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mdubstep

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Posted: 23 Mar 2016, 06:57
I'm a little confused by my hunger response...I'm sure there are others out there who experience what I'm about to describe. If you do, share some tips or tricks to manage the hunger pangs!!

I ate breakfast around 4:30am; it consisted of 2 eggs, scrambled with minimal added fat (canola cooking spray), and approx. 1/2 cup Special K fruit and yogurt with 1/3 cup vanilla soy milk. By 6:30, I was famished! I figured the carb/protein combo would be sufficient to tide me over until snack time at 8 or so. I was able to wait for my snack time but it was so uncomfortable.

Is that normal for anybody else? And I've been sipping water all morning to boot.
terrygasca

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Posted: 25 Mar 2016, 00:51
I'm on Keto LCHF, so my day starts w/ fatty bulletproof coffee & 1 hb egg. Some days I add 2 bacon strips. Keeps me quite full 5-8 hrs, along w/ my largest portions of rdi water.

Late nights is where I'm having difficulties w/ hunger, so this is when I will eat my minimal carbs. Carb-induced sleepies.
Bcoulal

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Posted: 25 Mar 2016, 01:17
When I first did the LCHF diet, I didn't follow the rules down to the T. Even then, I followed it close enough to lose 71 lbs and 25% bodfat.

This year 2016, I tuned it up more, clean it up better, and tweaked it (lean towards more extreme measures). Goal is to get to 175 lbs by September this year, which would be a total of 105 lbs lost.

As far as hunger goes, after doing the diet properly for 3-6 weeks, your hunger for carbs will subside and you'll barely feel the urge to binge on that pizza or breaded product. Out of sight, out of mind, so they say.

But if you keep consuming carbs that go over 50g a day or keep tricking your mind that you're consuming real sugar by consuming fake sugars, then you're never going to get out of the carb addiction loop. I don't even consume fake sugar products, not even Splenda or Stevia. I won't trigger those pleasure centers of my brain and reawaken the sugar beast.

Right now, without even trying to fast, I literally forget to eat. One day I just forgot to eat and it was 48 hours from the last time I ate (2 whole days). This keto diet literally makes your appetite disappear (if you do it properly).

This year I'm keeping my carbs around or below 30g, and all carbs will be organic green veggies, that means no sweet fruit at all. Can't reintroduce fructose sugar back into my body, that poison is banned from my body forever.

Again, my carbs are all from green veggies, I don't eat rice, potatoes, corn, beans, legumes, or nuts (okay maybe peanuts, but they're technically beans/legumes, and they're high in good fats and protein and contains decent amounts of organic unprocessed carbs, be careful, they add up quickly. I think 7oz of dry roasted peanuts contain 35grams).

Since keto is all about high fat, low protein, and low carbs, my sources of fat are: grassfed butter, extra virgin coconut oil, peanut oil, olive oil, grassfed beef and buffalo lard/tallow.

I don't eat vegetable oil (rapeseed oil), corn oil, or canola oil. All GMOs. I won't touch margarine (fake butter) with a ten foot spork. I won't consume anything with hydrogenated soybean oil nor will I consume any produce that contains soybeans (this includes soy sauce). For meat, I try to stay wild-caught/hunted, if not then grassfed beef, free-ranged chicken and eggs, quail eggs (which are delicious and the yolk is more nutrient packed than regular chicken eggs), duck eggs, turtle eggs, snake eggs.

Then I sometimes I go wild-caveman and eat insects like fried grasshopper, tarantula, scorpions, caterpillers, and any creepy crawler with enough protein and fiber. What can I say, I'm Asian, I eat everything, even the stuff Americans consider disgusting.

Eating grubs/insects are a way of life in Africa and other 3rd world countries. Only in 1st world countries would certain cultural foods be considered gross. lol
~Southern Beast
kpwcalories

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Posted: 25 Mar 2016, 01:53
I find that the longer I put off eating for the first time on any given day, the less I generally eat that day. Eating makes me want to eat more. It's said that's because eating spikes your insulin levels, especially so if you eat things with carbs and sugars, such as your cereal and fruit. Fat is supposed to be more satiating than carbs. Fiber may also be more filling. Also, when you're trying to cut back on calories, your body will often insist you're starving it to death, even when you certainly are not and have plenty of extra fat to survive just fine on a diet. It becomes a mind over matter thing until you can retrain your appetite over time. You might find it interesting to read up on Intermittent Fasting, perhaps the 16:8 version. I do it some days, not every day, as it suits me. Others are more regimented about it. Good luck!
mdubstep

