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Good morning, buddies! 😀 Beware of any calls you may get from "Supremo". I got a call yesterday from someone who claimed to be from the company stating that I was entitled a refund for some tech support that I received over a year ago. They told me to go to my computer & download the Supremo app so that they could send me the appropriate form to fill out. Naturally, they were going to need my credit card info to apply it. I hung up, and called the company. It was definitely a scam. It may not be diet related, but I just wanted to make my buddies aware that people aren't as honest as they used to be! The world has changed.
Now, for the diet related part. I just want to make sure that all of my buddies on the ketogenic diet know that most amino acids are ANTI ketigenic.
All tissues have some capability for synthesis of the non-essential amino acids, amino acid remodeling, and conversion of non-amino acid carbon skeletons into amino acids and other derivatives that contain nitrogen. However, the liver is the major site of nitrogen metabolism in the body. In times of dietary surplus, the potentially toxic nitrogen of amino acids is eliminated via transaminations, deamination, and urea formation; the carbon skeletons are generally conserved as carbohydrate, via gluconeogenesis, or as fatty acid via fatty acid synthesis pathways. In this respect amino acids fall into three categories: glucogenic, ketogenic, or glucogenic and ketogenic. Glucogenic amino acids are those that give rise to a net production of pyruvate or TCA cycle intermediates, such as 2-oxoglutarate (α-ketoglutarate) or oxaloacetate, all of which are precursors to glucose via gluconeogenesis. All amino acids except lysine and leucine are at least partly glucogenic. Lysine and leucine are the only amino acids that are solely ketogenic, giving rise only to acetyl-CoA or acetoacetyl-CoA, neither of which can bring about net glucose production.
http://themedicalbiochemistrypage.org/amino-acid-metabolism.php#intro
Have a great day, buddies!
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This dude has all of my phone numbers, email address, street address, and who knows what else!
24 Jun 16 by member: Caterpillar2Butterfly
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I like learning new things. It is clear to me you support interdietary freedom. Ya. I made that word up 😑
24 Jun 16 by member: LadyinDenim
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☺ Love the fact that you're learning and with an open mind, Lady! ☺ I remember when someone first told me about LCHF. I said TO MYSELF, "OMG! ALL OF THAT FAT IS GOING TO KILL THEM!", but I was open minded about doing the research. After I was pretty much convinced that it was safe. I gave it a try. I still had small doubts in the back of my mind about it being healthy because of all of the years of bad science that had been beat into our heads. So... I had blood work done before, and every 6 months for the first 2 years. Everything improved every time. Just thought I'd share my personal experience.
24 Jun 16 by member: Caterpillar2Butterfly
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My older daughter is reading everything she can about LCHF and is IF-ing. She read FGJ's profile and looked at your before and after pics. Your story is helping her recover. She had to have her passport pic retaken, and her face was noticably thinner in one week's time of just TRYING to eat cleaner, extending her morning fast, and increasing fat and decreasing carbs. She's not counting grams at this point, but it is a huge improvement over her HCFS laden junk diet.
24 Jun 16 by member: LadyinDenim
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Awwwwwww..... Thank you so much for sharing the update with me, Lady! :) It's the thought of helping someone else that keeps me going some days! I know I can't go back to eating junk because of the way it effects me mentally. I'm not saying that I don't screw up from time to time, but when I do I suffer the repercussions physically and mentally. Most of the time, it's lead by having too many good carbs (I can even overdo veggies). Once my carb level hits a certain mark (about 30 net g personal tolerance), the cravings hit. My body hurts all over after falling into junk, esp my knees. My depression and anxiety levels skyrocket which not only causes internal hardship, but effects everyone around me including my relationship with my husband and kids. The screw ups become less and less as I become more and more aware of how they make me a different person, a person I don't want to be, a person that I don't want my kids to know/remember as their mom! I would love to chat with your daughter some day! :)
25 Jun 16 by member: Caterpillar2Butterfly
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Good morning, Oliver! :) If I understand what you are saying in plain English (as I'm no chemist myself...lol), is that the way proteins are broken down they cause cellular death. Is that the jest? If so, that is along the lines of what Dr. Rosedale says. At the same time, he feels that we need a small amount for cellular growth, etc. He actually recommends from 30-50g for adults. I believe it is the excess that we don't use that causes the problem, just as in healthy carbs.
