-Diablo's Journal, 27 June 2019

I eat soooo much fruit. Mmmmmm 

I with diablo, I eat lots of fruit too 😋🤤 

Keyten you are such a great example 😌 you are a true role model ! 

Fructose malabsorption and intolerance are very common medical conditions (even if less known than lactose intolerance). It doesn’t matter where fructose comes from, fruit or corn syrup. Levels of tolerance differ same as for lactose (milk). It is estimated that 50% of US population cannot absorb 25 g of fructose and 80% cannot absorb 50 g. Fructose is tolerated better if combined with glucose but still only until you rich your threshold level. So like everything else, fruit can be cure for some and poison for others. And moderation will have different meaning depending on your levels of tolerance. Not all fruit are created equal either as some have higher levels of fructose and some have higher levels of glucose or other sugars.  

Any link to that lofty claim of 50% of people unable to absorb 25 grams? 

Diablo, there is plenty of research available. Please feel free to Google. It has nothing to do with metabolic disorders and high fructose corn syrup claims. It is more in line with lactose intolerance. Both are sugars and both can cause gastrointestinal problems in a large percent of population. And where you have gastrointestinal problems all other issues unfortunately can follow. Your post was about fructose and health in general, so I commented. This particular lofty claim comes from this article https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3471321/#!po=46.5517 with numbers linked to pub med articles. 

Another great learning session! Love it when you youngsters get to debating and finding the details of how our bodies react to the foods we consume!  

Obviously some comments went bye bye. What is the conclusion from the study citing or cited?  

Yeah, not sure what all went on but GOGO deleted her comments and then said she was going to delete her account. I wasn't in the supposed melee this time. 😇 

"Fructose is NOT harmful in moderation 🙅🏻‍♂️⁣⁣ ⁣⁣ Most of the times people want an easy answer. They want to know if something is bad and they want a “yes or no” answer. With most things, especially in human physiology, yes or no simply does not cut it. ⛔️⁣⁣ ⁣⁣ When ridiculous amounts of fructose are given to people or rats daily and a research paper finds elevated weight or triglycerides, this data is misinterpreted by the masses to claim “Science says fructose is bad for you”… when this is far from the case 🤦🏻‍♂️⁣⁣ ⁣⁣ A meta-analysis by Livesey & Taylor. (2008) analyzed the effects of fructose on HbA1c, fasting plasma triglycerides, post-prandial plasma triglycerides and weight. They used 8, 60, 25 and 19 studies to do so, respectively. 🔬⁣⁣ ⁣⁣ It was found that intakes up to 100g per day did not affect body weight. Keep in mind that 100g of pure fructose daily is a VERY high amount 📈⁣⁣ ⁣ The authors also found that intakes up 100g per day did not affect fasting plasma triglycerides. The lack of effect existed whether fructose replaced starch, sucrose, or glucose. 🍠⁣⁣ ⁣⁣ Previous research has found that high-fructose intakes have gone up over the years and so has obesity. This has been used to state that the two are correlated and that fructose actually causes obesity👎⁣⁣ ⁣⁣ However, there is also a 95.86% correlation between civil engineering doctorates and mozzarella cheese consumption (swipe right ➡️➡️)… but one did not cause the other. Correlation IS NOT causation 😘⁣⁣ ⁣⁣ Very high intakes of fructose (>100g/d) may have negative effects. However, moderate and more intakes do not seem to be harmful in humans 😃⁣⁣ ⁣⁣ Reference:⁣⁣ Livesey, G., & Taylor, R. (2008). Fructose consumption" and consequences for glycation, plasma triacylglycerol, and body weight: Meta-analyses and meta-regression models of intervention studies. The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 88(5), 1419-37. http://www.biolayne.com 

Melete, not able to read your whole link at the moment, getting ready to head out for a short vacay but the first paragraph advises that this was a study on high fructose corn syrup in people with irritable bowel syndrome. I'll read more later but not sure that applies to 50% of people. 

I saw the study and testing methodology and stopped reading. Yes, people need a devil. Thanks Yudkin...and Ludwig....and Lustig....and the FFers.....aka Fung Followers....and the lack of control groups with some of the studies made me scratch my noggin.... 

So 50% of the population have irritable bowl syndrome 😱😱😱😱😱😱 

You are so silly melete 😆 

Rosio, sure I am silly. To comment. So sorry, it is not on your post, where you can just delete me. And all gastroenterologist are idiots to finally prescribe diet to people instead of pills and surgery. Pills and surgery are so more profitable. Asians who are almost all lactose intolerant because they cannot digest yet another sugar are just not aware that they are silly as well. They should drink more milk, it is healthy and has tons of calcium. @Terrapin, what does it have to do with Ludwig? Fructose malabsorption causes diarrhea and heart burn, not metabolic syndrome. You don’t need a devil, you need a toilet and Tums. You can get yourself a bucket of apples or cherries and easily test your own level of tolerance. While I would guess it is high, or you would not question me, it is still not limitless. And no, the study does not say that 50% of population has irritable bowl syndrome. There are actually other studies that find that fructose malabsorption is almost as frequent in “healthy” people as in people with irritable bowl syndrome. @Keyten, please keep enjoying your daily fruit as I do too. With the size of your plates I doubt you will ever get enough fructose to cause any problems and fruit do have a lot of benefits as well as other sugars. @Diablo, you can still delete my comments, but I am not sure why would you do it? It creates more interest and people can use smileys and call each other stupid. I will be totally fine, I am not running to delete my account. It is time for breakfast. Greek yogurt with blueberries. Even my delicate stomach can tolerate a bit of lactose and fructose. 

Well good thing I don't fall into that dreaded 50%. Never have diarrhea or heartburn and I eat a lot of fruit. Whew. I won't delete you, I didn't delete gogo's posts either. 

Melete, I am a silent private member and rarely post if at all. Many different views and opinions on here to keep up with. I see you are private too. I am here to listen and learn and this post I found informative so breaking my no comment rule. I am not able to see your diet calendar and how much fruit you eat. But what I see from Key-ten77 posts and diet calendar she eats nominal fruit maybe one serving a day on average which is primarily avocadoe, mango or banana. Some days she logs none. Rosio19 is pretty much the same but often eats two servings or more. Diablo360x seems to eat more but not what I would think is alot. How many servings would you consider too many that may cause issues. How many do you eat a day? No one who has commented seems to be consuming much fruit at all unless they aren't logging it. Interesting such strong beliefs but it does not look like it is a significant part of their diet. 

Terrapin12 appears to not consume much fruit at all unless he does not log also. 

@crazy I log religiously  

It’s all about portion control 😉