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Posted: 25 Mar 2016, 05:02
Thank you all for taking the time to respond. I will admit that I have tried to go LCHF twice before unsuccessfully. When I tried it, both times, my mood was so unregulated it got scary. Full disclosure: I have some serious mental health issues, which were not well regulated at that time. I am on new medications now and feel like I'm doing better; I may try again and see how it goes. Any thoughts and feedback is welcome.
Rckc

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Posted: 25 Mar 2016, 05:50
The thing that has worked for me controlling my hunger is LCHF. It's the fat that controls the hunger. When I first started I had 3 meals a day, making sure to have enough fat in each meal. Now I start the day with coffee and 1 tbs coconut oil, another around lunch time, then supper. That being said, I think you have to realize when starting a new way of eating, you may still be hungry. You may be uncomfortable. Your mind may try to convince you your body is starving. My body was used to lots of high carb junk food, fast food, and lots of it. If you can push thru in the beginning, it WILL get easier. When I was trying to decide which path to take toward my goals, I really thought about what had deterred me in the past. Hunger was the number one thing over and over. If I got too hungry eventually I threw in the towel and ate everything in sight. With LCHF, the feeling of hunger subsided within the first week for me. Whatever you decide to do, utilize this site. There are so many on here with great ideas and so supportive. Ask questions, vent, and look at others success stories. I have learned so much on here about what works and what doesn't.
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mdubstep

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Posted: 25 Mar 2016, 06:08
I have been able to stick with a reduced calorie diet through the hunger. I was hoping there would be something I could do to reduce it though, and it seems that LCHF is definitely a path to try. For me, I struggle so much with sugar cravings. Carbs are linked to my mood soooooo strongly. I'm really glad that the original topic led to this discussion because I really don't know what to do about mood regulation. Any insight on that would also be greatly appreciated!
AJN

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Posted: 03 Apr 2016, 17:30
When I feel those hunger pangs, I say "Yes! My body's looking for nourishment from all those stored fat cells, and that means I'm losing weight!"

I also have told myself that feeling "Full" is not good for me - that's how I got fat in the first place! Go for satisfied, not full.

It's a "tough love" thing, but it gets better. And you've got to love yourself.
rabbitjb

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Posted: 04 Apr 2016, 00:34
mdubstep wrote:
Thank you all for taking the time to respond. I will admit that I have tried to go LCHF twice before unsuccessfully. When I tried it, both times, my mood was so unregulated it got scary. Full disclosure: I have some serious mental health issues, which were not well regulated at that time. I am on new medications now and feel like I'm doing better; I may try again and see how it goes. Any thoughts and feedback is welcome.


I find this concerning. Low carb is a way of eating to hit a calorie defecit. It is the calorie defecit that results in weight loss and not some magic inherent in reducing carbohydrates. Low carb does not suit everyone ...it certainly doesn't suit me long term as I always crashed and burned with the associated guilt and higher end weights. If you eat a wide nutritious diet and log by weight accurately to a calorie defecit you will lose just as much weight over time. You must find your own way of eating that you can sustain and that doesn't exacerbate your medical symptoms. I lost 55lbs easily eating over 250g carbs (50-60%) of my diet and I have maintained for over a year now.
rabbitjb

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Posted: 04 Apr 2016, 00:41
mdubstep wrote:
I have been able to stick with a reduced calorie diet through the hunger. I was hoping there would be something I could do to reduce it though, and it seems that LCHF is definitely a path to try. For me, I struggle so much with sugar cravings. Carbs are linked to my mood soooooo strongly. I'm really glad that the original topic led to this discussion because I really don't know what to do about mood regulation. Any insight on that would also be greatly appreciated!


Pad out meals with lots of low calorie dense veg, hit decent protein and fats (0.65g protein per lb bodyweight, 0.35g fats per lb/bodyweight as minimums). Batch cook when you have time so you have delicious food to eat in a short reheat time. Take walks and follow a decent progressive resistance programme setting none weight goals. And see your doctor because mood regulation can be a result of hormonal imbalance or be positively addressed with medication / CBT/ counselling etc)
Russ V

