debrafrederick's Journal, 15 July 2023

Day 6 - I'm still going 😜 132 hours fasted. I skipped my electrolytes yesterday because I got tied up with a dog issue and was running late, so I just grabbed my water jug and ran out the door. I can feel the difference, I'm a bit sluggish this morning with a very slight headache. Note to self, don't skip the electrolytes! Other than that I feel pretty good, eyes popped open at 5:15 same as yesterday. My work alarm for Saturdays is 5:30 because I work in the morning rather than the afternoon on Saturday. I had coffee in my hand when my alarm went off! LOL. I also don't do my fasted workouts on Saturday morning, not enough time. It's amazing how quickly you can slip into a routine. My morning stuff is short, 10 minute dumbell workout on my shoulders....I'm up to 5lb weights now the 2s got too easy. I can feel my bicep under my skin, it's getting a hump in the middle instead of being smooth and flacid. Improvement! Yoga has moved up to 27 minutes! I can get up off the floor now with the assistance of a chair, again improvement! Bike ride will increase to 25 minutes on Sunday. I've been averaging 7 miles in 20 minutes. I usually take a 20 minute walk with the dogs, but not on Saturday, I may increase that next week, but I have a 14 year old chihuahua that has congestive heart failure who gets winded and coughing after the 20 minutes. I may have to make her stay home if I extend the walk. All in all, I feel pretty great for not having eaten anything for 6 days. I'm not dead, not suffering, not weak and best of all not hungry. I am looking forward to my next meal, I have gotten all kinds of great ideas for my upcoming 4 days of eating from you guys. I go shopping today and I have my list ready 😁 You guys have a fast-astic day!
273.0 lb Lost so far: 24.0 lb.    Still to go: 93.0 lb.    Diet followed 100%.

Diet Calendar Entries for 15 July 2023:
7 kcal Fat: 0.14g | Prot: 0.85g | Carb: 0.28g.   Breakfast: Sea Salt, Coffee, Fasting. Lunch: Fasting. Dinner: Fasting. Snacks/Other: Spring Valley Magnesium with Chelated Zinc, Sea Salt, NoSalt Nosalt, San Pellegrino Sparkling Mineral Water, Water. more...
4334 kcal Activities & Exercise: Shopping - 2 hours, Housework - 1 hour, Cooking - 20 minutes, Driving - 30 minutes, Watching TV/Computer - 3 hours, Sleeping - 8 hours, Resting - 6 hours and 10 minutes, Sitting - 1 hour, Standing - 2 hours. more...
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Most of us fasters take electrolytes while fasting (minerals, potassium, sodium, magnesium) This gives the basics to keep all systems functioning. Many fat soluable vitamins (ADKE) are stored in our own fat and released as the fat is metabolized. Humans have fasted throughout history -lots of it in the Bible for instance- and it has always been considered a healing process and a mind-clarifier. If you're nervous about vitamins, you can take a daily vitamin pill. 
16 Jul 23 by member: erikahollister
@YOH, I have 149 pounds of energy stored on my body in the form of fat, our body does not filter out all of the nutrients before storage, so nutrients are stored along with the energy. Electrolytes however must be replenished. I have been eating my own fat and taking external electrolytes. Our bodies were designed to do this, it's how we survived back before factory farms and grocery stores. If our bodies were not designed to do it, we would have gone extinct as a species several million years ago. 
16 Jul 23 by member: debrafrederick
Our bodies are energy factories, in the absence of food, hormones go to work creating the energy we need in order to obtain more food. In modern times we have an unlimited supply of readily available food, so our bodies stay in storage mode and any excess energy we consume is stored for hard times. If no hard times occur and if you tend to have a large amount of excess energy that gets stored (bad eating habits) then your storage becomes large...obesity. Fasting is a way of activating those survival processes and creating hard times. Your body has to relearn how to naturally switch from burning sugar to burning fat. When I eat, I burn sugar, when I don't eat, I burn fat.  
16 Jul 23 by member: debrafrederick
Yeah, Those mastodon hunts weren't an every day win! 
