How do I get fat without protein?

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Nimm

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Posted: 07 Jul 2011, 14:05
greerp wrote:
Tmk, shoot for 4-6oz of protein per meal if you are a female. If you are a male shoot for 6-8oz per meal. I'm only 5'1" so I eat ~4oz per meal. If I lift weights I bump that up an oz.


4-6 ounces of protein....? Do you mean ounces of meat?
Because 112-168g of straight up protein per meal seems like a wee bit much Smile
liv001

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Posted: 07 Jul 2011, 14:07
May work for some to eat that little but if this person is very big he or she can eat a lot more than that and be fine. In fact the general mainenace of the body may require more protein. No reason to that afraid of protein. When I had the same body mas as Tmk I ate a lot more protein than 4 ounces per meal -
protein has a nice fullness factor that helps me stick to the diet better.
Nimm

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Posted: 07 Jul 2011, 14:18
liv001 wrote:
May work for some to eat that little but if this person is very big he or she can eat a lot more than that and be fine. In fact the general mainenace of the body may require more protein. No reason to that afraid of protein. When I had the same body mas as Tmk I ate a lot more protein than 4 ounces per meal -
protein has a nice fullness factor that helps me stick to the diet better.


I was just being pedantic.
I very much doubt you ate "a lot more protein than 4 ounces per meal." 4 ounces is 113g. That is a monstrous amount of protein per meal....basically double the RDA.

4 ounces of meat is a lot more reasonable (an ounce of meat is not an ounce of protein - an ounce of steak has only about 1/4 ounce of protein, for example. Different meats have different protein by volume. Depends on the meat, and the amount of fat.

Like I said...just being pedantic. Probably shouldn't have Smile
liv001

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Posted: 07 Jul 2011, 14:32
Nimm wrote:
liv001 wrote:
May work for some to eat that little but if this person is very big he or she can eat a lot more than that and be fine. In fact the general mainenace of the body may require more protein. No reason to that afraid of protein. When I had the same body mas as Tmk I ate a lot more protein than 4 ounces per meal -
protein has a nice fullness factor that helps me stick to the diet better.


I was just being pedantic.
I very much doubt you ate "a lot more protein than 4 ounces per meal." 4 ounces is 113g. That is a monstrous amount of protein per meal....basically double the RDA.

4 ounces of meat is a lot more reasonable (an ounce of meat is not an ounce of protein - an ounce of steak has only about 1/4 ounce of protein, for example. Different meats have different protein by volume. Depends on the meat, and the amount of fat.

Like I said...just being pedantic. Probably shouldn't have Smile

clever ha ha
I was actually referring to the person above you and since I think greep and I have read the same books I knew what she was talking about.
But it does not hurt to be very specific for sure.
I probably eat 110 grams of protein per day on average. works fine for me. This is about the same or just slightly less what I ate when I started to lose weight.
greerp

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Posted: 07 Jul 2011, 14:58
Nimm wrote:
greerp wrote:
Tmk, shoot for 4-6oz of protein per meal if you are a female. If you are a male shoot for 6-8oz per meal. I'm only 5'1" so I eat ~4oz per meal. If I lift weights I bump that up an oz.


4-6 ounces of protein....? Do you mean ounces of meat?
Because 112-168g of straight up protein per meal seems like a wee bit much Smile


Yeah, I meant meat. Sorry for the confusion. It is easier to visualize that way. If you are looking at protein ranges here is what is suggested by height straight from the Atkins site:

Recommended Protein Range in Grams for Women
4’9” 63-125
4’10” 64-130
4’11” 65-135
5’0” 66-138
5’1” 68-142
5’2” 70-145
5’3” 71-149
5’4” 73-152
5’5” 75-156
5’6” 76-159
5’7” 78-162
5’8” 80-166
5’9” 81-169
5’10” 83-173
5’11” 85-176
nolechick

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Posted: 08 Jul 2011, 08:32
Just wanted to point out something... many people in the country have now upped their protein intake since Atkins reappeared in the early 2000's and many other plans followed suit (SB, PP, etc.). You would think we'd all end up in the ER going well above the RDI, which is merely a level to not be deficient, and I haven't heard of any crowding of ER's due to kidney failure rates. Maybe I just missed it in the reports. Wink

I don't follow Atkins now, but have in the past. I trend to a moderate carb diet now trying to eat 1 gm per pound of lean body mass, which for my calcs is 125-130 and even reaching that is that is daunting. TMK - Since your only other choices outside of carbs for macros are fat and protein (well, and alcohol, but that isn't nutriative...), I wouldn't be afraid to keep up a higher protein intake. It will help offset some of the muscle wasting for fuel too. Good luck and hopefully all of this info posted on the thread helps you to come to an informed decision. Cool
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binkytexas

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Posted: 13 Sep 2019, 21:26
Just want to add a non Keto comment. As an ESRD dialysis patient with good blood results for 3 years, LOW protein levels are common for people on dialysis. My nephrologist and nurses are constantly telling me to EAT protein! I haven't had to have dialysis protein shakes in 2 1/2 years, but I can tell you that easily 50% of the patients at my center have to drink protein shakes daily. Keep in mind, this is NOT a low carb diet. Just a renal diet with protein supplements. Most people at my center have 15% or less kidney function, so this wouldn't apply to people that can safely do a Keto diet. Happy dieting friends!
Diablo360x

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Posted: 15 Sep 2019, 06:57
Oh man, protein is king. Don't avoid it. Also, nice necro bump.
Consume whatever foods you prefer, whenever you prefer to consume them, while ensuring nutrient sufficiency and meeting caloric goals.



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