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Posted: 14 Apr 2016, 12:44
You are partly correct, but I'd argue on the fat part. Americans are addicted to wheat, or what passes for wheat these days. You even have it in your sparsely stocked pantry. Grapes = mostly sugar - glycemic index of 59. Raisins = grapes with the sugar concentrated even more glycemic index of 64, yikes! Soda crackers = glycemic index of 74...holy glucose, Batman! I guess you are right about the sugar addiction thing. By comparison, Peanut M&Ms have a GI of 33. How can that be? Well, the peanuts at GI 7 help. How about some rice cakes? I mean, they taste like styrofoam and are light and fluffy, so they must be good for you, right? Glycemic Index says 84! For crunchy stuff, I prefer carrots, GI 35, bell peppers, GI 40, or Macadamia nuts, GI 10. My suggestion would be to read Wheat Belly by Dr. William Davis...lots of great information on not just America's but the world's addiction to wheat and why food companies try to slip it into anything they can (hint: it's an appetite stimulant). P.S. I'm with you on most of your rant though. ;-{)
Diablo360x

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Posted: 14 Apr 2016, 16:32
Russ V wrote:
You are partly correct, but I'd argue on the fat part. Americans are addicted to wheat, or what passes for wheat these days. You even have it in your sparsely stocked pantry. Grapes = mostly sugar - glycemic index of 59. Raisins = grapes with the sugar concentrated even more glycemic index of 64, yikes! Soda crackers = glycemic index of 74...holy glucose, Batman! I guess you are right about the sugar addiction thing. By comparison, Peanut M&Ms have a GI of 33. How can that be? Well, the peanuts at GI 7 help. How about some rice cakes? I mean, they taste like styrofoam and are light and fluffy, so they must be good for you, right? Glycemic Index says 84! For crunchy stuff, I prefer carrots, GI 35, bell peppers, GI 40, or Macadamia nuts, GI 10. My suggestion would be to read Wheat Belly by Dr. William Davis...lots of great information on not just America's but the world's addiction to wheat and why food companies try to slip it into anything they can (hint: it's an appetite stimulant). P.S. I'm with you on most of your rant though. ;-{)


Annnd, none of that matters.

All these myths are out of control. Reading that someone has been duped to put fat in their coffee takes the cake. 10/10 thread, would read again.

You know why people get results from LCHF and from high carb moderate fat and ANY other combination? Because of CICO. Some people prefer certain methods, but at the end of the day, you must have a calorie deficit.

People don't want it to be so simple. They need to believe that there is a trick to losing fat. But it is that simple. Simple math.

http://examine.com/faq/what-should-i-eat-for-weight-loss/

Consume whatever foods you prefer, whenever you prefer to consume them, while ensuring nutrient sufficiency and meeting caloric goals.
Diablo360x

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Posted: 14 Apr 2016, 16:34
You only have to follow three simple rules:

- Workout 3 times a week with weights.
- Eat 1g protein / lb lean body mass.
- Reduce calories to lose 1-2 lbs / week.

Success is 100% guaranteed.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=129247741
Consume whatever foods you prefer, whenever you prefer to consume them, while ensuring nutrient sufficiency and meeting caloric goals.
Steven Lloyd

Joined: Jul 15
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Posted: 14 Apr 2016, 20:10
Hey Diablo, how condescending..."You only have to follow three simple rules".... if it were that simple for everyone you would have no one to convert to your way of eating "truth". I must admit that I don't want to get engaged in this endless nonsensical debate between CICO and LCHF ways of eating, but sometimes people who are so myopic that they feel that only their way is the truth rattles my chain...whether they believe that it is CICO or they believe that it is LCHF...it doesn't matter, neither way of eating has a monopoly on success in the diet world.

That CICO is an underlying cause to the weight loss for LCHF is not in dispute, SO WHAT!!!, But it is not the reason LCHF works...it works because people don't feel so hungry that they need to use their willpower 24/7 to not go beserk on the fridge...it works because it limits a lot of calorie dense foods including sugared sodas, it works because of ketosis's fat burning abilities...it works!!!

There are reasons why the Swedish medical system has changed their stance on allowable diet advice, that their Dr's can now, without fear of medical system reprisal, safely administer LCHF diet advice to their patients. There are also many success stories outside of and within the Fat Secret diet world...of people successfully using ketosis to lose 100's of pounds.

Diablo, even your own sources, which you have quoted here before, back up that LCHF can not only work, that LCHF can and does work well. There is also a whole forum section of bodybuilders' , on one of the sites you have mentioned before as a source, that follow ketosis for their cutting part of the bodybuilding program...why? Because it works for them.

Give it a rest, CICO, ya da, ya da, ya da...who really cares how you lose weight as long as it works for you.