16 Jul 23 by member: erikahollister
That is where eating keto comes in, if you reduce the amount of sugar (carbs) that you consume and instead eat fat and protein, then your body will continue to burn fat, not only the fat that you eat, but the fat that is stored. So right now I am in ketosis, I am burning fat to fuel my body. Today I refeed, if I keep my carbs very low, I will continue to eat my own fat....so if I eat 1,000 calories of fat and protein today, my body will fill in the missing calories in my diet with fat to maintain my basic metabolism level. 
16 Jul 23 by member: debrafrederick
I read a lot of naval history,paricualry shipwreck disasters. The Bounty, Endurance, The Essex, Lost Island ,The Wager ( just finished). It is astounding how long humans can survive with little or no food!But they were forced to do it. I still think you are 'next level' when it comes to fasting,The longest I've ever gone is 2 days. One thing you learn while fasting. How often I eat for reasons othe than hunger. Eg. I'g get super hungry at~5pm. But if I powered through,in an hour I'm not hungry. HMMMMM. I'm guessing you know all about this, 
16 Jul 23 by member: tjvoigts
Hopefully that breaks it down to an understandable level. I searched on you tube for the video I watched 8 years ago that caused me to hunt for more info. It's entertaining if nothing else. Butter Bob Briggs can break it down much better than I can: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6aMN6NLOTQ 
16 Jul 23 by member: debrafrederick
He's not a doctor, he's not there for the money. He's just a country boy who wants to help others repair their chronic health issues the same way he did. 
16 Jul 23 by member: debrafrederick
TJ, I do know about it, the timed eating habits we have trigger our bodies to demand food at the times it is accustomed to eating, that is not real hunger, it's learned hunger. I have an epileptic dog, she gets her phenobarbital at 7 am and 7 pm. I put it into a pill masking snack. She has been taking it for 5 years now and about 30 minutes before pill time she starts whining and barking and poking me for her treat. Even dogs memorize feeding times. It's a natural thing....but we can power through it by acknowledging it for what it is and allowing it to pass. 
16 Jul 23 by member: debrafrederick
I asked hubby for feedback on my behavior for this fast, he told me the first couple of days I was irritable, but not badly so. After that he said I was in a wonderful mood. If anyone knows....it would be him 🤣 Moving into day 3 is when the magic really starts to happen, by magic I mean, the diminishing of hunger by the end of the day, it's simply gone. You do have to push through some discomfort between day 2 and 3. Since I have been doing the 3 day fasts for two months now, my hunger actually ends at the end of day 2 and day 3 brings that feeling of being in control of my food, rather than my food controlling me. 
16 Jul 23 by member: debrafrederick
WOW, I have missed a few posts. @YOH, my electrolyte mix is 1 tsp of sea salt + 1 tsp No Salt (potassium chloride) + juice of 1/2 lemon in 64 oz of water. I drink one jug of 64 oz plain water and one jug of enhanced water. 
16 Jul 23 by member: debrafrederick
I've been doing 1 t lite plus some sea salt and magnesium. You are getting over 3000 sodium maybe which is good. I will try increasing mine. Do you drink that all the time or only fasting? It blows my mind some people don't add electrolites on zero-ish carb and fasting. I get headaches and other symptoms without electrolites. Dr Cywes is interesting too. 🤔  
16 Jul 23 by member: jenjabba
Jenjabba, I went back in the app and looked at the nutrition report for my eating days, there you can see the sodium and potassium levels that you get from eating. I adjusted my sodium and potassium to match my daily intake during my fast. I don't add it on feeding days because my food gives me all I need. This time around I am doing very nutrient dense foods and I always add some salt to my meat before cooking so I get adequate amounts on my feeding days.  
16 Jul 23 by member: debrafrederick
Yes, Jenjabba, I think electrolytes is the key to tolerating a fast. 
