adefwebserver's Journal, 26 September 2018

Day 3 of a planned 5 day 'no solid food fast'

Blood sugar 93 mg/dL

šŸ§˜šŸ¾ā€ā™‚ļø I didn't lose any weight yesterday, but, I am not surprised. I conducted an experiment to see if drinking protein shakes, this time without heavy cream, would slow my weight loss. It appears it does.

I suspect the reason is that my body uses the protein for energy (rather than burning fat as I would want). When this happens I believe that it slows my weight loss. Normally I track carbs, but it appears that HIGH levels of protein (120g+) is not helpful.

But, my blood sugar levels can still drop. Driving home (I have a 1 hour drive), I was so tired I started falling asleep. I get home and check my BS and I am at 76! I then had a protein shake (with heavy cream), and a HUGE shot of electrolyte concentrate. I then went to the gym. I got home and was now at 100. I wake up to a 93. This is high because I normally am at high 70s to low 80s. As expected I did not have any loss.

Today I had a protein shake in the morning, but, only plan to drink green tea and miso soup during the day and a protein shake at night. I also plan to do a 3 mile run before work. The main change is that the carbs will be the same as yesterday, but, the protein will be cut in half. I will see if this produces better results.
170.0 lb Lost so far: 37.0 lb.    Still to go: 6.0 lb.    Diet followed reasonably well.

