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Heather near...

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Posted: 01 Jul 2014, 06:48
Turns out calories matter. Who knew?!
mrspackrat

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Posted: 01 Jul 2014, 11:39
I think some people don't realize that as you lose weight, you also need to decrease calories. I use the formula "current weight x 12" as a rough estimate of calories to maintain you weight. If you weight 175, you need to consumer 2100 to maintain or less if you want to lose weight but say you lose 20 lbs, your calories should drop down to 1860 (155*12).
marksmith176

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Posted: 01 Jul 2014, 11:49
This is absolute nonsense.
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marksmith176

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Posted: 01 Jul 2014, 11:52
If you're losing weight, the goal is to keep lean mass while getting rid of adipose tissue. If you lose fat tissue and keep lean mass, your BMR should stay relatively the same minus the suppression of the metabolic rate due to the controlled starvation that is dieting. Drastic cuts for the sake of lost poundage puts an unnecessary burden on the body when one should strive to lose weight on as many calories as possible. You're formula is complete nonsense.
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Glaun

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Posted: 01 Jul 2014, 13:48
I hate to comment negatively in public, Marksmith. However, either you did not carefully read Mrspackrat comments, or you really enjoy dropping negative bombs into a conversation. In your first post all you can offer is, "This is absolute nonsense". In my humble opinion this is not the best way to start an intelligent conversation. Next you follow up with a comment that contains big words, and a 31 word long sentence that contains this muddled comment, "If you lose fat tissue and keep lean mass, your BMR should stay relatively the same minus the suppression of the metabolic rate due to the controlled starvation that is dieting" (You don't write for Obscure Science Weekly, do you?) Finally you wind up with another encouraging dialogue exchange with,"You're formula is complete nonsense" Smoooth comment Mark!

Mrspackrat absolutely correct in saying to lose weight you must decrease calories. In your reply, I am not sure what you said.
In addition,she qualified her opinion by saying, this is a rough estimate".
It looks from your picture that you are a body builder.(The hand clench in front of the crotch is a dead giveaway). We have many fine body builders on this site, both female and male. The body builder has different goals and strategies to obtain those goals. Most of us are not body builders, but we respect their methods and goals. We count calories and try to keep them below our Recommended Daily Intake RDI. (Now, see how easy that last sentence was to read).
We are a group of people, all of various stages of trying to lose/gain weight. We try to be civil to each other. I am one of the community and have commented on other comments. I have been wrong, and I have been called on my wrongness. But I also still felt OK after reading the correction.
Welcome to the Fat Secret Web Site Mark. (We often think of it as ours).I hope you can continue on with us. I bet you have a lot to offer.I hope to see your posts often here, and have a good discussion.
Glaun
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mrspackrat

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Posted: 03 Jul 2014, 07:35
To Mark, I get your point but my comment probably was directed towards most people. I should have added a disclaimer to my post Smile

LOL Glaun, thanks for having my back. Yes, I'm sure for those fitness fanatics or those who live in the gym, calories aren't as important but for the overweight housewife who's main exercise might be walking, calories can make a big difference. If you lose 20 lbs, you will want to readdress your RDI. Otherwise, why do all the RDI calculators ask for your weight?

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Posted: 03 Jul 2014, 07:58
and this is exactly why I think the body builders should be in a whole different category!!!
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Posted: 03 Jul 2014, 07:59
LMAO at Obscure Science Weekly
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Posted: 03 Jul 2014, 08:28
What online calculators and formulas often fail to take into account is that the fat you carry requires very few calories to maintain it, unlike maintenance of muscle. So if you are 100 pounds overweight, eating to a small deficit calculated from a theoretical BMR based on your weight alone (rather than your ideal body weight) may result in losing no weight or even gaining. Your BMR is more closely related to your ideal body weight than it is to your actual scale weight, if you are significantly obese.

Of course calories count. There are many strategies to create that deficit. The goal is to find one that works for you and leaves you in a place that makes maintenance easier.
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Posted: 04 Jul 2014, 05:54
It has always been plain sense (that we forget) that smaller people need less energy than us bigger folk. The vice versa applies to sedentary vs active people.

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Posted: 04 Jul 2014, 07:13
Glaun wrote:
or you really enjoy dropping negative bombs into a conversation.


I have Googled information on weight loss, muscle building, protein powders, resistance training, etc., and many times have wound up on bodybuilding sites. Name calling, trashing people for asking "stupid questions", and rudeness seem to be the norm. Not all responders behave this way, but I have come across so many responses that are negative, call posters "fa**ot", "f*g", "p**sy" for trying to get information, that I cringe every time I have to go to one of those forum links to find my answer.

To mrspackrat: Bingo! When I started out at 194, I could eat close to 2000 calories per day and lost weight. Now at goal, it's more like 1200/day to maintain.

Goal!

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marksmith176

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Posted: 16 Jul 2014, 09:32
Glaun wrote:
I hate to comment negatively in public, Marksmith. However, either you did not carefully read Mrspackrat comments, or you really enjoy dropping negative bombs into a conversation. In your first post all you can offer is, "This is absolute nonsense". In my humble opinion this is not the best way to start an intelligent conversation. Next you follow up with a comment that contains big words, and a 31 word long sentence that contains this muddled comment, "If you lose fat tissue and keep lean mass, your BMR should stay relatively the same minus the suppression of the metabolic rate due to the controlled starvation that is dieting" (You don't write for Obscure Science Weekly, do you?) Finally you wind up with another encouraging dialogue exchange with,"You're formula is complete nonsense" Smoooth comment Mark!

