The common errors of people when doing "diet"

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Arty

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Posted: 27 Feb 2009, 10:49
Sorry about my bad english. I am here to explain why eating less than 1000 calories, eating more than 30g of fat and reducing carbohydrates to absurdity is not healthy.

First of all, some people seem to be obsesed with lowering their calorie intake to 1000 and lower.... If you do aerobic excersies meaning excercices than use oxygen like (jogging, running, spinning)in other words Cardio you have to eat properly otherwise you will kill yourself.

People that are interested in looking, feeling good they cant be happy with just lowering you're weight. Lowering weight is good but lowering body fat is way better. If you are interested in lowering body fat then you have to reduce properly you're fat intake without leaving the good fat (fish oils -> omega 3, 6 and others goodies) and you have to do excercise!

Last but not least is how amazed I am of people saying WoW I only eat 30g of carbohydrate today!!! Well thats quite terrible let me tell you. Theres a difference between good carbs and bad carbs.Carbs are divided in 3: Complex, Fibrous and Simple. Good complex carbs are natural ones like: brown rice, whole wheat products and so on. Good fibrous carbs are: broccoli, tomatoes, spinach, vegetables). Simple carbs are: Fruits (REAL FRUITS). Carbs are like fuel for a car, you need them for you're daily life, you have to regulate them to some extent but limiting them to absurdity is not healthy.

Theres a lot to be said on these topics, but It will take me days to go deep, so if you are interested contact me I can help you out. By the way I am not a nutrisionist but I have my experience, others experiences and alot of reading backing me up. Good luck and happy healthy life for you all!Exclamation Exclamation
MountainMama...

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Posted: 28 Feb 2009, 06:47
So what you are saying is rice is a good thing - we love our Basmati rice and eat it 3x a week. I like it with just a little pepper on it or plain along with the evening meal. It isn't a brown rice - does that matter?
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Arty

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Posted: 15 Apr 2009, 11:05
I recommend brown rice . It have all the goodies.
beets_yum

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Posted: 15 Apr 2009, 13:29
ARty, I hear you and mostly agree. I definitely agree that eating 1000 cals is not a great idea. But really there is no nutritional requirement for grains. True, whole grains offer nutrients and fiber, but you can get these from vegetables and legumes if you want.

Humans didn't start eating grains until, at the earliest, ~11,500 years ago. Depending on where your ancestors were from, they may not have eaten grains until 7,000 years ago or even more recently. That means that the human body has not fully evolved as a grain-processing machine. Yes, most of us can eat and digest grains, but we didn't evolve depending on grains like we did depend on nuts, fruits veggies and small quantities of meat and fish.

And that's whole grains. Your body, though, has very little use for processed grains whatsoever.

If you like basmati rice, try Lundberg's brown basmati. It's much better for you and Lundberg's rice is delicious. To your body, eating white rice is pretty much like eating a few spoonfuls of sugar. Of course, if you get plenty of exercise and are eating your white rice with whole, healthful ingredients and other healthy meals, it's not a tragedy to eat it. It's all a matter of balance.
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vivid

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Posted: 15 Apr 2009, 17:13
Sounds like someone is doing the Paleo, hey beets?

Arty,

some great points... we all need to eat, starvation (1000cals/day) is not an option. Fats can be very good for you, as long as they are the right kinds of fats... And eat your vegetables, they are packed with nutrients and very little cals. Personally I eat grains but sparingly; leans meats, seafood, vegies and fruit make up the vast majority of my diet.
healsdata

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Posted: 15 Apr 2009, 18:13
While it is true that our brains need about 130g of glucose per day, the body is perfectly capable of creating glucose for the brain. This is done through a process called gluconeogensis. The brain is also capable of using an alternate food source: ketones. These are produced during the ketogenic diet which, is not just used for weight loss, but other disorders like childhood epilepsy.

Simple and complex carbs both break down into sugar in the body -- the only difference is how long it takes. So when eating carbs, your real options are sugar or fiber. Low carb experts (Dr. Atkins, Drs. Eades, Dr. Volek, etc.) recommend eating vegetables that are low in sugar carbs and high in fiber carbs because they provide valuable micronutrients.

There is a common misconception that low carb diets, or the Atkins diet, involve nothing but bacon, eggs and butter. While there are some who eat this way (and prosper), most of the low carb experts recommend mixing in vegetables and low GI fruits. Anecdotally, most low carb people assert they eat far more fruits and vegetables now then they ever did on the "balanced diet." (This doesn't include potatoes, which Americans tend to eat by the boatload in chip and fry form Laughing)

That all being said, I'm happy for anyone who has found the way of eating that works for them and that they can stick to for life. I simply ask that, on a forum full of people who are still struggling, you don't spread misinformation on a way of eating that may be the best answer for many people.

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"There's no doubt that the Atkins diet will lower your cholesterol, weight and blood pressure and get rid of your diabetes, but then what?" asked Dr. Robert Rosati, the cardiologist who runs The Rice Diet Program Clinic, granddaddy of Durham's diet centers.

