northernmusician's Journal, 07 July 2016

Second day of the 1400 calories and lift was yesterday. Today is a rest day and day 3. Still 1400 calories.

The workout didn't leave me gasping this time. 2 sets each of 8 exercises run through twice.

I think the hardest thing is going to be the carb load phase. 1300 gr of carbohydrate inside of a 24 hour window flies in the face of everything I believed to make the big cut. Add to that that it will be starchy carbs with minimal fruit and fats and it's turning my thought processes upside down.

You see, in the Zone diet (my old go to) fat was used specifically to slow the insulin response. Some say it's old science, and I believe that to some degree it is, but it's still ingrained. Also, fruit was not feared in the diet as fructose is processed by the liver into glucose where it moves on the be used either as glycogen (muscle tissue) or fat (you already know). This again slowed the insulin response since the food had to be processed before use, meaning energy expenditure and slower release into the blood stream. Glucose, dextrose, and maltodextrin can be used directly to become either fat stores or glycogen.

I believed for a long time that insulin is a fat storage hormone. While true, it's not the end of the story. Insulin is a bus. Some of the food ingested will walk. What do I mean by this? Some of the glucose ingested will be used immediately for physical exertion/demand of energy needs. It's walking. It's in use from the instant the food enters your mouth. Many starches are actually absorbed through the soft tissue of the mouth directly into the blood stream. The body is an amazing design.

The buses go in three directions. Remember? Insulin is the bus. There are many busses but only three destinations. Any of the buses (insulin) can go wherever they need to go to drop their passengers. While I used to believe insulin was a fat storage hormone, in fact it is simply a storage hormone. Bus type 1 takes glucose directly to fat storage (if you're glycogen levels are high and you're above calories), bus type 2 takes the scenic route... all aboard fruit, you're headed to the liver to be processed where most of you will get your transfer and get onto bus type 1 a little later where you'll be taken to fat storage if your glycogen levels are full. Those loligaggers who remain in the liver will be held for use by the brain. Yes, it can use ketones, but we're not discussing ketones today on my thread... right guys? (Did you know the brain uses roughly 20% of maintenance level calories?) Any glycogen not needed in the liver is preferentially stored as fat.

Bus type 3? Bus 3 has a different destination. Muscle tissue.

Anyway, here's how this carb load is going to work. Keeping fat levels down, and ensuring about 80% of my carbs come from starches. My diet and exercise routine has been to reduce glycogen stores in both the liver and muscle tissue. The lower the better. I don't really care about ketosis, I just care about glycogen depletion. Why? Transportation. Yep, glucose/glycogen transport. Now, insulin is smart. It wants to move and have its passenger disembark as quickly as possible. There's some type of feedback loop here. If insulin is dealing with fructose, there is no choice to be made. Off to the liver. Fructose is discriminated against. It has one destination.

Bus type 3 is a long distance bus. You could end up anywhere, but it's going to be into muscle tissue if you're glycogen depleted. Remember, this is glucose transport, not fructose transport. Glucose only. On the bus. You're heading wherever the conductor decides. You just need to be needed there. Now bus three is a bit interesting, because if it finds that there is no muscle tissue that will take it, it changes to bus 1 and you're headed to fat storage.

So, my whole goal in this diet is to deplete glycogen to the point where I can take 1300 grams, yep, 5200 calories of carbohydrate, and cram it as quickly as I can (24 hours) into any muscle tissue that will take it. This is carb loading. By the way. If you're not glycogen depleted and you do a carb load (otherwise known as a glut) you are not longer carb loading because you're body is not producing and storing long chain carbohydrate (glycogen) you're storing fat. Yep, you'll be eating carbs, but make no mistake, you're doing a fat load, not a carb load.

I spent some time yesterday in PG gathering some high (low) quality carbohydrates. Yep. I think I'm prepared. Sweetarts, rice cakes, flat bread, bagels, dextrose laced creatine supplements, frosted flakes, sugar crisp, I've got the pizza place of speed dial and the wife is making a lemon meringue pie for desert on Saturday night. Yowza!

Working on it.
185.0 lb Lost so far: 15.0 lb.    Still to go: 0 lb.    Diet followed reasonably well.

