mikefarinha's Journal, 04 January 2013

Had some ice cream to celebrate my dad's birthday last night, I had a decent amount but passed on the cake.

Read some interesting perspectives on the Perfect Health Diet blog yesterday:

I think this is going to be a book that I'll have to get at some point.

I particularly like this exchange in the comments:
Quote:
Hi Mr. Jaminet,

I really love your blog and loved your first book. You made an assertion in this blog post that I *think* needs questioning:

“No carb-centric explanation for obesity will tend to make omega-6 fats accumulate this way”

This implies that the cause of n-6 accumulation in tissues is wholly unrelated to carb intake, but do we know that to be true? I think your implied reasoning is that the n-6 intake in the diet determines n-6 levels in tissues. If that’s true then you should support it. I have seen as much implied by Dr. Lands but not shown outright to be true and to be the only cause. Is it possible that the cellular content of fatty acids could be somewhat determined by the remainder of the diet? I.e. if carb/sugar intake is high then perhaps the tissues *tend* to take up more n-6 vs. n-3? Or perhaps there is some 3rd, 4th, or 5th explanation.

I’m thinking your assertion shouldn’t go unquestioned unless you know how tissues “decide” to alter their fatty acid balances.

best!
Thanks,
jesse


Quote:
Hi Jesse,

I do think high-carb diets inhibit omega-6 disposal, so that omega-6 fats are more likely to accumulate on high-carb diets, and people are more likely to become obese on high-carb diets.

But I don’t think this is a “carb-centric” view of obesity along the Gary Taubes line. It is an omega-6 centric view of obesity to which carbs contribute by suppressing omega-6 disposal.

Maybe an “omega-6 centric carb peripheral” view of obesity.



It puts to words a vague concept that I've held for probably a year now but didn't really understand. The concept being that the primary cause of a lot of health issues are vegetable oils (which are high in Omega-6 Fatty Acids) with carbs being made the bad guy because of how their interaction in the body is disrupted by vegetable oils.

In the book Deep Nutrition Dr. Cate Shannahan mentions something similar. To see my line of thinking I posed the following question to her back in February of last year:

Quote:
“In Deep Nutrition you say, paraphrasing,
‘Trans fat consumption interferes with hormone expression and daily infusions of sugar interferes with hormone receptivity.’(On my kindle it is listed at location 922, I don’t have a page #)
In considering this could it be plausible that in the absence of trans fat (and mega trans fat) our bodies would be better able to deal with a higher carb diet? Could this perhaps help explain the French ‘paradox’?

and by ‘french paradox’ I don’t really mean as it is commonly understood (what do you mean satruated fat doesn’t cause heart diesases?!?!) but rather their love of pastries… at least that is how I precieve it.


And for clarification man-made trans-fats occur only in vegetable oils. The oil of corn, soy, canola(rape seed), etc. are locked away in a complex matrix of fiber and are impossible to extract naturally to any great quantity; today they are typically extracted via mechanical high pressure and intense heat (and sometimes with the use of chemicals like hexane). The oil of these seeds (polyunsaturated fats that are high in Omega-6 Fatty Acids.) are delicate and easily damaged (aka turned into 'mega-trans-fats' as coined by Dr. Cate Shannahan). So the simple process of extracting these oils damages them and turns them rancid... which is why they are typically deodorized after processing... people wouldn't buy soybean oil based salad dressing, or a bottle of Wesson, if they opened up the bottle to a putrid smell.

What's worse is that on top of these oils being damaged and unhealthy all commercial deep frying uses corn oil which causes even more damage and also creates several cancer causing compounds such as polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, and acrylamide. Our bodies cannot handle the significant amount of damaged/toxic food we currently consume.(BTW this heat damage is different than the smoking point temperature)

It makes me wonder if our bodies try to protect us from these toxic foods by directly storing them into fat tissue to handle slowly at a later, healthier time, instead of trying to deal with it all at once. There have been some studies showing that slightly overweight people live longer than skinny people, perhaps obesity is the result of our bodies protecting us from our food? Perhaps an obese person's body is working better than a skinny person? Perhaps this explains why people who lose weight via only calorie restriction gain it all back? Perhaps I'm full of crap? Who knows?

After writing this I just remembered something that was written in the latest Atkins book. In it they mention how the latest research coming out vindicates saturated fat as not being the demon that everyone thinks and that the real culprit is the high omega-6 vegetable oils. They suggest the reader to avoid these vegetable oils and they say, paraphrasing, ‘even if you do consume these vegetable oils your body will have it’s way with them in the context of a low-carb diet’. That seems to be along the same lines as what Dr. Jaminet says in the quote above!

Ok, I’m done rambling now.
220.5 lb Lost so far: 0 lb.    Still to go: 35.5 lb.    Diet followed reasonably well.

Diet Calendar Entry for 04 January 2013:
2691 kcal Fat: 155.61g | Prot: 105.29g | Carb: 223.93g.   Breakfast: fried eggs, Coffee, Honey, Heavy Cream, Coconut Oil. Lunch: Coconut Oil tropical traditions, Russet Potato, Butter. Dinner: raisins sun maid, chicken stir fry, organic yogurt straus. Snacks/Other: creme brule, deli meat, coconut oil tropical traditions, Raw Honey, cheese, Mandarin Orange, jasmine tea, Organic Raw Kombucha, ghirardelli. more...
on diet Weston A. Price Foundation (WAPF)   gaining 0.5 lb a week

   Support   

Comments 
I appreciate your journal. Although I don't pretend to understand all of what you posted, I believe I certainly get the gist of it. Wishing you the best in 2013.  
04 Jan 13 by member: BuffyBear
I like these journals because it helps me view the evolution of my thoughts on various topics. The gist of this entry is that Vegetable Oils are very bad and foods that are fried in them are toxic (aka french fries, tempura, KFC, breaded & fried fish, most chineese food, etc.) 
04 Jan 13 by member: mikefarinha
OMG this is amazing stuff, I love the way you think and question what you are learning. I'm a follower now! 
16 Jan 13 by member: Djburney

     
 

Submit a Comment


You must  sign in to submit a comment
 

Other Related Links

Members

Weston A. Price Foundation (WAPF)

Other Journals for Weston A. Price Foundation (WAPF)



mikefarinha's weight history


mikefarinha's Recent Activity

mikefarinha's Own Activity

No recent activity.

mikefarinha's Buddies

Lizzygracemusic commented on their Weigh In.
ShyGuy commented on their Journal Entry.
jessbond recorded a Weigh In at 216.1 lb.
Hope4Health recorded a Weigh In at 171.8 lb.

Other Member Diet Recent Activity

etheriau_test2 recorded a Weigh In at 155.3 lb.
ChrisComedy commented on their Journal Entry.
mannever92 commented on ChrisComedy's Journal Entry.
hasanosman1 recorded a Weigh In at 246.8 lb.
dla202 recorded a Weigh In at 172.0 lb.
Jari recorded a Weigh In at 125.0 lb.
McGee updated their Food Diary.
Hipaagrammy commented on dreamcatcher10's Journal Entry.