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randyhudson

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Posted: 18 May 2016, 07:53
I am a 52 year old male. Height 5'9" and I just finished Phase 1 of the HCG protocol. I went from 234 to 209 in 29 days and still have 2 days left of the 500 cal. diet. My question is this: I am being told by my HCG adviser to stay at 209 for at least 4 weeks to stabilize or reset my body. However I am 15 real pounds short of my goal and I still have a sufficient amount of body fat in my belly and love handles. I have read where people transition into Adkins or "The 4 hour body" diet after completing phase 1 in order to continue the weight loss. So I have been down the yoyo road before.....If I decide to continue the diet can I go into "maintenance" mode AFTER I have hit my goal weight? I have learned a lot on Phase 1, it has worked, but I am not where I need to be yet.....I simply hate to lose the momentum now that I am on a roll.
jimmiepop

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Posted: 19 May 2016, 17:10
Why would you stop if you have the will to continue and have yet to hit your goal?

There is nothing magic about the the 30/45 day hcG diet timelines. Lots of voodoo beliefs and practices in the hcG community. I ran for months last year. Same results with and without hcG, btw. Diet is driving your losses, not hcG. Not that it matters...
mrkmurski

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Posted: 19 May 2016, 17:50
All HCG does is keep your sugar levels from spiking. You can keep them from spiking by eating every 2 to 2 and half hours. You can buy HCG online and do it yourself.
jimmiepop

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Posted: 19 May 2016, 20:38
revilo semaj wrote:
I'm new to this Hcg thing. Is there any science to it? Is it safe? Are there side effects, long or short term. Is it hype based on some remote plausible data. I just saw an OZ episode where they had some person (doctor?) stating that she has done numerous studies.

That is always a red flag for me - "numerous studies". I know no two humans are the same exactly but there still should be only one study needed, followed by a clear chemical explanation as to how injecting these chemicals actually work.

What precisely are the chemicals doing when they enter your body? The person on the show never spoke to any of that - all she is doing is charting weight loss by patients on this method - a method that includes a dramatic restrictive limit of daily caloric intake. And again, some hate when I use the word duh, but duh.

Have they done this HCG thing with anyone while not limiting their calories? That would be interesting - for those looking for some magic remedy. But if there is no magic but rather some expensive questionable product that you are being asked to inject into your body - while eating such a low amount of food each day - what's the point?

Not a rhetorical question - what's the point?


The diet is quite effective. Its clearly the diet, not the hcg, driving the losses. Its not expensive and may have some placebo effect in terms of appetite control, which is one of the central claims proponents make. Google Dr. Simmons "Pounds and Inches" and look for a pdf. That's the guide authored by the diet doc that originally promoted this back in the 50s. All the groupies hang out on the forums at hcgdietinfo.com. The only measurable biochem effect that I could discern is that hcG boosts test in men, which is of benefit on such a severe cut.
mrkmurski

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Posted: 19 May 2016, 21:02
What they do not tell you about a calorie deficient diet is that it eats all your muscle. If you are a man you well have a look of all lose skin. Read about calorie deficient dieting online. Plus for every pound of muscle you gain it will burn more calories throughout the day. High protein low complex carbs is the only way to go. General rule of thumb 1 gram of protein for every pound you are. . So, if your weight is 200 pounds you would eat 200 grams of protein. Same for the ladies as well. HCG will turn on your natural testosterone as well keep your blood sugar from spiking.
knuckles the...

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Posted: 19 May 2016, 21:14
MrKmurski, that is not true. Don't fall for the lies. It isn't the diet that causes muscle wasting. It is disuse. Not using muscle causes you to lose it. you will not waste away from Calorie deficit. Unless you just STOP eating completely. Look up Dr. Eric Jung.
knuckles the...

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Posted: 19 May 2016, 21:23
Oh HELL no. I have not nor will I ever inject anything. I hope nobody else will. Unless it is needed to sustain life. Not even testosterone. We live in a cycle for a reason. We are born we age, we grow old and we die. It is the way of things. Why would I want to extend my life just to be a producer for the government till I die. Forget that noise.
rabbitjb

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Posted: 20 May 2016, 04:27
HCG is an ineffective fad diet based on extremely low calories and anybody would be well advised to avoid it

It's potentially dangerous

https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-hcg-diet-yet-another-ineffective-quick-fix-diet-plan-and-supplement/

"So does the HCG Diet Work?

Any weight loss from the HCG diet is actually due to the dramatic calorie restriction required as part of the diet plans — in some cases, as low as 500 calories per day. This near-starvation diet is dramatically below appropriate levels for weight loss or maintenance, and escalates the risk of malnutrition if prolonged. Even if it wasn’t immediately harmful, a 500kcal diet is simply unsustainable. Weight maintenance is the real challenge with obesity."
Steven Lloyd

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Posted: 20 May 2016, 10:20
Thanks for the post and link Rabbit...I didn't know much about the HCG diet but had assumed it probably was another marketing driven, diet fix, based on the severe calorie restrictive element that had to be part of the "fix". Great background history, info and references re the HCG "science" and claims. Thanks again!
knuckles the...

