It's just a diet, not a religion

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k8yk

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Posted: 03 May 2010, 10:43
By now you probably know I hate diets. Not just YOUR diet, ALL diets. If it has a name and tries to sell you something, I don't like it.

I don't like Atkins, I don't like Weight Watchers, I don't like Simeons Protocol, I don't like Nutrisystem, Jenny Craig, South Beach, The Master Cleanse, Alli, Lap Band, Slim Fast, etc. You name it, if someone is trying to sell you something, I think it's BS.

That's my opinion. I've been taken advantage of by the diet industry my whole life and I say "No more!" And I share my opinion with you because this is a public forum about dieting.

But my goodness, people really take their diets seriously. If you question Atkins, you may as well have questioned someone's religion around here! We all see how it's the end of the world that Weight Watchers points are gone. And heaven forbid someone suggests that it might be dangerous to eat less than 500 calories a day and inject yourself with unapproved hormones.

Everybody around here needs to lighten up. Don't take it so darn personally when I, or anyone else, questions your chosen diet! There is so much contradictory information out there- of course we're all going to have different opinions.

Then there's the argument that always comes up "If it works for me, then you should support it." Well, what is the definition of "works"? Because if you mean losing pounds, ALL diets work. But if you mean keeping them off, very few do. In my opinion the only thing that works to keep the weight off is to permanently change your eating habits and make exercise a permanent part of your life.

If you really want to be surrounded only by people who agree with you, I'm sure there's a Weight Watchers forum and an Atkins forum and an HCG forum somewhere else. But this site is for ALL diets and so there are going to be people representing ALL opinions. People are going to write things you disagree with. At least in my case, it's never an attack on an individual, and I really wish people would stop taking it that way.

It's just a diet, not a religion. Nutrition science is a debatable subject for which there is no ONE correct answer at this time.

Just wanted to get that off my chest.

Happy weight loss everyone!
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GilmoreGirl

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Posted: 03 May 2010, 10:49
I always enjoy your posts. Mostly because I tend to agree with you! I hate diets, too. I hate the idea of following any rules to lose weight, execept "eat less, move more", which is what I basically do. Keep on expressing your opinions and diet-hate, I love it. Smile
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Smash84

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Posted: 03 May 2010, 10:50
You Rock! Words to live by! I'm printing this out and putting it on my wall!! I always agree with you because you state the truth!
leahl

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Posted: 03 May 2010, 10:56
Well said. People need to stop being so sensitive, there are bigger problems in this world than someone questioning a diet. Smile
staciejaye

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Posted: 03 May 2010, 11:28
I'm totally with you k8yk!! People get their backs up so easily when you question their choice of "diet". The religion metaphor is spot on...
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obakemono

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Posted: 03 May 2010, 11:45
Totally...to the max!

Diets are now THE taboo topic one isn't supposed to discuss in polite company, much like religion or politics were.

I'm VERY concerned about the low-carb ideology that seems to have become dogma. People who are on these diets will fiercely defend their plan with incredible zeal and passion. There is a troubling and growing obsession to eliminate an entire food group to the point of attaining a zero gram intake. Carbs are our friends - they make us happy and it eases up our meal planning so that life feels simpler and complete. And trust me, I've been a vegan for over 20 years, so I know how being on a seemingly restrictive eating plan can be.
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k8yk

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Posted: 03 May 2010, 11:50
Just to be fair- I am perfectly open to hearing criticisms of my own "diet". In fact, I have made huge changes to my diet based on some of the information I have received from those who disapprove the low fat diet. I was on a very low fat diet, but many here questioned the efficacy of such a program. So I researched it, discovered they were right, and I now enjoy a lot more healthy fat in my diet. Only if you keep your mind open can you truly benefit from everyone's shared experiences! By closing your mind to methods that are different from yours, you miss out on a lot of valuable information, IMO.
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CiindeeD

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Posted: 03 May 2010, 12:10
Bravo! I couldn't have said it better myself Wink

The key to permanent weight loss is to lose the "diet" mentality. You need to make a lifestyle change and stick to it - plain & simple. In this day and age of convenience it's difficult to do especially with the hectic lives we all live we just need to get back to basics Smile
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BCLenny

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Posted: 03 May 2010, 12:14
Like you said its up to the person to pick what suites them, I just don't understand why you find that so offensive. I support everyone regardless of their choices, its their choice not mine. If someone constantly berated your eating plan you may take offense too. Your posts belittling Atkins and any other diet just promotes bad feeling and of course you will get a debate...but then I think you thrive on that.
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k8yk

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Posted: 03 May 2010, 12:20
See, this is what I mean. There's no "belittling". Only disagreement. Yes, I like debate, isn't that part of the joy of sharing opinions? There are many ways to look at the same problem. Of course it is your choice. Why wouldn't it be? I mean, Atkins people disagree with the concept of a low fat diet, right? Is it because you're belittling someone? No, you've just reached a different conclusion. Please share your opinion! I won't take personal offense.

How is it berating to point out different research? I just truly do not understand that.

I do notice several of my Atkins buddies have removed me as a buddy, which is fine, but kind of petty, I think...
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BCLenny

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Posted: 03 May 2010, 12:29
No , I think not. I have much better ways to spend my time. I am getting off your merry go round but your welcome to just have it...good luck
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Posted: 03 May 2010, 12:31
I am new to this site and new to the world of having to pay attention to my weight. I have never had a weight issue because exercise has been more important to me than anything else. Now...as I get older, I have become more sedentary and the weight has snuck up on me. That middle aged "M" word is right around the corner so I know if I do not open my eyes and get out of this denial I have going on with the mirror, I will be in trouble.

