-Diablo's Journal, 23 July 2021

Eat More to Lose More | Nutrition Myths

1.) The Claim

•1.) If you diet too hard for too long, your metabolism begins to slow

•2.) Further decreases in food make you lose no more weight or can make you GAIN weight!

•3.) Eating MORE, not LESS, can make you LOSE WEIGHT!

•4.) If you're a chronic dieter, increasing your calories can literally make you begin to lose weight

2.) Reasons it's WRONG

•1.) Why is starvation EVEN A THING THEN?!
•Would we expect folks in hunger-affected regions to have uncontrolled weight GAIN?!

•2.) Thermodynamic laws are REAL!
•You can't gain weight by eating less
•UNLESS other fishy things are going on...

3.) Now, Now: Grains of Truth

•1.) When you diet hard, your NEAT CAN GO DOWN
• But that usually just slows weight loss
•GAINING from reduced NEAT without increasing calories is CRAZY RARE

•2.) Hormones can alter water dynamics
•Increased water intake during hypo diet
•Increased salt cravings hold water in
•This makes your weight stable or go up, though you're STILL LOSING tissue

•3.) RADICAL hunger can ensue
• Which means you can easily eat way more calories than you think you're eating
• Often coupled with "but I've been good on my diet, except weekends."

4.) Best Practices

•1.) Don't slash your calories like crazy
•Aim for a 500-1000kcal deficit per day via reduced cals AND increased activity

•2.) Don't diet for longer than 12 weeks at a time
•Or more than about 10% bodyweight at a time
•Take a 2/3 to 1.5x length maintenance phase after each diet, before the next one

•3.) Track your activity
• A step counter watch goes a long way to prevent NEAT loss

•4.) If you're prone to water balance issues:
• Keep stress low and sleep high
• Standardize your salt intake, and water intake to some extent

•5.) Be PATIENT with the scale
•Weight can stall for 2 weeks, then due to water balance, fall by 4lbs and stay down!
• Just stick to that plan and you're GUCCI... you won't retain your weight at a 1000kcal defict, I PROMISE

-Dr. Mike Israetel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5CdVcKp5VE

Diet Calendar Entry for 23 July 2021:
2476 kcal Fat: 77.22g | Prot: 191.29g | Carb: 312.14g.   Breakfast: Apples, Quest Cookies & Cream Protein Bar, Strawberries , Stone Ridge Creamery Caramel Cookie Crunch Smart Pint, Dannon Light & Fit Greek Yogurt - Vanilla (170g). Lunch: Blueberries, Chobani Vanilla Greek Yogurt, Quest Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough Protein Bar, Sugared or Glazed Doughnuts, Chocolate Covered Doughnut (Raised or Yeast), Gatorade Vanilla Super Shake. Dinner: Ole Extreme Wellness Spinach & Herbs Tortilla Wraps, Ole Extreme Wellness High Fiber Low Carb Tortillas, Skinless Chicken Breast, Custard Filled Doughnut with Icing, Custard Filled Doughnut. more...

