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Willtryforli...

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Posted: 20 Nov 2013, 18:35
Mjgh06, I find the less carbs I eat, the less I want to eat them, which is fine by me. I prefer that over "the more I eat, the more I want to eat".

But at 1500 calories, I feel deprived, on a diet, and not happy about it. Around 1700 calories works best mentally and physically. But for now, I'm sticking to a lower number, because I'm afraid to gain weight if I go higher.
Willtryforli...

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Posted: 20 Nov 2013, 18:39
Orangesmartie92, in a way, doing Atkins, I'm already "depriving" myself from sugar, bread, pasta, etc. It doesn't feel like a sacrifice at all though, more like a liberation.

So I don't mind being "liberated" from carbs,as long as I'm happy. Not too happy at 1500 calories. But if it's what it takes (I still don't know the right formula for me), I can do it for a while. Low carb is absolutely the way to go for me; I can't see myself being chained to the carb wagon ever again - but who knows, life is a mysterious ride.
Ledunkley

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Posted: 20 Nov 2013, 20:43
To think that your body does not need CHO, is a myth. CHO is the body's primary source of energy and the source that the body uses most efficiently. CHO does not come from starches solely, if you are on 10 g daily, where are your fruits, dairy, vegetables. As a Registered Dietitian, I would suggest that you return to WW or get professional advice from a registered dietitian, which your insurance should cover. If not, most of us have fairly reasonable rates for a consult.
If you are constantly hungry, it is possible that your body is starving, it needs energy which you need to provide from the food you eat.
Psychologically I think that you need to not obsess over these last 6 lbs. At 1500 calories, the recommended breakdown is 45 - 55% CHO, 20 -25% prot and 30% fat. Get most of your CHO from whole grains, fruit, vegetables, dairy.
Mjgh06

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Posted: 20 Nov 2013, 21:50
Willtry, I really don't think the calories will hurt you. I have seen people on Atkins go really, I mean Really high calorie and as long as they don't go over their CCL they still lose weight.

Oranges and Ledunkley, I won't discuss the science of CHO or the SAD. I have done my research and so has my doctor who I have faith in. To each their own- what works for some doesn't work for others. Luckily my doctor and nutritionist are both aware of my diet and are on board with it. They are the ones that steered me to this woe. My breakdown is 74%fat/23%Protein/3%carbs.
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10JenS

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Posted: 21 Nov 2013, 03:28
Read up on metabolic damage. You are only eating enough calories for your body to function (if you stay in bed all day). You need to eat more.

I was eating 1200 a day and burning off around 200-800calories a day. I was starving my body and didn't realize it so my weight loss plateaued.

I now try and eat around 1800cals a day and still exercise but I have started losing weight again which is great!
Willtryforli...

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Posted: 21 Nov 2013, 11:44
Mjgh06 wrote:
I won't discuss the science of CHO or the SAD.


I tend to agree. I'm new to this forum, but it doesn't make sense to comment on a diet you're not following.
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Posted: 21 Nov 2013, 13:33
You can easily google a lot of 'trend' diets and which one is preferable. Between low fat vs low carb diets, here's what i found, which might explain why you are feeling so hungry at 1500 calories:

"A low carb diet will allow you to eat only small amounts of food, considering that fat and proteins have a high caloric intake. On the other hand, a low fat diet will allow you to eat higher quantities of fruits and vegetables, provided these have a low glycemic index. This means that you are likely to be hungry when on a low carb diet, while on a low fat diet you can eat more foods with a lower caloric index."

I've been on a medication that made me gain a lot of weight, and what helped me to lose it, was to stop consuming too much salty foods. A lot of the great tasting foods have MSG or something of the like, which makes people want to eat more it, thus making you feel more hungry. The less you have of it, the less you want it. Honestly, I can say that this is true, at least to me.