Diet Calendar Entry for 07 July 2016:
1504 kcal Fat: 58.11g | Prot: 170.19g | Carb: 69.58g.   Lunch: White Bread, Pink Salmon (Drained Solids, Canned), Chicken Breast, Carrots, Pork Loin (Tenderloin). Dinner: Steak, Macaroni. Snacks/Other: LeanFit Whey Protein Shake - Vanilla. more...
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Wow! Did I read that right? 1300g carbohydrate? 1.3kg? That's some heavy-duty eating you have coming up. Best of luck with it and I hope the results are what you're aiming for :) 
07 Jul 16 by member: Phooka
Wow. Something to consider after or as I near my goal weight using my current strategy. Lots of interesting points. 
07 Jul 16 by member: chesgreen
It should also be noted that, when the body has spent 4 days setting up and burning fat cells, it will tend to continue to turn serum lipids until they're depleted. That means that EVERYBODY is on the bus. The body will supercompensate by storing more glycogen in muscles than would normally be necessary. Power lifting day is Sunday after the carb load. 
07 Jul 16 by member: northernmusician
Happy loading. It's good u said make sure u r glycogen depleted first!! U will do fine and I believe u will see really great results. Keep us posted :-) what's PG? 
07 Jul 16 by member: Mistybenner
Prince George, BC. 
07 Jul 16 by member: northernmusician
Hungry. 
07 Jul 16 by member: northernmusician
Doing a "fat load" not a "carb load" is where you got me...glycogen depleted...I do no not know how to gauge that in myself...yet. 
07 Jul 16 by member: HCB
What book ,person , plan are you following these days ? I have had to add back some Carbs to,, to get the Bus moving .  
07 Jul 16 by member: Tamarah Jo
Ultimate diet 2.0 Lyle McDonald. Good luck with the bus. Maybe a magnesium citrate or citrade. Don't buy an 'ide' it doesn't metabolize properly. Good for heart protection too. 
07 Jul 16 by member: northernmusician
Thanks for book recomendation (sounds sort of like The Body Opus by Dan Duchaine). I am going to carb up tomorrow night after I lift, but much less than what you are doing. I am totaly glycogen depleted right now. 
07 Jul 16 by member: yugguth
Northern, the thought process behind it is stupid. And let me explain why. What you are in effect doing is shutting off all fat burning. You are forcing your body into fight or flight mode and thus into glucose/glycogen burning mode. Its supposed to be some retarded version of HYPER METABOLISM. But what you are going to end up doing is spiking your insulin VERY HIGH, and I bet you actually gain weight. Because unless you can burn of 5600 calories in 24 hours its gotta go somewhere. 
07 Jul 16 by member: knuckles the mgtow monk
And im not calling YOU stupid. Not in anyway. I mean what that WOE does to your body. 
07 Jul 16 by member: knuckles the mgtow monk
Knuckles. I'll go wtih the guy with the degree. I'm not trying to get into keto. I'm trying to become glycogen depleted. Different thing entirely. The goal for me is no longer a single thing. It's two things now. Yugguth, this is a hybrid approach that attempts the same thing as body opus with more modern research and science before it.  
07 Jul 16 by member: northernmusician
Oh, and Yugguth, I think body opus was a 10 day cycle? Ultimate is 7. 
07 Jul 16 by member: northernmusician
Northern wants his cake and to eat it too.. (after heavy lifting of course) XD hehe 
07 Jul 16 by member: Panigale1199
Body Opus, for an elite body builder was 5 days glycogen depletion Mon thru Friday work out, then Fri night thru Sunday nite starting simple carbs ending with complex...then Monday either contest ready or start again with depletion. I havent read it in years but I just thumbed through it and got that. There might have been variants. Good Luck!! and keep us posted I am very interested. 
07 Jul 16 by member: yugguth
Panigale1199, Me too :-D  
07 Jul 16 by member: yugguth
I'm considering doing a 'before' picture where I am now and an after pic after the carb load just for kicks. I'm committed to at least two cycles of this, and it's feeling simpler all the time, as tomorrow night begins the carb load. I may see if I can find a copy of bodyopus. @Panigale. Everyone does want it all. Why should I be different? My guess is if this works you're going to be giving it a whirl. 
07 Jul 16 by member: northernmusician
do measure body fat? that would be interesting. 
07 Jul 16 by member: yugguth
Have fun, brother. #eat4gainz 
07 Jul 16 by member: jimmiepop

     
 

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