Sugar Waffle's Journal, 16 December 2015

FGJ, thanks for your resources! 

You're more than welcome :) 

Some people metabolize sugar better than others, Ceekaye, that's why you can take a group of people and feed them the exact same diet and some will be thin, some will be fat, and some will be "normal", and that's certainly "different".  

I agree with both Phil and Ceekaye at the same time. The reason being that just because someone is skinny on the outside doesn't mean that their liver isn't fatty, or mean that they won't develop type 2 diabetes. Skinny doesn't equal healthy. 

Effects of fructose, even from fruit http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/10/29/obesity-fructose.aspx 

"Your body CAN shift over and stuff fat into that primarily energy economy if that is what it is given (or you are starving), but it is not our primary operating mode (glucose, glycogen, blood sugar). When you run out of glucose/glycogen your body naturally starts metabolizing fat. This is why the Atkins-type diets are so effective short term. They mimic starvation mode. When this fat is gone (and we’ll see sometime before) the body can metabolize protein (your muscle). These are the phases of starvation. Deplete short term energy, move to long term, and then go into complete survival to “protect the brain and organs” and sacrifice the arms, lets, etc.. Not too unlike what we learned about getting cold – stop flowing blood to the extremities and protect the core. Under a NORMAL diet, we get alarmed when excess ketones (byproducts of this fat metabolism) show up in urine. ketogenesis is the result of going into a fat-based economy and often looking for ketones in the urine is a sign that you have switched over. As the two of the main ketone groups, acetoacetate and beta-hydroxybutyrate, are very acidic, blood pH can drop, which results in ketoacidosis. The other ketone formed is acetone – fingernail polish remover, well, before they removed it because it was unhealthy. All in all, these byproducts are a natural part of Fat metabolism. You have to go through this process to shed those love handles. I think doing it like I did in yo-yo dieting probably has a very unhealthy effect – I just don’t like the idea of acetone running through my system. This is one of the issues that is unresolved in eating – is long term ketosis detrimental to health? It seems to me that living in this mode is not healthy long term even though short term it is VERY effective in losing body fat. I think the positive longevity benefits associated with caloric restriction are from nutrient dense, calorically poor diets. While on the surface these two forms of “starvation” may share a common name, it’s likely the outcome is very different. Just my speculation." Ray Cronise - Thermogenex --Fat Part 1 [URL: http://hypothermics.com/2011/11/fat-part-1/] 

Not only CAN a person's body shift from burning glucose to burning ketone bodies derived from fat, it DOES! And that's the whole point of a ketogenic diet and it's a perfectly healthy and normal state for a person's body to be in. It's only been in the last century with the proliferation of a refined and processed flour and sugar diet that the waist line of the average American has ballooned. Perhaps you're real agenda is in your Bio, Ceekaye, "No meat or dairy". Yeah, well good for you, glad it's working.  

Ceekaye... the reason that our bodies burn off glucose before it does fat is not because it is the preferred fuel, but the most dangerous. Just as it will burn off alcohol before it does carbs. Our bodies are very smart and have survival instincts to get rid of the most dangerous substances first. Next, there is a difference in nutritional ketosis and starvational ketosis. https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=optimal+ketosis+pic&view=detailv2&&id=183D5F34A2748D2A42AF481B5C4C25AE7CD9A161&selectedIndex=5&ccid=Cu4pqQn2&simid=607990511777811598&thid=OIP.M0aee29a909f6da3b8c00d96ee3e97a56H0&ajaxhist=0 The body does not metabolize protein (muscle) until you have reached 4% body fat, and does not do then if your fat consumption from the plate is sufficient. The brain actually prefers energy from fat. That is why LCHF is now thought to be preventive and treatment of Alzheimer's, ADHD, bipolor, anxiety, depression, etc. http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/alzheimers-disease-mary-t-newport/1104528964?ean=9781591206248 Define NORMAL diet. I think that would include being carb restricted and fasting the way our ancestors did. Something that people have done over the past few decades or even a hundred years may make it common, but not normal.  

I have Hashimoto's and all my lab values always have responded well while I was doing the LCHF. It has a lot (for me) to do with the fact I drop weight when I'm being consistent with it. With a lower weight, I tend to need different doses of the med I'm on or go much more hyperthyroid, which my doc doesn't like. 

As a NORMAL person's body has a natural ability to switch back and forth from carb burning and fat burning mode easily, someone who has damaged their bodies by consuming too many NORMAL and processed carbs need ketosis to reach that state. We are metabolically broken. I am very happy for you if you are not. 

Also the few parts of our bodies that do require glucose can be obtained from gluconeogenesis. Please do a little research. http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/gluconeogenesis 

Not to mention, as mahjohn has touched on in at least one of his posts, is that the body doesn't really run off glucose, fat, carbs, or protein, the body runs exclusively off of ATP, something we all learn in high school biology.  

More sites for research http://www.dietdoctor.com/ http://www.artandscienceoflowcarb.com/ http://www.total-health-fitness.com/blog/tim-noakes-diet http://www.drjaywortman.com/ http://www.dietdoctor.com/member/courses/fung-fasting#1 http://www.dietdoctor.com/member/presentations/childers I could go on & on.  

Even Atkins didn't recommend going forever without a diet with fruits & veggies (good carbs). He said slowly phase them back in. Good grief, just for basic fiber, you know? 

Atkins left adding back "good carbs" optional, as in finding the right amount for you. Some maybe able to add some back, others may not. Insulin resistant, diabetics, and carb addicts should not add ANY carbs back. Have you ever met a cocaine addict that could have just a little cocaine without falling over board? Carb addition is real! www.dietdoctor.com There is plenty of fiber in the foods allowed on the ketogenic diet. 

There's nothing good about the carbs in fruit, mostly fructose and that's no better than sucrose.  

Phil, I am sure you know that fructose is arguably worse than table sugar because it is sent straight to the liver where it turns into fat causing a fatty liver. 

I am aware of that, Jenny, so yeah, I need to edit my comment above, "fructose is worse than sucrose". I adore people with fortunate metabolisms, it keeps them such delicate flowers.  

Me too, Phil, but it's blatantly obvious that I'm not one of them. Hey, that might be a good thing though. At least I know that I will get rid of my fatty liver first. Thin people that have never had to research may live a life time with liver problems (amongst other things), and not even know it until it's too late.  

I not sure that a low carb diet affects the thyroid. I have off and on ed on low carb since Dr Atkins wrote his first book that I knew about in 1972. I do have a thyroid condition and take Levothyroxian daily. very low dose and thyroid is elevated just a slight bit. I don't seem to have a problem up or down when I diet.