25 Jun 16 by member: Caterpillar2Butterfly
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Protein, fat, and carbohydrates are fuels, the things that provide the energy, the calories that enable cells to produce whatever is required. I think harping on the idea that bio-chemically the human body doesn't directly use dietary macro nutrients is really a swing and a miss, the body does use dietary protein, fat, and carbohydrates as fuel, I'm not aware of anyone arguing otherwise. That really neuters whatever arguments you make about cellular biochemistry because we're not talking about cellular biochemistry, we're talking about diet.
25 Jun 16 by member: 1point21gigawatts
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I'm not a food company. I'm saying that protein is a cellular biochemical fuel, not that the body uses it directly in the capacity of a cellular protein. That would be like saying natural gas or oil or coal IS heat. No, it's not, it's fuel.
25 Jun 16 by member: 1point21gigawatts
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I think his research suggests that that amount would cut it, because we DO make SOME of our proteins. That's why they are labeled essential and nonessential. I'd really like to read some of the research you are looking at on protein. I'm always open minded, but if what you are saying is the case why do so many vegetarians not do well, even become unhealthy after a certain amount of time?
25 Jun 16 by member: Caterpillar2Butterfly
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I agree with what you're saying, the cells make everything they need, they just need energy to get'r done.
25 Jun 16 by member: 1point21gigawatts
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@Oliver... I definitely agree about the over marketing of protein! I'm all on board with that! ...but what were we (as evolved humans) designed to eat then? Much of the human lifespan was spent in the ice age where fat and protein was the main source of fuel (I also agree with Dr. Phinney when he says that "we" fed the lean protein to the dogs). As for diabetics, yes there is a limit. Not an olimination. As far decaying foods, I think it's the ones that don't decay that we should fear...lol.
25 Jun 16 by member: Caterpillar2Butterfly
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Oliver, explain what happens when "proteins" are eaten. I put proteins in quotes because they're not the stuff of human cellular bio-chemistry. Digestion, of course, but what role do they play? Are they converted to energy? Is there anything other than fuel to be extracted from the consumption of protein?
25 Jun 16 by member: 1point21gigawatts
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So vague. Amino acids, enzymes, catalysts, hormones, cell walls = proteins. Humans, lions, mosquitos, dandelions, protozoa = life forms. I'm veering away from this discussion because my interest in protein is limited to this right now: dietary protein has 4 calories per gram.
25 Jun 16 by member: LadyinDenim
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Oliver, a lot of what you are saying is admittedly way over my head. You have to remember, I had almost lost the ability to read at all before Keto! I do recall something Dr. Fung said though. "The world's longest fast was 382 days with no health emergencies". Another thing from Stephanie Keto Persons comes to mind, "carbs are what make us catabolic". I will sit back and read, and then meditate on the issue...lol.
25 Jun 16 by member: Caterpillar2Butterfly
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My point is the word "protein" is extremely vague when discussed in the context of biochemistry. It is akin to saying "the alphabet" when you eant to discuss "vowels."
25 Jun 16 by member: LadyinDenim
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Ok, so let's call dietary protein what it is. What is it?
25 Jun 16 by member: 1point21gigawatts
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Out of curiosity, Oliver, what do you believe we should eat. Plain and simple.
25 Jun 16 by member: Caterpillar2Butterfly
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So, your diet of choice is raw veganism?
25 Jun 16 by member: Caterpillar2Butterfly
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...and you're a bio chemist?
25 Jun 16 by member: Caterpillar2Butterfly
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Ok, it's a misnomer. What IS it? I asked you a couple of months ago if your issue was with semantics. You said no. I'm not sure. Dietary protein doesn't exist, so what IS it?
25 Jun 16 by member: 1point21gigawatts
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