Mjgh06: The best kind way to lose weight is to go on a lifestyle change, and i'm sorry, but that sounds like a diet that will plateau your weight. I understand what it's like to be on medication and keep gaining weight because of it (I've had prednisone before) and i had gone up to 150 pounds even when I was eating very little. I got off the evil medicine only a month ago and am now, checking today, at 122 pounds. I always thought eating little will make you lose weight, but that's not the case. You really screw up your metabolism. I eat a whole lot right now, and I don't gain. Heck i'm having starbucks latte and a chocolate banana cake right now. Carbs do NOT make you fat. If you have too much of it, obviously, you will gain weight, but having a considerable amount will not cause you to gain weight.
mummydee

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Posted: 21 Nov 2013, 16:54
Orangesmarti, I think you need to do a little more reading to understand the Atkins approach, and the pros and cons of a high fat/low fat diet, Atkins is not a trend diet. It has been out since the early 70's and has just improved with age.
A low carb eating plan with high fat and proteins will keep you full and satiated all day and no need to pile on the calories, I eat 800 - 1200 depending and I am never hungry and get all my nutrients just fine.
but a low fat diet is usually more sugars, whether processed or natural, you spike your glycemic level , get instant energy and then crashes, so you need more carbs to get up there again.

The original poster has not posted their food on the diet calendar so we can't see exactly what they're eating and therefore cannot really advise what is going on.

Saying Carbs do not make you fat is just wrong. Fat does not make you fat , sugar does, and maybe you can eat your Latte and chocolate banana cake and at 122 lbs, i would too, but many cannot.
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/brainwaves/2013/07/15/is-sugar-really-toxic-sifting-through-the-evidence/
http://www.eatnakednow.com/eatnaked/2013/05/08/the-fat-question-why-fat-doesnt-make-you-fat/
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/mar/20/sugar-deadly-obesity-epidemic

but as previously stated, everyone has to find what works for them, some can't do low carb, I can't live any other way....
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Mjgh06

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Posted: 21 Nov 2013, 20:55
Orangesmarti, I can tell you really care and are coming from a place where your experiences gear you towards the opinion you hold. But I really hope you do more research before making statements about carbs being okay for people and not making you fat, especially when you may not know what illnesses they have or what meds they are on. Your quote from FitDay is very inaccurate, and if you read the comments on there you see most of the people disagreed with the article.

Talk to any doctor who is worth their salt that knows about glucose spikes. Sugars and Carbs cause blood sugar spikes and can be very dangerous for a person with diabetes or pre-diabetic which I am along with many other illnesses. For those who are not diabetic, Atkins does progressively allow you to add back in some fruits and even nuts.

Atkins diet was created by an actual doctor- Dr. Robert Atkins, a cardiologist, and he helped so many people who had heart issues, diabetes and other illnesses. You can eat high calories on this diet, even though so many find that they never need to eat high calories. Most people on Atkins diet eat more servings of vegetables than on any other diet.

Here is an in-depth research article showing 23 different studies and their results on low carb versus low fat diet and the benefits of low carb eating. 23 Studies on Low carb versus Low Fat

The one thing you did say that was I totally agree with is "The best kind way to lose weight is to go on a lifestyle change". Atkins is a lifestyle change and it is becoming more and more recognized globally as a better way of living than the previously held belief of high carb diets. I know you are still under that impression and most likely nothing anyone here anyone says will change your mind. But the more you open your mind and learn by talking to actual people on Atkins and doctors who are familiar with it(Atkins has been around since the mid 1960's), you will see how wrong your ideas are. It is not a trend or fad diet. It is based on good, sound, scientific research, and time and time again it has been proven to have so many health benefits and help bring people back to a healthy state even after being diagnosed with illness. Many go from being handcuffed to taking medications every day for the rest of their life to being able to reduce or even eliminate those same meds after changing to the Atkins way of life. You will never find even one scientific study that can prove the Atkins diet is unhealthy or bad for you; but you will find many that show its benefits.

I am sorry you had such a bad episode with predisone. I do not know the reason you took it, but I can say I also took predisone for many years due to one of my illnesses. I have also taken diabetic medicines, thyroid medicines, heart medicines, seizure medicines, antidepressants, and a whole lot of other meds, most of which cause weight gain. While I commend you for being able to get off your med, I can not just do away with or stop my meds without major side effects. This woe will allow me to eventually reduce and eliminate some or even most of the meds I am on.
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reddarin

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Posted: 21 Nov 2013, 22:12
orangesmartie92 wrote:
You can easily google a lot of 'trend' diets and which one is preferable. Between low fat vs low carb diets, here's what i found, which might explain why you are feeling so hungry at 1500 calories:

"A low carb diet will allow you to eat only small amounts of food, considering that fat and proteins have a high caloric intake. On the other hand, a low fat diet will allow you to eat higher quantities of fruits and vegetables, provided these have a low glycemic index. This means that you are likely to be hungry when on a low carb diet, while on a low fat diet you can eat more foods with a lower caloric index."