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Posted: 20 May 2016, 15:59
Just WOW.
jimmiepop

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Posted: 20 May 2016, 16:09
rabbitjb wrote:
HCG is an ineffective fad diet based on extremely low calories and anybody would be well advised to avoid it

It's potentially dangerous

https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-hcg-diet-yet-another-ineffective-quick-fix-diet-plan-and-supplement/

"So does the HCG Diet Work?

Any weight loss from the HCG diet is actually due to the dramatic calorie restriction required as part of the diet plans — in some cases, as low as 500 calories per day. This near-starvation diet is dramatically below appropriate levels for weight loss or maintenance, and escalates the risk of malnutrition if prolonged. Even if it wasn’t immediately harmful, a 500kcal diet is simply unsustainable. Weight maintenance is the real challenge with obesity."



This is nonsense. Have you done it? No. I have. You continue to slam the VLCD in spite of the fact that you have no direct experience. I have run a VLCD with good success, and have both data and pics. It is not intrinsically dangerous and does not require liver scans or any of that other BS you recommend.

For the record, I am not recommending that anyone else do this, but it can be very effective and executed safely.
jimmiepop

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Posted: 20 May 2016, 16:12
philmck wrote:
Didn't that Kevin Trudeau guy go to prison for promoting an HCG diet? I bought a copy of "The Weight Loss Cure THEY Don't Want You To Know About" from one of my local resale shops, got it on "Dime Day", it was worth ten cents for the unintentional comedy. If memory serves me correctly Trudeau was advocating drinking urine from pregnant women. Hey, I consider what I've done over the last year pretty hardcore, but I can't top that!


Trudeau's a scam artist. He pirated the idea from this diet doc from the 50s, Simmons.
rabbitjb

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Posted: 20 May 2016, 16:21
jimmiepop wrote:
rabbitjb wrote:
HCG is an ineffective fad diet based on extremely low calories and anybody would be well advised to avoid it

It's potentially dangerous

https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-hcg-diet-yet-another-ineffective-quick-fix-diet-plan-and-supplement/

"So does the HCG Diet Work?

Any weight loss from the HCG diet is actually due to the dramatic calorie restriction required as part of the diet plans — in some cases, as low as 500 calories per day. This near-starvation diet is dramatically below appropriate levels for weight loss or maintenance, and escalates the risk of malnutrition if prolonged. Even if it wasn’t immediately harmful, a 500kcal diet is simply unsustainable. Weight maintenance is the real challenge with obesity."



This is nonsense. Have you done it? No. I have. You continue to slam the VLCD in spite of the fact that you have no direct experience. I have run a VLCD with good success, and have both data and pics. It is not intrinsically dangerous and does not require liver scans or any of that other BS you recommend.

For the record, I am not recommending that anyone else do this, but it can be very effective and executed safely.


I don't need to walk in front of a car or take hard drugs to know its inadvisable.

I simply occasionally try to bring facts and relevant science into this domain which seems driven by faddish extremes, but whether you decide to read links or bother to research further is totally your decision
jimmiepop

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Posted: 20 May 2016, 16:26
rabbitjb wrote:


I don't need to walk in front of a car to know its inadvisable


Which is it "inadvisable" or "dangerous"?

jimmiepop

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Posted: 20 May 2016, 16:27
philmck wrote:
Nothing wrong with a severe calorie restriction but I can't imagine anyone wanting to drink pee-pee.


I never heard of that in a diet context. There is this weird yogi guy in cali who runs a pee drinking retreat weekend. I have my children to thank for the acquisition of that knowledge
rabbitjb

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Posted: 20 May 2016, 16:27
jimmiepop wrote:
rabbitjb wrote:


I don't need to walk in front of a car to know its inadvisable


Which is it "inadvisable" or "dangerous"?



Why not both ?

Also please don't misquote me, you're not a tabloid ...I said "potentially dangerous"

jimmiepop

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Posted: 20 May 2016, 16:32
rabbitjb wrote:


I simply occasionally try to bring facts and relevant science into this domain which seems driven by faddish extremes, but whether you decide to read links or bother to research further is totally your decision


What you, my dear, consistently bring to the conversation is diet hectoring and condescension all wrapped up in the pretense of "facts and relevant science."

knuckles the...

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Posted: 20 May 2016, 16:33
Faddish Extremes? I am kind of curious which system you are speaking of.
jimmiepop

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Posted: 20 May 2016, 16:34
rabbitjb wrote:


Which is it "inadvisable" or "dangerous"?


Why not both ?



Because it is simply untrue to claim that a VLCD is "dangerous."

Don't you pose on here as an advocate for diet truth?
jimmiepop

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Posted: 20 May 2016, 16:36
rabbitjb wrote:

Also please don't misquote me ...I said "potentially dangerous"



Crop dusting the Squat Rack is "potentially dangerous." Please feel free to take whatever liberties you may care in quoting me on that.



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