debrafrederick's Journal, 16 June 2016

If you have your carbs...end of day is best. I save mine for after gym workouts to increase the insulin response to aid in muscle repair and recovery. 

Mahjohn is using endocrinology correctly. Lol Manipulating the insulin response to AID in recovery. THIS is awesome. 

You know, I learn so much cool stuff here! More good to know stuff :)  

I get messages in my inbox, too, but so far no one has accused me of damaging my already broken metabolism. I say mix it up ... we were hunter gatherers once and went for days without food. It is the way we are made up ... we still survived. 

Einstein augmented the idea of insanity when he said “I have little patience with scientists who take a board of wood, look for its thinnest part, and drill a great many holes where drilling is easy.”. I guess it was the old school way of saying 'think outside the box' - or, stop doing research in the same pools of stale outdated research data,- or, get off the train, if you have some hint that it's not headed in the direction you want or need to go... Tweaking. 

Props to deb for switching things up, for trying something different. 

This is my plan Mom, keeping my body off balance, not letting it adjust, feeding it positivity. By my medical markers I am healthy and have no underlying conditions that would inhibit prolonged fasting so I am going to alternate weekly between 23 hours daily, 36-96 weekly and for feasting...every other week high carb spikes. It's a process. Staying inside dietary norms has not worked for me in the past. They left me tired, hungry and eventually...fatter, this is working and I feel great and the weight is coming off, so I have to be doing something right. 

Yes - we were, as humans, once intermittent eaters. Just like every other species - intermittent eaters. We have been led to think that we need to eat everyday, that yesterdays fuel was only for yesterday. And sadly, that this mornings fuel, breakfast, was only meant to last for 3 hours til lunch time.... 

Lol well I need to eat every day or the hunger brings about two of the lesser known elves named Stabby and Bitchy! I gave up IF as a service to those around me. I'm not nice when I'm hungry. Gawwwd bless anyone who can stick with it. It's not for everyone. 😜 

You have a great and valid point christine. We have become body trained, muscle memory and all, to "need" a certain level of calorie intake, a certain high dose of sugar/carb intake. And just like weening off of heroin, or going cold turkey off of booze - crabbiness and bitchyness - can rule the day. But just like we came to be addicted, we can learn and train to be un addicted. It aint always pretty but it is doable - and necessary. And our loved ones will put up with our demonic presentations if they know that it is part of a process of getting back to a better place, back to the best place. 

As have just about any of us who have ever been confined to an office space with someone who is quitting smoking!! Hello again changeling! :) Off to work! 

Starvation Mode, be sure to watch out for that Unicorn. lol  

Love this thread. May do this carb backloading thing as I'm on a strict, 25g net carbs a day or less, ketogenic diet right now. Sure would love to store those carbs in my muscles and not as fat! Gonna go to 5g or less until mid-afternoon or later. I sit on my ass all day at a desk and I'm got the cellulite to prove it! This will be a fun experiment. Thanks for the tips! Fasting isn't for me though. If I go 3 hours without something to eat/drink (food/shake), I start to get headaches and get stabby and bitchy too. Hah. But do your thing. Be safe. You seem to know what you are doing! 

Hi Deb, yes changling has changed again. 

good for you!!! do what feels right forYOU 

@paperdoll2003. Before you run off and pound nighttime carbs, lemme explain this better. We all know insulin responds to glucose spikes...removing it from the blood and storing in cells as fat. However, if you look at it simpler, insulin is just a taxi. Taking nutrients and pushing them into cells. After a heavy-weight workout...not cardio...weights. Muscles are primed for repair, the best way for them to repair and grow is to feed them amino acids, and protein. Amino's can be during workout with an Intra workout drink such as "eXtend" (my personal favorite), after workout go with a 50/50 mix of Whey Protein, and Casein Protein. Whey does have amino's that will trigger an insulin response, however, it is not a large spike and as a result you lose out on some of the benefits. By adding sugars to the equation, you can now get the spike of glucose and insulin response you want and get more nutrients into that taxi. Recovery will be shorter, muscles will be less sore the next day, if at all. So what type of carbs...the "dirtier" the better, no messing around here you want sugar and a good dose of it. I go for candy bars, chocolate, or some of the kids cookies with the candy bar. 

I like that. I eat my chocolate at night. That is great news! 

Muscles get repaired, become bigger if you want them to - by a process that has zero to do with eating amino acids and proteins. When you lift weights too much - meaning more than lifting your arm to wave goodbye, there is a resistance that is abnormal - but not necessarily abnormal in a bad way. The body makes its own proteins and amino acids when the region of tissue needs repairing and expanding to compliment the resistance it has been experiencing. And the fuel to do that is....sugar. Sugar is required to make our bodies make proteins which are only a part of a muscle and it's surrounds. It is not 'eat protein work out and get big muscles'. If you only ate protein, only ate amino acids - you would fall flat on your face and eventually die. And working out, without a carb, you will have little energy, fuel, to work out, so so much for that. At no time is chocolate good for anyone. We want it to be - so when we hear that chocolate and booze, and coffee and crack, and cigarettes are good for us, have some remote scant degree of beneficial medical plausibility- we latch on and sing hooray! ---------- A dangerous path and the most slippery of slopes. Learn to love berries. Say yay to pineapple. There will be arguments pro and con about "it doesn't matter for calorie types", with all manner of science equations and links and studies. You want, we all need as little sugar in our bodies as possible. We are already a lean mean glucose making machine - we don't need to add to that and thus, tip the SCALES (pun intended) of being over weight, and flirting with diabetes. 

As for proteins - protein and amino acids supplements - or from food, what I am saying is, there is no way in the history of chemistry and biology that an amino acid siiting in a jar, then making it's way to you shake, then down your hatch - is going to end up in your bicep. Just not gonna happen - has never happened, has never been witnessed in any lab on this planet. And here's the thing, we can tag and track amino acids and proteins, like we tag and track sharks around the world. Never once has science study tagged and tracked a protein or amino acid from the outside the body, put it in the body and found in ended up in a tricep. 

I guess til I die, I'm goung to continue to try and teach people that a molecule, most molecules, most food molecules, especially proteins are not hockey pucks and can not withstand so much criteria - such as light, oxygen, heat, hydrocloric acid, vinegar, lemon juice etc. etc. etc. Or again, as I have said so often - just ask a Diabetic, appropriately enough, just what type of care is required with the protein molecules (insulin) they need to, not eat, not cook, not leave out in daylight and oxygen - but "protect til injected" - and then get a new batch after 28 days or so.