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DoftheKing

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Posted: 17 Apr 2013, 14:47
Going to try and restrict my protein in hopes that I will experience weight loss with 20 or less carbs. Been doing this for a long time with no success. Dr. Rosedale (and others) suggest protein sparing and higher fat so I'll try that. I had been eating between 70-100 grams of animal protein (not counting incomplete proteins from veggies) but when doing the calculations that Dr. Rosedale recommends I should be eating around 51 grams. Will try that until I see my Dr. in a few days.

I have tried everything else, thought Atkins would help. I eat no fruit, dairy, grain, sugar or sugar substitutes, caffeine, gluten. All my food is weighed and measured on a digital scale.
eKatherine

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Posted: 17 Apr 2013, 19:05
According to your diet calendar you are eating more than your RDI every day. Consider reducing the calories you eat down to less than 100%.
DoftheKing

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Posted: 17 Apr 2013, 23:00
Yes I keep changing my calorie counts, the problem is I get sick (dizzy, nauseous, headache) when my calories are lower (1400 or less)and I didn't lose weight when I did that for extended periods...just felt terrible. If I count calories I should lose 2 lbs a week eating 1600...but that never happened. I am experiencing adrenal/cortisol and hormonal imbalances, lots of stress and extended work hours (I'm a musician and often work very late at night and then early in the morning as well. I do appreciate everyone's input. This has been going on for over a year now as far as my health issues and the weight gain. Weight as been about the same since Dec. at least not gaining since then, but I had hoped to lose most of the 30lbs I wanted to lose.
Carb Tracker...

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Posted: 18 Apr 2013, 00:26
Hi,
I was just peeking in behind Katherine, and was wondering if you are doing Atkins where you are in the plan? I don't see but one day in your diet calendar where you were even in the 20 gram range.
If you're up to it, I would suggest aiming for under 10 net carbs a day for a week. Keep your fat ratio up, followed by protein. Make sure you DRINK WATER. As much as you can, aim for 64 oz but don't force it.
Seriously, what can a week hurt? If you aren't sure what an under 10 gram day looks like, feel free to dig through my diet calendar, it's open to everyone.
I've had a much slower go of it this time, but it IS going, and that's the goal Smile
Best wishes to you,
Gina
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DoftheKing

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Posted: 18 Apr 2013, 01:10
You are seeing total carbs and not net carbs, if there is a way to show net carbs let me know. I see them in my daily entries, but in the calendar carbs are listed as total. My net carbs are always below or at 20, sometimes lower and I have thought about lowering them more. I also check my blood sugars regularly to see how food reacts even low carb. Yes you are right about the water and I fill a pitcher with it and make sure I drink it all...64oz
Thanks for your help
Carb Tracker...

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Posted: 18 Apr 2013, 03:12
Okay,
I went back through your daily calendar. You are correct, most everyday you were on/at/around 20g.
I don't know your age or level of activity, but I will tell you mine. I am 58 and on average walk 4 miles in an hour, 6 days a week. Other than that my activity comes from taking care of our property and driving our kids all over creation. I get no other structured exercise.
This is my second round with Atkins, the first was over 25 years ago where I lost 35lbs in 13 weeks and kept it off for over 20 years.
THIS TIME around things are a lot different. I attribute it to age. I am losing, but very slowly and I have been under 5 net grams a day for 90 days and am now watching calories too.
After reading your dailies, my gut reaction would be to cut out all the nuts first. The second thought is are you drinking ANYTHING with aspartame. Those two things (nuts and aspartame) have been known to derail people. I know you said no sugar/sugar substitutes, but check the ingredients on everything you are eating... just to be sure.
Next, are you in ketosis? Do you check, and how often?
Other than those things, I'm afraid I am of no help. Quite honestly though, I have never seen Atkins fail. You might just have to back up to absolute zero and start over. At a 90 day mark of 5 net carbs a day I have just now reached the 20lb loss mark. Is it what Atkins did for me before? No. Am I the same as the last time? No. BUT, I am losing and I feel confident that you can too. Give it and yourself a chance... you deserve it!
Gina
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Krhfy6

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Posted: 18 Apr 2013, 15:29
When I get stuck I have found that it's not always about carb count or calorie count, it is about ratio. Try to make your pie graph say that at least 75% of your day came from fat, 5-7%carbs and the rest protein. On days when I slip off of this, I see zero results, and if I do it for more than a day or 2 in a week, I will get significant weight gain. I try to never get below 65%fat and aim for 80%. If you reduce the carbs, you have to add fat in so your body doesn't go into starvation mode. I eat lots of macadamia nuts, pepperoni, salami, avocado, cream cheese, coconut oil, brie, and butter. If I'm going to eat a vegetable I just make sure to cook it in coconut oil or butter, this balances out the carbs. I quit "counting" my carbs and started paying closer attention to ratio, even days when I eat 1800 calories, I will see weight loss or at least not weight gain if I had the ratio correct. Hope this helps!
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mummydee

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Posted: 18 Apr 2013, 17:10
I don't eat nuts in induction at all. or Atkins bars even if they say they're okay. So many things can affect different people in a different way. Have you had your thyroid checked, I hope if you're under a dr's care that they would've done this. Different nuts and seeds have different percentages of fat, protein and carbohydrate. It is not recommend eating them during the first two weeks of Induction. But after that if you are continuing to lose steadily, you can try introducing some. Note, however, that nuts and seeds may contain mold, which could trigger an allergic response.
If it is a plant, eat it, if it comes from a plant, don't!
DoftheKing