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I see advice from people to eat more to lose more pretty often still so I thought this was a good topic to cover. Also some pretty good advice on how to diet and an explanation on why stalls occur. 
23 Jul 21 by member: -Diablo
I love this. It’s all about common sense, no? I was really getting tired of hearing “eat more to lose more” crap. Thank you for the post. 
23 Jul 21 by member: yfritz
You're welcome, yfritz. And yes, it should be once you realize we are all governed by the law of thermodynamics. But we are also human. We sometimes sabotage ourselves(dieting too hard, bingeing on the weekend, etc) and then our minds can play tricks on us. It still happens to me on occasion, I'll diet well for 4 days and not see a drop or even a gain on the scale but then the woosh happens. Still, it can play with you, if you know what I mean. 
23 Jul 21 by member: -Diablo
You're welcome, DFinch! I love it, it's a nice reminder for people who know all of this as well. 
23 Jul 21 by member: -Diablo
Good info.. when I was younger I tried the “eat more to lose more” crap, specifically the “diet cure” and it’s much of what got me so overweight before I found FS. Thanks for sharing 
23 Jul 21 by member: cindylynnwho
I have lost more by eating more (or jumpstarted a loss after a long plateau) because I was eating too little But I definitely didn't gain from it- ever. It just seemed slower or maybe eating more calories made me actually move more. IDK. I also was drinking way too much water and drowning myself daily like a moron. Do you think that's true- or am I making it up? I think it is true but years after the fact, I don't know if it is because my memory is for crap. I definitely remember getting the water under control and losing like 3 pounds.  
23 Jul 21 by member: davidsprincess
I needed this reminder today. Thanks so much! 
23 Jul 21 by member: larilyn
DP, my experience is very similar to yours. While it's absolutely true that you won't lose MORE fat by eating more/having less of calorie deficit, I find that when I try to restrict food a lot, I end up feeling weak, can't work out at my best, don't want to move, and end up expending less energy. Plus, water retention the stress created by a caloric deficit (not something you can actively control through relaxation techniques or sleep) affects people differently. I do see those whooshes after no scale change for days in a deficit, but I know that the winning formula for me has been a deficit of no more than 500 calories a day and being active.  
23 Jul 21 by member: LaughingChevre
I don't know, eating less than 1000 calories a day for weeks on end and barely moving sound like torture to me. Eat more, move more absolutely works for me. 
23 Jul 21 by member: LaughingChevre
DP, it's a combination of you moving less and retaining water from increases of cortisol. LC answered pretty thoroughly. You probably didn't have a step tracker back then to see for sure, but that has to be it. 
23 Jul 21 by member: -Diablo
I do 1000 cal a day . I stay steady with weight . I have thyroid issues . exercise daily 
23 Jul 21 by member: cstrutz
I know it's a myth to eat often to keep the metabolism humming, but in reality, it isn't a bad idea. It makes sense that it would give you all day energy spikes, plus it ensures optimal muscle protein synthesis if the meals include protein. We've gone full circle. :P 
23 Jul 21 by member: -Diablo
One thing I noticed tracking my intake, if I eat more than 50g of Carbs per day my weight loss stops ! Regardless of Calories. Next water, exercise and sleep in that order are big factors.  
23 Jul 21 by member: RobG7
Rob, that's just water if calories are equal. Each gram of carb binds 4 grams of water and you retain it as water/glycogen. Carbs are amazing and will help improve your body composition if you do resistance training. They are not inherently fattening. 
23 Jul 21 by member: -Diablo
It’s wise to shoot for a 500-1000 calorie deficit for all the reasons here. I lost the majority of my weight doing this over 12 months. Consistently lost 5+lbs every month. Only time I didn’t was when I ate/drank more and closed the calorie deficit. 
23 Jul 21 by member: love2educate
Completely agree. The only two reasons “eating more” helps me lose weight are A) transit time is slow and more fiber bulk is need. I will have a pineapple day by eating a whole fresh pineapple over a day and next day miracle. But that really isn’t fat loss it is just emptying the gut. B) right after a long work out to have solid meal helps recovery and support muscle growth. You don’t see the results on the scale in the week, but overtime keeps hungry from rebounding and therefore overeating. I am proof however that just eating more helps up your metabolism - nope or otherwise I would have a model figure. 
23 Jul 21 by member: SparkKG
lol @ Diablo - I love how we come full circle with many of these things. First, the myth that you need to "stoke" the metabolism and eat six times a day, with guys trying to put on muscle waking up in the middle of the night to eat tuna...then that's debunked (total calorie intake is what matters most), BUT now we know that protein about 4 times a day is probably optimal for LBM. 
23 Jul 21 by member: LaughingChevre
what is NEAT?  
23 Jul 21 by member: Asarver
The only diet for 12 weeks at a time is interesting too, because that's about how long I last before I give up. maybe I should try the maintaining inbetween! 
23 Jul 21 by member: Asarver
I think context also matters. I've seen people give that "eat more" advice when there are posts about someone doing 2 hours of cardio a day and eating 600-800 calories and not seeing movement on the scale. Whether or not they are accurately reporting intake or know how to calculate weekly averages and compare those are two issues, but I think that there the advice to eat a bit more WILL resolve the cortisol issues and give them the result/movement they are hoping for. I've yet to meet anyone who has maintained weight loss for 5+ years eating under 1000 calories a day and doing 2 hours of elliptical a day. People are inaccurate to call it "starvation mode" but they're trying to help people not do things that they almost certainly cannot maintain, and what good is weight loss if it's back in a few months? Good stuff. I think even Mike acknowledges the potential issues with chronic deficits as he does recommend not dragging them out longer than 12 weeks... 
23 Jul 21 by member: LaughingChevre

     
 

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