Mrspackrat absolutely correct in saying to lose weight you must decrease calories. In your reply, I am not sure what you said.
In addition,she qualified her opinion by saying, this is a rough estimate".
It looks from your picture that you are a body builder.(The hand clench in front of the crotch is a dead giveaway). We have many fine body builders on this site, both female and male. The body builder has different goals and strategies to obtain those goals. Most of us are not body builders, but we respect their methods and goals. We count calories and try to keep them below our Recommended Daily Intake RDI. (Now, see how easy that last sentence was to read).
We are a group of people, all of various stages of trying to lose/gain weight. We try to be civil to each other. I am one of the community and have commented on other comments. I have been wrong, and I have been called on my wrongness. But I also still felt OK after reading the correction.
Welcome to the Fat Secret Web Site Mark. (We often think of it as ours).I hope you can continue on with us. I bet you have a lot to offer.I hope to see your posts often here, and have a good discussion.
Glaun
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Hi Glaun,

I just saw this. I apologize if the comment was viewed as negative and it probably was. It was including an expression of frustration when it comes to the nonsense that gets propagated throughout websites.

What happened there is I saw this in my feed that I randomly went on and saw that post and the response of a generic calorie formula that one could "estimate."

Now don't get me wrong, I enjoy intelligent conversation, but that is only possible when both parties are informed.

Here we have a classic example of nonsense being spread on the website.

The post fails to realize then when speaking of weight, (now sit tight, some big words are coming that might be obscure to you), that this weight has a composition: what it's made out of. Now a 200 lb bodybuilder or even a 200 lb not so fat, but not so lean person, will most definitely consume more calories than a person that should really be 140 lbs but is yet 200 lbs.

With this being said, adipose tissue (body fat), does NOT consume calories, unless it is that special brown adipose tissue for any nitpickers out there. It would be unwise, if I were losing weight (say from 200 to 190) on 2100 calories a day, to SIMPLY decrease calories just because I lost weight on the scale. While lean mass consumption is part of dieting, most of the weight lost is hopefully fat. This means we are still left with similar levels of lean mass (nutrient consuming mass) than when we started at 200. Now we have put more strain on the metabolism simply because we lost weight as a function of this fancy "rough estimate" calculator.

Continue this process and you get two things: metabolic damage, and unsustainability. 98% of diets fail within 2 years folks, 90% of those, 98% gain more weight back than when they started. Why? You simply cannot sustain a suppressed metabolic state (1200 calories to maintain are you kidding?) for an extended time.

Now I apologize for my blunt comments hurting feelings, that definitely does suck, but what sucks even more is when someone who obviously has never picked up a nutrition textbook in their lives give advice out on sites like that, possibly putting the person in danger of metabolic damage, and then deem it as "oh it's ok, its just an estimate."

Please, if you don't understand what you're talking about, don't speak about it. You simply do not know.

And I understand bodybuilders are hated in general, especially me because I came off as negative, and I was, I'll own that. But trust me, some of us are masters of composition manipulation (that means keeping muscle and getting rid of fat), so you'd think you'd listen up to some of us.

Take care folks and I'll post every once in a while.

In the end I agree, negativity helps nothing, so I should phrase differently and I apologize for such behavior in a place where EVERYONE needs a little support here and there.
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marksmith176

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Posted: 16 Jul 2014, 09:37
HeyJude602 wrote:
Glaun wrote:
or you really enjoy dropping negative bombs into a conversation.


I have Googled information on weight loss, muscle building, protein powders, resistance training, etc., and many times have wound up on bodybuilding sites. Name calling, trashing people for asking "stupid questions", and rudeness seem to be the norm. Not all responders behave this way, but I have come across so many responses that are negative, call posters "fa**ot", "f*g", "p**sy" for trying to get information, that I cringe every time I have to go to one of those forum links to find my answer.

To mrspackrat: Bingo! When I started out at 194, I could eat close to 2000 calories per day and lost weight. Now at goal, it's more like 1200/day to maintain.


Hey sorry to hear you googled stuff, purchase a college nutrition textbook, they are only 100 dollars.

Your maintenance level for calories isn't inherently a result of weight lost in itself. Yes when you lost weight from 200 to 140, you did lose lots of fat, yes, but unless you are very meticulous, you most likely lost lean mass as well (muscle, lean tissue) as dieting is controlled starvation.

Given this, the body will adapt to diets, this is why its not a good idea to cut calories so low because your body will adapt strongly and STAY there for an extended time. The new 1400 calorie maintenance level is a result of metabolic rate supression, meaning your body has adapted to a lower caloric level for survival and to make room for your increased exercise.

I recommend seeing a professional that can reverse diet you out of this 1400 calorie range and can restore and repair your metabolic rate. I adapted my own from 2900 calories to lose weight from 252 to 203, and then we slowly, over 7 months, increased calories to get me up to now 4300 calories per day with minimal body fat increase.

I hope this helps. A nutritionist will be the best money you spend in your life.

Greatness is a lot of small things done well.



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