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Posted: 18 Apr 2013, 22:36
I soak and dehydrate my nuts for that same reason! There is so little that I can eat that I added nuts as a protein substitute on days that I cannot eat meat. I am allergic to dairy and I never eat fruit...I have to eat something Smile thanks for your help, I have had my blood work done and will get some feedback on it Friday.
DoftheKing

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Posted: 18 Apr 2013, 22:41
Yes I think you are correct about keeping ratios in order and I am trying to do that. Thank you for your help!
mummydee

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Posted: 19 Apr 2013, 05:30
Have you tried Spirulina? it's a very good protein to take if you say you cant eat meat sometimes. Won't help with the hunger, but will give you some protein. And if you have a crazy schedule like i sometimes have, working late etc. I find that grazing works for me, I eat every 2 hours,something small, not full meals as we usually do and it stops me from the shakes or dizziness happening. Good luck with the dr. today.
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Krhfy6

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Posted: 19 Apr 2013, 08:32
mummydee have you been able to find some spirulina that doesn't taste awful. The stuff I had I couldn't even choke down in a berry rich smoothie.
Sometimes life is not about what we can't have, it is about what we can have and learning to love it. I do not miss you bread.
mummydee

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Posted: 20 Apr 2013, 04:20
I take it in capsules. Krhfy6 I can imagine that the powder would be too strong to put in a smoothie. I also eat roasted seaweed sheets that are sold in the sushi dept. of our store and I take kelp, I have a low thyroid .
If it is a plant, eat it, if it comes from a plant, don't!
DoftheKing

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Posted: 20 Apr 2013, 07:36
Yes I have dulse flakes that I shake on eggs and salad
eKatherine

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Posted: 20 Apr 2013, 11:38
Carb Tracker for Gina wrote:
Hi,
I was just peeking in behind Katherine, and was wondering if you are doing Atkins where you are in the plan? I don't see but one day in your diet calendar where you were even in the 20 gram range.
If you're up to it, I would suggest aiming for under 10 net carbs a day for a week. Keep your fat ratio up, followed by protein. Make sure you DRINK WATER. As much as you can, aim for 64 oz but don't force it.
Seriously, what can a week hurt? If you aren't sure what an under 10 gram day looks like, feel free to dig through my diet calendar, it's open to everyone.
I've had a much slower go of it this time, but it IS going, and that's the goal Smile
Best wishes to you,
Gina


I have tried the Atkins induction a couple of times. At the moment I am doing a JUDDD alternate day eating plan where I have 2 good meals a day on my up days: lunch is very low carb, meat, cheese, and low-starch vegetable (usually kimchi), and supper is low fat high carb, which includes rice, potatoes, and usually a few bites of chocolate or other dessert. My down days are usually a small meal or a couple of snacks.

I never eat breakfast, drinking only water or plain (weak) tea. I exercise fasted in the morning and do not eat until lunchtime. Exercising on an empty stomach burns fat, which is my goal.

Intermittent fasting is working for me. I have tried a couple of different patterns, and I am losing weight and getting leaner.
feeling...

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Posted: 20 Apr 2013, 11:50
Are you sure about exercising on an empty stomach burning fat? There is a whole article posted in one of my groups years ago from a sumo wrestler trainer that states they train on an empty stomach to GAIN weight. Since reading that, I make sure to eat a little something before I go on my walk in the morning. Do you have any data on that?
ebivr

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Posted: 20 Apr 2013, 13:44
I think there's pros & cons to exercising fasted. Pros, you'll be burning up glycogen stores (especially useful if you're on a low carb diet & trying to get into ketosis) & fat. Cons, you'll be lacking in a good surge of energy from the food you eat to help fuel & sustain you, affecting your ability to work harder & longer. & might affect muscle growth if you're trying to tone up or gain muscle.

I think it's good that the next meal after exercising faste is protein based & this is more likely to aid in muscle recovery without piling on the fat that eating carbs after exercising would do. Though if you wanna grow big muscles then you'll need carbs as well as protein.
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Posted: 20 Apr 2013, 15:56
I don't fast, ever, as my Dr. won't allow it. He has a list of negatives but I'm sure all the fasters have heard them before.
That said, I walk 4mph/hour for and hour and 15 or 30 minutes at least 5 days a week before breakfast, unless something prevents it. I never considered that to be fasting, as I stil eat breakfast by 9:30 or 10 am. The only reason I don't eat before is that it makes me sick at my stomach if I get hot and sweaty just after I eat.... AND I'm NOT getting up at 5am to eat.. LOL..it can wait!
Katherine...there is NO doubt that your way is working for you! Congratulations to you, you are almost there Smile I think it's important for people to know how many different ways and variations there are in this world. There is truly a good way for everyone. Yours might just be the answer for him.
The important thing is to never give up. If you know you are giving a specific diet 110% and you are not losing or worse, you ARE gaining, switch diets. If you have the perserverance to stick to it then you should have no problem changing. Honesty, I know most people can lose weight on Atkins even if they are immobile, but I personally, think the key to any weight loss is exercise, regardless of how minimal.
Here's hoping everyone finds what works for them quickly and effortlessly and let the others of us always be willing to share what works for EACH of us. Thanks Katherine! (ps I like your new pic!)
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