I guess there's really no pleasing some people. Laughing (Source: http://bit.ly/ekORk0)
Samadhi

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Posted: 16 Apr 2009, 09:41
Yes, deliberate use of ketogenic diets has been used to treat certain medical conditions (ie: epilepsy); however, such treatments remain highly controversial due to safety. Patients on these diets may only stay on them limited periods of time due to the accumulated amount of damage that is done to the body. I have yet to meet a doctor or nutritionist who considers extended states of ketosis to be healthy.
vivid

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Posted: 16 Apr 2009, 13:03
Let me also add, high protein diets are not bad... high saturated fats diets are bad...

Atkiens is not a diet I could see any benefit to, because of all the sat fats it recommends you eat... But the Paleo diet, which is essentially unlimited lean meats, seafood, veggies (no tubas) and fruits with no dairy, legumes or grains, it great for you.
lgatzke

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Posted: 16 Apr 2009, 15:27
Thanks for this post! Very good perspective!
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Bilida

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Posted: 17 Apr 2009, 11:32
extreme diets may work for a few in the short term and even fewer in the long term and end up damaging the majority now (damage to your metabolism, organs, morale, etc)

eat a balanced diet, don’t eat to excess and get exercise (get your heart and limbs moving) - it really is that simple but people always seem to want a quick way out
I let myself get overweight over time and I am going the turtle way to get HEALTHY,
The eating and exercising I am doing now are a life choice that I can stick with for LIFE Very Happy

P.S. the turtle way = slow and steady wins the race, the rabbit dies of a heart attack
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DReno

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Posted: 17 Apr 2009, 14:17
My carbs aren't so bad, I eat around 50g daily. But fats I COMPLETELY avoid, I stay around 5g a day, and if something has saturated fats in it its an automatic no-no!
Samadhi

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Posted: 17 Apr 2009, 16:33
I think regardless of where protein in high protein diets comes from, low carb diets can't work in the long run. A low carbohydrate diet is metabolic starvation. In order to compensate for not consuming a necessary fuel [carbs] to keep you alive, your body tries to compensate by breaking down muscle [and later fat] as a substitute. This is a dieting disaster. Studies have shown that long-term weight-loss maintainence REQUIRES lots of moderate to intense exercise. Your body can't handle the load of that if: 1) you have significantly less muscle tissue, and 2) you don't have enough glycogen stored in those muscles to endure intense, prologned exercise [eating carbs is necessary for storage of glycogen].

I will also say, happily, that 30% of my diet is fats. I think it is healthy and a great source or certain nutrients. Here's a great little article I read in Runner's World magazine last month on "Eating the Right Fats for Weight Loss":
http://www.runnersworld.com/article/0,7120,s6-242-304--13086-0,00.html
healsdata

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Posted: 18 Apr 2009, 03:29
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A BBC news website article dated 4 August 2008 shows that there are still people who firmly believe that the earth is flat, despite all the evidence which points to it being spherical.

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Respectable institutions (Stanford, Duke University, University of Pennsylvania, Aerospace Medical Association) have all released studies that indicate the Atkins/low carb diet is not only effective but safe. These studies have appeared in peer-reviewed journals such as the Journal of the American Medical Association and Aviation, Space and Environmental Medicine. How anyone can still argue that these diets are unsafe is beyond me (especially without offering studies to back their claims.)

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For anyone who makes claims about low-carb diets and kidney disease, the burden of proof must be on them to show this is true, and they simply can't.
-- The Fitness Insider

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We believe restriction of saturated fat is not warranted on a low-carbohydrate diet because of our work showing favorable responses in clinical risk factors for diabetes and cardiovascular disease in low-carbohydrate diets that were rich in saturated fat
-- University of Connecticut

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Even athletes can adapt to a low-carb diet.
-- DiabetesHealth

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Stefansson documented the fact that most Inuit lived on a diet of about 90% meat and fish, often going 6-9 months a year on nothing but meat and fish--essentially, a no-carbohydrate diet. He found that he and his fellow European-descent explorers were also perfectly healthy on such a diet. When medical authorities questioned him on this, he and a fellow explorer agreed to undertake a study under the auspices of the Journal of the American Medical Association to demonstrate that they could eat a 100% meat diet in a closely-observed laboratory setting for the first several weeks, with paid observers for the rest of an entire year. The results were published in the Journal of the AMA, and both men were perfectly healthy on such a diet, without vitamin supplementation or anything else in their diet except meat.
-- Journal of the American Medical Association


Edit: Just to clarify, I'm not trying to "spread the word" and get everyone doing low carb. For one reason or another, it won't work for some people. But there is a HUGE difference between saying "Atkins didn't work for me" and "Atkins will kill you." One is a personal experience, the other is slander.

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"There's no doubt that the Atkins diet will lower your cholesterol, weight and blood pressure and get rid of your diabetes, but then what?" asked Dr. Robert Rosati, the cardiologist who runs The Rice Diet Program Clinic, granddaddy of Durham's diet centers.

I guess there's really no pleasing some people. Laughing (Source: http://bit.ly/ekORk0)



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