I love that an attention deficit disorder, super smart, too much time on his hands, "want to be" author... can stay fit and healthy on grapes and water...good for him (I just made this part up...there is no one like that in the real world).

I love that Diablo can eat a hamburger, twinkles, pizza and beer and lose weight, as long as he follows CICO and the "10-20% allowable indulgence" rules which he never mentions, although it is a clear limiter in one of his recent quoted sources.

I LOVE that HCB, Northernmusicion, Draglist, Mahjohn, Wholefoodnut, Mistybenner, Sugar Waffle, Scalewatcher, Jmb3450, etc, etc, have figured out a way that works for them and they share and support others here without trying to cram their way of eating down my or others' throats. There are MANY more and I deeply apologize as for sure I've missed lots of names that still inspire me and others today, like Blkbear, John10251, RkTkFx, etc.

I also believe that Phil has done way more good than harm in helping others, who are at the end of their "diet rope", try out the LCHF diet, he is the poster child of success on that diet here on FS. Also, the amazing quick change in blood serum that Fred has experienced has not only been remarkable (not unique however) but a life changer for him.

In my books the "proof is in the pudding", don't talk about something, myself included, you know nothing about unless you have walked in that other person's shoes. For clarity, unless you have been morbidly obese, and have lost that weight through diet alone, don't tell me that your diet...even if it is grapes and water...will work for those people....that is at best wrong and at worst a slap in the face and condescending to those folks who struggle with their weight and pre-diabetes or other associated medical conditions and want to make a change but can't. Sure there are those that don't want to change, are "happy" eating 3500 plus calories a day, happy not getting any physical activity (it's hard work), and don't want to change...for them that is their choice, nothing you can do or say can change that (I've got great friends in that place and I feel for them).

Finally; why must we pick a side, let's all get a long and support & celebrate success no matter what it looks like. Sure your way is best...that's great for you...now move on...try helping support others who don't have it as easy as you, that is a way more valuable use of your time.


Steven Lloyd

Joined: Jul 15
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Posted: 14 Apr 2016, 20:54
Hey mdubstep and others...Sorry for the long post...I'm just tired of seeing original posters questions, request for input and/or topic discussion, get sidetracked / hijacked by, in my opinion, pointless "My diet truth is better than your diet truth" discussion...
HCB

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Posted: 14 Apr 2016, 21:02
@StevenLloyd: I used to engage with Diablo360x but he is narcissistic and condescending. It is not worth your effort to try tp reach him...many have encouraged him to be open minded but alas...ridiculously, he continues his simplistic ideas without compassion or understanding of any one else in the universe.
If it is important to you, you will find a way. If not, you will find an excuse.
northernmusi...

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Posted: 14 Apr 2016, 22:26
I'm there with HCB. Diablo hasn't changed his photo in years. He could by now be a 40 year old living in his mom's basement. As for me, I am dogmatic with diet. I believe almost anything will work, for about six weeks. I am dogmatic about protein. That's about it. Everything else is negotiable. I fluctuate all over the place on the other two. I've tried most techniques. In my opinion, calories are king, but I also recognize that between diabetes and hypoglycemia we're all somewhere on a curve, which means some things work better for some people. I like to play with my chemistry set.
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Exercise isn't diet. Diet isn't exercise. Binging trumps exercise.
fred4win

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Posted: 15 Apr 2016, 00:43
I had the same experience of the hunger 2 hours later when on many of the same types of diets talked about here...I do keto now for 4 months mainly due to being a diabetic...no more hunger... below is a 28 minute video that points out why you could be experiencing hunger while trying to diet....i posted this a couple days ago but worth posting again...makes a lot of sense the way it is explained....it is right on of why you maybe experiencing hunger soon after you eat...check it out...maybe your own body is high jacking your nutrition. find out more...copy and paste below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6aMN6NLOTQ
fred
rabbitjb

Joined: Mar 16
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Posted: 15 Apr 2016, 00:47
so none of you think that advising someone who was stated that they have tried low carb and it exacerbated their mental illness is inadvisable at best

I'm still trying to get to grips with the flow of this forum to be honest but if, as stated above, your aims are to help OP ... start by reading their posts

And if you have issues with specific people then speak to them directly

Bloody hell - the damaged children I work with have more guidelines for appropriate behaviour than some people here appear to
jamesmagrude...

Joined: Oct 15
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Posted: 15 Apr 2016, 01:35
bored....




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