to say I loved your journal it struck a big chord, it was literally word perfect from start to finish. Loved it so much fishy find out anymore about the kids, too busy working in the garden and pondering your words today, it could be turning another corner for me. I love the fact your book will be about your observations, experimentación, deductions and "journey through your journals" I am glad your book will take that format . What a delight. I think just your op out of the way now, that experience will be book two? There was a programme on t. V. Last year which revealed the difficulty between your our way of weight loss and gastric bypass. Some people who have had gastric bypass liquidise steak pies ect, so big discussion to be had there 
21 Mar 12 by member: sazy
LOL, Sazy - you have VERY high expectations of me. :) I'm not sure I can live up to that. I think that - as much as it becomes science to do things right after a while - the beauty of losing weight "our" way is that it IS simple. It IS accomplishable. It IS something that can be fit into every day life. And that is the key to success. If you have too many factors to consider, then it's all gonna turn on you eventually, and you're gonna fail. Keep it simple. Every day.  
21 Mar 12 by member: kingkeld
WEll buddy. it may not be rocket science but your way has really worked for you..and it seems for your friend too..Maybe he won't go through the surgery if he knows he can do this with out it..and save a surgery for like the one your having..I am really scared for those that have that gastric sister the nurse says its a very dangerous thing to do and also unless you eat right you can gain it all back..and the surgery can't be reversed..Love your gratefuls..:O) 
21 Mar 12 by member: BHA
OMG... What are these dieticians trying to do to your friend!?!?!? It will be interesting for you to track his progress. What a shame he is going down the surgical route, it could be, that your style of eating may suit him and he may loose weight the 'natural' way. It would concern me, that after eating well and sensibly - after surgery, he will only be able to eat a saucer full of food. Just as a thought - maybe that's why they put people on such a low calorie diet - because after surgery, the will not be able to consume large portions. If he carries on loosing - maybe you can speak to him about doing it naturally - surgery seems such a drastic step - one that is not reversible. 
21 Mar 12 by member: Sk1nnyfuture
SkInny, I have had the same thoughts myself, if this is the "real" reason behind 1200 calories. I do however see that he needs a break. I know he'll talk to his dietitian about it. I don't think he's interested in going "our way", when it comes to skipping surgery though. I know he has his heart set, and he knows several who's had great success with it. In my line of work, I see successful people too. I think there are people for it and people against it, it's very much a preference kinda thing. Personally, I'd never ever opt for it, but if it's right for you then it's right for you - more or less. I think the important thing is for these people to realize that it's not a tool to just fix the problem. It's a tool to recalibrate yourself and learn to do right. There is no easy way to lose weight - not through surgery either. Actually, I think it must be harder doing it through surgery.  
21 Mar 12 by member: kingkeld
I am glad I took the time to read your journal this morning. It gave me hope. And reminded me that having super low calories is not necessarily the answer to kicking my metabolism back into submission!!! I need to get back on my indulgence plan. It was working well. And then I vacationed. Thanks for lifting my spirits today.  
21 Mar 12 by member: madaboutmoose
OK, Keld, My Dr. has put me on 1200-1400 calories per day. I was loosing weight GREAT for the first 30 lbs. For 3 YES THREE weeks I have been stuck. I tried an indulgence day and had 1600 calories (guess not much of an indulgence day looking at your calories) did nothing, Not up or down. I have been between 217.0 and 218.2. NOw when I hit my goal weight I would love to have consistancy like that but I am just getting frustrated being stuck. What do you recomend? I have tried the Dr's way and it is not working..  
21 Mar 12 by member: wichitaks
Wichitaks, a 1600 calorie Indulgence Day will do nothing! Especially your first Indulgence Day will have to be a head on, full blast feast to REALLY show your body that there is plenty of food. Read the info on my bio page, and take it from there. Send me a message if you have any questions. Don't be surprised to learn that it's a HIGH number of calories, and please DO expect an initial weight gain (and a weight gain every week for a few days). Don't worry, the weight will come off again, and more, every week. That's what I see all the time. :) 
21 Mar 12 by member: kingkeld
You know what Keld, your story about you helping out your friend really makes me angry! Not about your helping, but about the bad advice he was given. Why do we put our trust into doctors and dietitians that completely F-up our bodies????? Where are these people getting their education? Why is our medical community failing us so badly? And the ones who actually get it right are treated like freaks or radicals. It is so frustrating! I'm really glad you were able to help your friend. Surgery or not, he'll be much better off.  
21 Mar 12 by member: tglenna
As for dietitians messing us up...IMHO, I'm guessing they are more trained to deal with "regular" people, and have no idea how to really address the needs of the seriously overweight folks. Because a 1200 calorie a day diet is low, yes, but not a starvation diet for someone who only needs to lose 20 pounds, know what I mean? So, maybe it's not necessarily the dietitian or doctor's fault...I don't know if there is special training beyond what they get, but there certainly SHOULD be. 
21 Mar 12 by member: Baxie
Wow, Keld. Crazy story about your friend. I'm surprised that he's still interested in the surgery after chatting it up with you. Sounds crazy to put him on a 1200 calorie diet but best of luck to your friend. And congrats to you for the 78.4kg number. 
21 Mar 12 by member: Helewis
I dont think it is ever a good idea to starve yourself...that probably messes-up hormones we dont even know about yet. 
21 Mar 12 by member: Carolyn Ray


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