KETO MISTAKES: EAT MORE FAT to LOSE WEIGHT. The TRUTH about a KETOGENIC DIET for FAT LOSS

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pattychaney

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Posted: 19 Apr 2016, 04:57
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xiHcl-kYOg

Very informative for those of you just starting out on Ketogenic or LCHF diet. Dont be misinformed that all you have to do in the beginning is eat all this fat to lose major weight. Know your diet, Check your Cholesterol levels in your dietary guide. Monitor your fats so that they are not so high that your not burning fat your storing EXCESS Fat. Balance it , follow your Macros faithfully and dont neglect your Proteins. Stay the course. Be informed.
rabbitjb

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Posted: 19 Apr 2016, 06:18
Or on the flipside, where the sane people live

.. protein is an essential nutrient, the building block of cells

Proteins we consume contain vital amino acids that the body cannot synthesise including phenylalanine, leucine and histidine. if I remember right humans can only make around 5 amino acids
Diablo360x

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Posted: 19 Apr 2016, 06:21
Protein in food is not needed and is toxic? Where do you get your info? Wow.
Consume whatever foods you prefer, whenever you prefer to consume them, while ensuring nutrient sufficiency and meeting caloric goals.
belliveau

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Posted: 19 Apr 2016, 06:24
Thefutureoffood,

I will not argue with you about the fact that the body does create its own proteins as that is proven true. However, it does not produce an amount of protein necessary for optimal function. Protein is essential for everything you do. It builds DNA and RNA, aids in repairing muscle tissue, organs, skin, nails, bones, and regulating hormones. None of these sound toxic to me.

Yes a human could survive without ingested proteins, however just because you are surviving does not mean you are healthy. Being healthy is having a balance of everything your body requires and allowing your body to maximize its growth and production. What Patty is saying about following your macros is one of the best things I have seen on this site today.

If you look at any fitness "God" and realize that they are the epitome of fitness and health and you look at their diets you will realise that all of them contain proteins.

Ingested proteins are 100% required to be the best version of yourself possible.

-Belli
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belliveau

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Posted: 19 Apr 2016, 06:27
Thefutureoffood,

If you want to do some real research read this article:
https://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002467.htm

It explains the difference between Essential Amino Acids (ones that the body does not produce) and Nonessential Amino Acids (the ones the body produces naturally that you are talking about)

-Belli
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Phooka

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Posted: 19 Apr 2016, 07:37
@thefutureoffood - I hope to the heavens I've not had to contribute to the financial support of your "research".

You seem seriously off the wall with your ideas and no respectable research scientist would be proposing these ideas (even with credible and replicated evidence) on a non-science based, popular diet website before submitting them for peer review (and therefore replication of evidence by others) and formal publication.

Methinks the old adage "empty vessels make the most noise" applies.
If you always do the same thing, you'll always get the same results
belliveau

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Posted: 19 Apr 2016, 07:45
Okay so I also took chemistry in high school I just don't claim to be a master, and you posting overly long/pretending to be scientific articles on different forums does not quality you as a chemistry teacher. If you truly understood chemistry/biology/science in general you would realise how ridiculous your above statement sounds.
"So so many people continue to think we are different from plants and animals? Wrong. We have the same genetic ability like they do to make our own proteins and vitamins etc."
Plants and animals do not magically generate their proteins and vitamins. Plants absorb nutrients that they require through the water that they absorb through their roots. Animals eat plants or they eat other animals. Everything living has some form of "eating" that is required for it to survive healthily. Yes, we are different from plants and animals. We don't have roots to absorb our nutrients unlike plants. We are top of the food chain. We eat plants and animals to get the nutrients we need. Your science is flawed but you are to egotistical to understand that. I won't bother responding again because you aren't worth it but I asks you to stop posting you unproven theories on peoples threads and trying to lead them astray. This site is for people to help each other and I think just about anyone can see that you are not trying to help anyone. You are trying to make yourself sound smarter than everyone else probably due to a napoleon complex of sorts.

Have a nice day.
-Belli
SHREDDING FOR THE WEDDING
rabbitjb

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Posted: 19 Apr 2016, 07:49
thefutureoffood wrote:
Diablo – I get my info, from knowing chemistry – not from the internet but from learning chemistry and then teaching chemistry. A heaping true learning of biology goes with that as well. Here’s a link that will show you what I mean. These links are a plenty but few people land on them when googling about proteins – they usually end up on some nutritionist's site or a body builders site – this site below will make zero mention of eating steak and eggs etc. It may also be too heady for some to keep up with but once you learn real chemistry and biology it should be no problem.
http://www.biotopics.co.uk/genes/trans.html


You, Sir, have never taught anything in your life

Your lack of understanding of basic concepts and your inability to communicate clearly attest to that
notelaine

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Posted: 19 Apr 2016, 07:59
Anyone who actually knows and understands chemistry (or any science for that matter) understands how important it is that studies are reputable and peer-reviewed. As a chemical engineer myself, I would never tout something as fact when my source is some sketchy website.