16 Jul 23 by member: erikahollister
@Debra: you made a comment here about burning sugar when you eat and fat when you don’t. While my WOE is very different from yours, I do follow that basic principle. I only eat when I’m hungry, not because the clock says it’s meal time. And I never snack or eat dessert. I figure that if I’m always eating, how could my body ever tap into my fat stored? This thinking is secondary to CICO, of course. I eat roughly 1200-1300 kcal daily of largely cruciferous vegetables, so it takes 5-6 hours to get hungry again with all that fiber. 
16 Jul 23 by member: JustBananas
I'm sure if you looked at my food diary, you would see that my food intake is not much different from yours on my eating days, I do shift my macros to more fat, moderate protein and low carb veggies and very modest portions of low glycemic fruits. However, no matter what I eat today.....I am still in a caloric deficit of epic proportions. The biggest mistake that fasters make is over eating on the eating days. It is untrue that you can eat whatever and as much as you want while fasting. Keeping a consistent calorie deficit going will keep your fat burning machine zipping along as your body burns your stored fat to make up the caloric deficit. For those of us who are severely insulin resistant....not everyone is you know. This is what makes the difference between me doing what you do and not losing weight. It's simple, everyone is different, what works for me might not work for someone else and someone with little to no body fat % should ever do an extended fast. LOLOLOL We are all trying to get to the same place, we just each take our own routes. I don't ever understand what all the controversy is about....Not referring to you JB, just to the Diet Wars in general....why can't we all just get along???? 
16 Jul 23 by member: debrafrederick
Debra you are right about not all WOE working for all people. Loads of plans work for the masses but those with different issues, insulin, metabolic, food allergies etc have to find a different path. I was told repetitively that i was breaking my metabolism last year eating 700-800 calories and rarely but sometime even lower. I was exercising as best i could with new hip, eating appropriately just too low. My hope was to be able to add calories back when i got to goal weight which was 145. The lower weight im at is to allow for 5 lb variations for meals out, vacation etc. well guess what. I can maintain on 1000-1100 a day and im trying to get to 1300-1400. I just saw JB say she’s around 1200-1300 a day so im not alone in having to stay at low low calories to be healthy. You do what works for you. What i said all last year is that the high blood pressure, sky high cholesterol, multiple arrhythmias a day let alone the joint pain from excess weight were more dangerous to my life than the way i was eating or what i was doing to get to a healthier weight. I dont have the fortitude to fast like you guys do but i find it fascinating. Ps i really looked at your profile pic. I think we have the same body type. Really curvy, pretty figure you have. Im excited to see what you will look like when you are at the finish line!!! Have a lovely day deb 
16 Jul 23 by member: Yearofhealth2023
Oh and sidenote, blood pressure normalized six months ago, cholesterol down by half tho still high (genetically since teenager) joint pain gone, arrythmias greatly reduced and off all meds including pulmonary meds except HRT. (No testosterone nor estrogen detectable otherwise). That seems like a much healthier me😂 
16 Jul 23 by member: Yearofhealth2023
@YOH, that was me at Goal in 2016, my goal was 180 and I had planned to drop it to 150 and keep going, that picture was taken at 177. I still have the shape, just in larger proportions. I have big hips and butt and boobs and a small waist. I also have thunder thighs and big calves, even when I am much smaller. At age 16 I had to cut my cowboy boots to get them over my calves. I swam like two miles a day back then and rode my horse for 4-5 hours, kept those thighs and calves rock hard. ahhhhh those were the days! But after that pick it was a slow and steady rise back up because well, I was not paying attention and then shit went sideways and I jumped off the rails all together....as Phil says GAF went out the window! I'm leaving it up there....because DAMN I LOOKED GOOD!!! LOL, I will get back there, eventually.  
16 Jul 23 by member: debrafrederick
Glad to see those health markers have improved for you. Some ppl like to judge what you do, you know, those intake numbers you spoke of doing are close to the fasting mimicking diet DragList was talking about. But sometimes you have to follow your own intuition about what your body needs from you and you do that by listening to it, feeling it and deep inside, you just know what is right for you. You look fantastic and you feel better, case closed right?  
16 Jul 23 by member: debrafrederick

     
 

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