I have enjoyed reading what people have written. Food does effect all of us differently or maybe I should say that our bodies deal with food differently. It sticks to some more than others, in different ways. My problem area is my mid section, but your problem area could be somewhere else. This is the first site I have ever tried with respect to tracking my food intake. Love the pie shaped diagram that tells you the percentage of fat/calories/proteins you are eating. For now I am simply trying to reduce my intake of the food I currently eat. Because of that, I have lost weight. Portion control!!! Who’d a thought!!! Now I am aware of all the fattening foods I loved so much and the empty calories that are in them! Wow! If I just have a little less of that, I can still enjoy it! I'm all over that! Or, maybe if I tweak what I eat just a little, I can still have something. I hate to deprive myself of any of the junk food I love. My junk foods are the chips and salsa types of food. I'm not into the sweets, so that is easy, FOR ME!

I am looking forward to reading what others have to say with regards to what works for them and how they tweak their foods so they can continue to enjoy them.

Because of the awareness of my food intake with this site, I have had to give up my enjoyment of my glass of wine. I still have it, just not as often and in small quantities. Good things are still coming out of this! I won't become an alcoholic!!! My body can't afford it!
k8yk

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Posted: 03 May 2010, 12:31
Okeedokey!

By the way, I sent a personal message of apology to the person who took the last thing I said the wrong way, but apparently I questioned the all mighty Atkins so now I'm on the blacklist. Which is fine. Whatever makes you happy!

Good luck to you, but the over-sensitivity to this subject is absolutely ridiculous.
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Rnbwgrl

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Posted: 03 May 2010, 12:32
People today have a skewed concept of "self" in that any questions/opposition regarding something they like/support/love/believe are attacks on that "self". To break it down to it's basest level:

I say: "that diet seems risky" or "this diet is not approved by the FDA" or "how on earth do you get to zero grams?!"

They read: "you are an idiot and i hate you"

Debate is not a bad thing, this country was founded by a bunch of people who got together and started talking about what they liked and didnt like... when did "debate" and "discourse" become four-letter words?

Your mileage may vary...
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kmartin

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Posted: 03 May 2010, 12:35
K8yk,
I am not trying to jump on the bandwagon here BUT.... I have to comment. To start, I truly respect the hard work and accomplishments you have made for youself. But in defense to Atkins - people are misinformed that it is a diet because that couldn't be further from the truth. Atkins is a way of life and teaches us how to eat for the rest of our lives. It's not all meat and eggs and cheese til we die. I eat veggies in abundance, protein and healthy fats. I also eat very limited carbs. Since January my BP has normalized and is at the lowest level in years.
However, no diet is "one size". We all cannot lose the same weight like you have. Just like not everyone can do Atkins. It's a personal AND nutritional choice.
Welcome to your journey - May it be prosperous.

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obakemono

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Posted: 03 May 2010, 12:40
I've reread this post again as there's some aggro popping up on another thread regarding supposed Atkins bashing. I can't see any specific bashing as k8yk mentions pretty much all the major diets out there because this is a post ABOUT all diets in general. Her point has been elegantly proven, and the uproar begins.
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k8yk

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Posted: 03 May 2010, 12:41
Keli YOUR Atkins and BCLenny's Atkins are a way of life, because you are following the life-long version of the plan. And I am happy for you that you have found what works for you.

However, when MOST people say Atkins, they are talking about a very low carbohydrate diet. When MOST people say Atkins, they've probably read less about it than I have. I've read all about it and I totally understand why it works for you and others. And I still think it is silly to vilify an entire macronutrient and spawn an entire market of "low carb bread" and Atkins bars and shakes.

If I post an article that states low carb diets are ineffective in the long term, why should that hurt anyone's feelings? Post the alternative! Prove me wrong.

I agree with Rnbwgrl. When did "debate" and "discourse" become four-letter words?
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kmartin

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Posted: 03 May 2010, 12:50
I am not trying to prove you wrong. I am in agreement with what you are saying. For the most part. Dieting in and of itself can be both beneficial and harmful. Yes, it is healthy to lose weight and it is unhealthy to be overweight. How people chose to diet can be damaging. Doing Atkins to lose 20 lbs and stopping is counterproductive and damaging.
Learning how to eat for life is where we find success. Sure you can lose following WW, calorie count, Atkins, Jenny Craig, etc. But finding how to keep that weight off is key.
As far as products go, I do not partake in Atkins or low-carb bars, snacks, etc. except for protein shakes (GNC Whey, EAS, Atkins).
But again, it's all personal preference.
Welcome to your journey - May it be prosperous.

Dear Lord, You are the beginning and the end of this great narrative called history. Thank You for writing me into the story. Though I play only a small part, may I play it well. May I honor You with my days and my choices and may I truly know that Your grace works. In Jesus’ Name, Amen
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Posted: 03 May 2010, 12:52
k8yk wrote:
Post the alternative! Prove me wrong.


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Posted: 03 May 2010, 12:56
Ok...I sense quite a lot of disagreeement in this post.
I think one is free to choose any diet/life plan he/she wants as long as it is healthy and it doesn't deprive the individuals from all the good nutrients nature has to offer, and it also promotes exercising regularly.
Opinions are just that, if a comment doesn't suits you, just disregard it and move on, no use on wasting time trying to make the other person agreeing with you. Results speak for themselves, and we're all different...maybe what works for me will make another person gain weight...who knows?
I enjoy reading all posts and learning what to make part of my lifstyle and what to disregard.
There are other sites to be hostile...this site is for support, everyone should have that in mind.
I enjoy the support of my buddies and I try to offer the same.
Simple as that.
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