Typing nonsense on the internet certainly doesn't qualify as "teaching" chemistry.
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notelaine

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Posted: 19 Apr 2016, 08:17
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I just happen to know and teach real chemistry - but because it's too long or heady no one wants to be bothered reading or embracing it.


Definitely not why people don't want to read it.

People don't want to read it because they don't want to waste 3 hours of their life reading crazed, misinformed, conspiracy theories.
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rabbitjb

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Posted: 19 Apr 2016, 08:21
belliveau

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Posted: 19 Apr 2016, 08:49
notelaine wrote:


Definitely not why people don't want to read it.

People don't want to read it because they don't want to waste 3 hours of their life reading crazed, misinformed, conspiracy theories.


Well said notelaine
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HCB

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Posted: 19 Apr 2016, 08:59
Brand new research from a 2016 Tufts University study that discovered something truly surprising:
Researchers studied blood samples from over 3,000 American adults, ages 30-75.

Amazingly, they found people who consumed more full-fat dairy were 46% less likely to develop diabetes over a 15-year period than those who avoided it!

It actually makes sense — those who avoid fat often compensate by eating more unhealthy carbohydrates, which may increase risk of obesity and type 2 diabetes.

“The really strong associations with full-fat dairy and lower risk is really unusual to see, and makes me think there is something very real going on,” said Dariush Mozaffarian, lead researcher of the Tufts study.

You can look up this study.

If it is important to you, you will find a way. If not, you will find an excuse.
rabbitjb

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Posted: 19 Apr 2016, 10:08
Link the study but I from your explanation that's correlation which is not the same as causation
HCB

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Posted: 19 Apr 2016, 11:20
I literally copied the information from Tufts University. I am not here to argue with people. I simply mentioned another viewpoint. In fact, I am sick to death of people demanding THEY are right. Just believe as you wish and allow me to believe as I wish.
If it is important to you, you will find a way. If not, you will find an excuse.
rabbitjb

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Posted: 19 Apr 2016, 11:24
HCB wrote:
I literally copied the information from Tufts University. I am not here to argue with people. I simply mentioned another viewpoint. In fact, I am sick to death of people demanding THEY are right. Just believe as you wish and allow me to believe as I wish.


What on earth do you think I'm disagreeing with ?

You literally talked about a correlation, well copied text that defined a correlation

I noted that it was a correlation and said I would like to see the actual study ...generally on a discussion board when one raises an area for discussion one provides the relevant link

Wow Laughing
notelaine

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Posted: 19 Apr 2016, 11:38
I don't think anyone on this thread was arguing against LCHF, even if that's what we don't follow. Lines around nutrition are pretty fuzzy

What I think we were saying though, is that some wackadoodle claiming that we don't need to eat any protein is wrong and dangerous and just a bizarre claim.
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Steven Lloyd

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Posted: 19 Apr 2016, 12:33
Notelaine...we are "kissing cousins", I'm a Petroleum Engineer, very close but we also look at soft rock geology, carbon chemistry and oil specific processes.

I'm afraid if Oliver/KIS/the future of food is right, I've wasted a lot of money on a placebo masquerading as a high end protien whey isolate, that has a healthy dollop of the "essential" branch chained amino acids. Oh well, if in fact I don't need them it sure has worked as a placebo for me. Smile. I think I'm going to have another shot of that "placebo" right now to break my fast.



jimmiepop

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Posted: 19 Apr 2016, 13:55


This page describes, rather poorly, how the body synthesizes protein (builds muscle) from amino acids. How do you imagine these amino acids arrive in the body?
chadlius88

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Posted: 19 Apr 2016, 14:34
thefutureoffood wrote:

We do not get proteins or other so called nutrients from foods (plants and animals). So so many people continue to think we are different from plants and animals? Wrong. We have the same genetic ability like they do to make our own proteins and vitamins etc.


While the human body certainly produces its own proteins; just as you cannot make concrete without stone, the body cannot form protein chains without the amino acids derived from the foods that we eat. To think that the body produces its proteins from the heat energy that we consume from foods is ludicrous.

Nutrients and proteins that plants produce are derived from the very soils which they are rooted in. Decaying plant matter, insects, animals, animal excrement, all feed the soils.

matter can not be created or destroyed.



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