delede's Journal, 19 July 2016

High Fat and Insulin Levels: Effect or No Effect?

Diabetes is a fact of life in my family. While a couple of my relatives were born with Type I, a far more significant number have developed Type II. All four of my grandparents and both of my parents had Type II diabetes. The only one still alive is my mother who at 75 years of age evidently recovered from the illness about 10 years ago. She changed her diet radically to include lots of vegetables, and small servings of anything else. She did not give up her evening drink (I don't think anyone can get that away from her, LOL), but she uses no sugar or sugar substitute.

The reason why I share this information is because a statement I read a couple of weeks ago keeps niggling in my mind. The statement is that eating fat does not cause an insulin response. I had been reading up on diabetic meal planning since my diagnosis, and saw several articles that cautioned against too much fat. I will not mention all of them, but these two stand out because they were simple enough for non-scientific me to understand:

http://www.joslin.org/dietary-fat-can-affect-insulin-requirements-in-type-1-diabetes.html
http://www.mendosa.com/The-Fat-of-the-Matter-How-Dietary-Fat-Effects-Blood-Glucose.htm

I am prediabetic so I am concerned. I am wondering whether anyone on FS has experienced an increase in blood glucose and increased insulin levels several hours after eating a high fat diet.

Disclaimer: This is not an attempt to provoke a war of words among defenders of their diets of choice. It is a simple request for information based on experience so that I might become better informed.

Diet Calendar Entry for 19 July 2016:
800 kcal Fat: 53.45g | Prot: 28.79g | Carb: 73.35g.   Lunch: Hamburger or Hotdog Rolls, Cooked Okra (Fat Added in Cooking), Chop't Avocado. Dinner: Carnation Evaporated Milk, Quick Oatmeal (1 or 3 Minutes), Bob's Red Mill Chia Seed, Bob's Red Mill Flax Seed. Snacks/Other: Puerto Rican Style Fried Chickpeas (Garbanzos Fritos), Great Value Cashew Halves & Pieces. more...

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Good morning everyone! Happy hump day./////////////////////////////// "what works for me" - "I am trying to find what works for me..." Many times, over the 30 plus years i have been doing this, I find that those words usually are code for - what can I get away with, in terms of still eating what I like and lose weight, or, what is some quick fast magical method. This idea of what works for me is many times accompanied with "everyone is different, we all have different this or that...so let me find what works for me..."./// ///////////////////////////////////////////////// Yall know I never mean to go at someone personally and I bring my own form of honesty to the table- along with some facts.. And to both, the honest fact is that is that we all are not different really when it comes to gaining weight and to losing weight - it was excesses of carbs and lack of activity equal to burning those excesses and keeping one's weight at least at status quo - like the basket ball player who can eat all manner of crappy sugary foods - but they remain - in shape - due to their profession - or the marathon runner who can carb load all the time - and that is a benefit to what they do with zero signs of weight gain.///// ////////////////////////////////////// We are all the same, we are not different when it comes to losing weight - cut back on the carbs and increase your metabolism and you will lose weight - there is no science to explore here really - and, all the "exploring" still speaks to what i said at the beginning of my post - we are looking for some quick fix, some easy way to do this - we are searching far and wide, reading this and that, turning over every stone.... - we don't need to - it is avoiding the inevitable - and the inevitable is is that we have to stop putting so much sugar/starch/carbs in our bodies daily, and daily we need to increase our metabolic rates. It was sugar/starch/carbs that makes one diabetic and pre-diabetic - genetic or not. Just back away from all the sugar/starch/carbs - and increase your metabolic rate daily and you will give your chances of not getting diabetes a great boost. And of course and obviously fasting can work because there is no sugar/starch/carb entering the body. 
20 Jul 16 by member: ollieollieoxenfreee
We already have fats in our bodies and it is not helping to prevent diabetes so eating another mammal's fat is not going to help either - unless- it fills you up so you wont eat any sugars/starches/carbs. What "fat" is anyone talking about that triggers insulin? What fat? Every one has this generic idea about "fat" and no one it seems seems to understand the fat molecule - and the fat molecule that becomes no longer the fat molecule- yet many still clump "fat" all together and speak about it in any instance as it relates to the body - and every one is wrong - and everyone is really wrong if they are referring to fat from another mammal - and i can say with the greatest degree of confidence that people speaking about fat molecules are wrong because no one wished to google fat molecules in decay dynamics, fat molecules in cooking dynamics, fat molecules in air and light dynamics(oxidation/rancidity) and fat molecules mixed in with digestive enzymes as it goes down the hatch.  
20 Jul 16 by member: ollieollieoxenfreee
Proteins won't raise insulin levels- not the ones in your diet - because again, when you google decay dynamics, and I really wish someone would just simply google decay dynamics to learn that macro-molecules are the first to break down... it's a two minute read... you will find that proteins are part of what gets gone in the early stages of decay dynamics. Don't force me fs buddies :) I will post some crazy pics of the decay stages of a pig- and you will come to learn that there is no pile of proteins and amino acids hanging around waiting for you to eat them, to go into your body and work like the proteins you made on your own work. So, to say proteins raise insulin levels - it would have to be some of the over 120,000 different and hyper specific proteins we synthesize on our own that will do that - cause decay dynamics rendered the pig and cow sans proteins - and if we killed the cow and ate him right quick to avoid decay dynamics - then we destroyed the proteins in the cooking process. 
20 Jul 16 by member: ollieollieoxenfreee
As for this state of ketosis - it doesn't exist - it was/is a made up bit of quasi plausible science that someone decided to tie to a diet plan - and away they went - just like so many other diet ideas that link them selves to some kind of "real science" plausibility - see the starch solution... a reputable doctor sing the scientific praises of a high carb diet...// //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// having higher levels of ketones in your blood does not mean you are in a state of "ketosis". And it does not mean that now you are running on fat and not glucose - we discussed that earlier two weeks ago an came to understand that was not the case. And all the symptoms or pre symptoms of this "state" are not consistent with all people (and it's not because everyone is different) - as well, there is no clear identifiable characteristic of this state of ketosis - like say when you smoke a joint, there is a clear and distinct new state of being, so too with booze. Someone posted earlier this week asking how long it took to reach ketosis - I wanted to wait a week to see just how many different answers came in - and again, no, it was not because everyone is different - it's because "ketosis" is made up. Also, and this may seem to get more personal but it is important to note; no one here who has claimed to be in a "state of ketosis", perhaps cause their keto meter blood reading told them they were, has ever been in a hospital under close monitoring - to actually verify some type of metabolic transferring of fuel types - from glucose running things to now fat running things or ketones running things. But the problem with that will always be that there will always be glucose in the body. even the early days of keto, 1920 those patients never were without blood sugar, sugar in the cells and body tissue and sugar in the brain - science of the 1920, was lacking in many things, especially hyper microscopic in vivo study of patients. 
20 Jul 16 by member: ollieollieoxenfreee
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decomposition that is a link to decomposition - if the link doesn't work just type in "Decomposition" and it will have a wiki page (with links if needed to the more heady chemistry talk). Warning; there are some gross pictures of a decaying pig...:) 
20 Jul 16 by member: ollieollieoxenfreee
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