Diet Calendar Entries for 26 September 2018:
565 kcal Fat: 21.00g | Prot: 75.00g | Carb: 12.00g.   Breakfast: Land O'Lakes Heavy Whipping Cream, Quest Vanilla Milkshake Protein Powder. Dinner: Land O'Lakes Heavy Whipping Cream, Quest Vanilla Milkshake Protein Powder. Snacks/Other: Kikkoman Instant Tofu Miso Soup (Soybean Paste with Tofu). more...
2672 kcal Activities & Exercise: Running (jogging) - 5/mph - 1 hour, Walking (exercise) - 3.5/mph - 1 hour, Resting - 14 hours, Sleeping - 8 hours. more...
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our bodies are bizarre! fine tune it buddy! I woke up feeling so hungry and tired. i finally gave into chicken for breakfast. I hope you get a loss tomorrow!  
26 Sep 18 by member: jenjabba
@jenjabba - I just updated my post with a different insight. I don't think the protein was affecting my blood sugar at all. I think that my body simply used the protein for energy instead of burning fat using gluconeogenesis. A person can get the same effect from consuming alcohol, the body will burn it first. In my case I was low carb, but my body would rather burn the incoming protein rather than try to get energy from fat. So, I feel the 'low blood sugar is good for weight loss' is still valid, BUT, I can't give my body another source of energy (like high amounts of protein). That's why I am going for a run before work, I want to burn off my protein coffee. After that, my body only gets 5g of protein and 5g of carbs until tonight. 
26 Sep 18 by member: adefwebserver
chicken is not bad for breakfast! I feel for you Adef and I know before you changed your program you lost regularly with what you were doing. so all you can do is test different methods. It is hard to have enough energy in you to do the weight training and still lose weight when fasting delicate balance. When you are in ketosis the body can use the fat easily. Hope you have a good day today! 
26 Sep 18 by member: baskington
Ok, so... If we drink fat or add fat, or protein, I mean we have to eat, how to we get our body to just burn the dang fat that it stored FIRST! THIS IS WAR. šŸ˜ƒ 
26 Sep 18 by member: jenjabba
when you are keto adapted Jenjabba the body naturally burns the fat better. I am not gaining weight overeating, but not losing fat. so I need to keep to my necessary calories and since I did not feel right, limit my fat, I was eating fat like on keto which for me is wrong at this point. You should be close to being keto adapted, you are definitely in ketosis. I think you find you do better omad. Everyone is different. undereating too much and exercising too much I have found stops my weight loss. the body just rebels and hangs on tight. it also stresses it too much and you know what happens when the body is under too much stress.  
26 Sep 18 by member: baskington
@jenjabba - All I can say is looking at my past experience, if I keep my blood sugar low throughout the day I lose weight. I simply do not need to eat. Also, if I don't eat breakfast and lunch I am not hungry (no one can tolerate hunger).  
26 Sep 18 by member: adefwebserver
@baskington- Thanks! yeah I am still experimenting. Let's see what today brings... 
26 Sep 18 by member: adefwebserver
adef - I think you are having a hard time honing in on what specifically is causing what effect because you are basically doing an experiment with too many variables and they are changing all the time (sorry, it is the scientist in me coming out again) - if you have more than 1 variable you cannot say which is causing the result, especially in 1 day - maybe you should try sticking with a plan for a week or two, seeing the results, then changing 1 thing and seeing what happens after a week or two - it would give you a clearer picture of what is causing what - also the human body normally uses glucose and fat before it uses your proteins for energy since proteins have much more important jobs to do in your body - so you probably aren't using the protein as energy - unless you body feels it doesn't have enough carbs and fats - if it thinks it is starving it is not a good thing and if your body is using protein for energy it really isn't a good thing - take care of yourself 
26 Sep 18 by member: nikeit
Yeah Iā€™d expect that from too much protein. Somewhere on YouTube (lol) Dr Burg talk about how protein spikes insulin. However, you were consuming a lot of fat with it so it should have balanced out... perhaps not  
26 Sep 18 by member: CrashtestDawnie
@CrashtestDawnie - I am sure protein is normally not that bad, but, A) I am consuming a LOT of Protein and B) I am going for MAXIMUM weight loss (I was able to lose 38lbs in three months before I started drinking protein during the day). 
26 Sep 18 by member: adefwebserver
@nikeit - I totally agree that without holding some of the variables constant I can never really know. But, I am always dealing with my ability to 'be uncomfortable' for any period of time :) So far today I have cut the protein. If it gets me results I will just stick to that for now... 
26 Sep 18 by member: adefwebserver
Keep at it. I'm not doing a good job of preparing my meals and I've been grabbing what I can between meetings. I have to tighten my belt and fine tune it for sure. You're not gaining so that's winning for sure  
26 Sep 18 by member: chesgreen
Protein in doses of 0.6g/lb will retain muscle effectively with exercise, more is excess energy to be burned. Protein and electrolytes also retain H2O, keto is great if you want to lose both fat and muscle. If your goal really is max. loss you can cut all carbs and very low protein for keto, as mentioned you should be close to adaptation now. 
26 Sep 18 by member: A Big Boy
@chesgreen - Thanks man! However, looking back on my data I see that I have been able to lose 10 actual pounds a month. Not just 'moving water'. I'm trying to get back to that (when I am 'cutting'). It seems that the only way to do that is to do EXACTLY what I did back then. For example, I lost 12lbs in July. My daily average in July was: (Fat: 50.53g, Protein: 59.97g, Carbs: 28.35g) but now my average for this month is: (Fat: 75.14g, Protein: 121.08g, Carbs: 47.95g). I've nearly doubled my protein and carbs! 
26 Sep 18 by member: adefwebserver
if you were not weight training you would not have changed from your tried and true routine. fat adapting would change some things when you have the protein and the cream, but you can't fat adapt in such a short window. Your eating hi carbs to give yourself the energy to work bounces you out of it. this keeps setting the insulin monkey wrench into the works. if you go back to your old tried and true way you would lose your weight like normal. you can go back to that and test it. what I or jenjabber do is going to be different than what you can do as we are fat adapted. I have a kit coming so I can check mine not that I am overly concerned about it but if I Can share any knowledge I do. 
26 Sep 18 by member: baskington
@A Big Boy - I hate trying to 'eat by macros', but my past data seems to be inline with what you are saying. 
26 Sep 18 by member: adefwebserver
@baskington - The weightlifting is why I changed my diet for sure :) I think I went a bit 'overboard'. Right now I am suppose to be 'cutting'. I thought I could 'cut differently' than I did before. So far, I am not happy with te result. Too slow for my taste :) 
26 Sep 18 by member: adefwebserver
yes and I am sorry things are not working out as you planned. If you kept low carb to like 5 max 10 carbs on the weekend and ate a lot of fatty meats and cheeses omad you could try that for a week or two with limited cream, protein powder coffee during the week and see what that does. more like your old routine. making sure again that you stay under 10 carbs daily. heal your insulin responses so everything settles down. keeping as close to your old routine seems to be best for you. If you can't lift as much during the week when you are calorie deprived you can make up on the weekend with pushing the limit when you are well proteined up. you should definitely go back to losing weight normally. and at least get some weight work in while you try something different. I have no problem with the work, I would be doing more myself if I had not run myself down so badly with under calories with excessive exercise. but I am slowly getting geared up to start back with more days. healing comes first.  
26 Sep 18 by member: baskington

     
 

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