I've been on a medication that made me gain a lot of weight, and what helped me to lose it, was to stop consuming too much salty foods. A lot of the great tasting foods have MSG or something of the like, which makes people want to eat more it, thus making you feel more hungry. The less you have of it, the less you want it. Honestly, I can say that this is true, at least to me.

Mjgh06: The best kind way to lose weight is to go on a lifestyle change, and i'm sorry, but that sounds like a diet that will plateau your weight. I understand what it's like to be on medication and keep gaining weight because of it (I've had prednisone before) and i had gone up to 150 pounds even when I was eating very little. I got off the evil medicine only a month ago and am now, checking today, at 122 pounds. I always thought eating little will make you lose weight, but that's not the case. You really screw up your metabolism. I eat a whole lot right now, and I don't gain. Heck i'm having starbucks latte and a chocolate banana cake right now. Carbs do NOT make you fat. If you have too much of it, obviously, you will gain weight, but having a considerable amount will not cause you to gain weight.



Wait. That blurb doesn't make a lick of sense. Calories are important because they represent the energy in the food that must be used, stored or excreted by the body. If what they are saying is correct then we could all live on those zero calorie fishy nasty noodles because we'd feel full from eating them. Is there a dieter alive that doesn't know first hand the difference between satiety and acutely feeling full?

Also, "fat and protein"?? Protein has the same 4 calories per gram as carbs.

Being hungry on LC is unusual not the norm. One of the big benefits of LC is that you don't have to feel starved to lose weight.

What is a "lower caloric index"?

Why does the glycemic index matter if you are eating low cal low fat foods? I mean, the important thing, per that person, is quantity which results in satiety as contrasted with a tiny but high calorie LC meal. How is the GI relevant?

You say this: "i had gone up to 150 pounds even when I was eating very little"...

And then you say this: "Carbs do NOT make you fat".

You have first hand experience with the fact that the way your body regulates energy usage and storage can be deranged. For you it happened because of a hormone you were taking. Did you know that carbs affect a metabolic hormone? Insulin goes up when you eat carbs even in a normal person. If your insulin regulation is deranged then carbs will indeed make you fat.
reddarin

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Posted: 21 Nov 2013, 22:52
Ledunkley wrote:
To think that your body does not need CHO, is a myth.


In fact, you are wrong. There is no such thing as an "essential carb". There are essential fats and essential amino acids (protein). You could live just fine on zero carbs because your body can create whatever sugar you need from the fat and protein you eat.

Ledunkley wrote:
CHO is the body's primary source of energy and the source that the body uses most efficiently.


This is only true *if* you eat enough carbs to make it true. If you restrict your carbs enough your body will switch over to using ketones for fuel and be more efficient too.

Ledunkley wrote:
where are your fruits, dairy, vegetables.


Generally speaking you just do not need much of these in your diet. You certainly do not have to have hundreds of grams of carbs worth daily.
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Posted: 21 Nov 2013, 23:25
I have found the biggest problem with low carb diets is that people don't know what carbs are.

Sugar, bread, pasta, pizza, rice, potatoes, cake, crisps, milk chocolate, confectionery, alcohol... These are all carbs. Bad bad carbs.

Vegetables, salads, fruit and dairy also contain carbs but they are healthy carbs.

Fats also have good and bad. Deep fried anything is not good. Avocado and nuts, butter and coconut oils are good. A little olive oil over a salad will fill you up for longer.

When I don't eat food containing sugars (bread, pasta, pastries, cakes, pizza, candy...) I don't crave them and I don't get hungry as often. When I eat one cup cake I want another 10. Just like an alcoholic can't stop after 1 beer.

Trust me once you hit 40yrs you will know if the food you have been eating was good or bad for you. That is when its really hard to drop the extra weight and also when you your Dr will start diagnosing you with diseases like high cholesterol and diabetes. And another 20 years on its Alzheimer's.. All has been linked to high carb consumption.

I have been following a high fat low carb diet for 4 months now and I have lost 8kg gradually. Yes I have hit plateaus but I have overcome them by re assessing my diet and then always find that when I stray I gain.

My grandmother and my father had/has type 2diabetes (insulin resistance). By cutting out high carb foods my father was able to reverse his diagnosis over time. Unfortunately in the 1990's Dr's were still strongly advocating high carb diets so my grandmother died half blind from type 2 diabetes. My mother in law has been in and out of hospitals 3 times in the last 3 years with diabetes related illness, one of which was kidney failure. Her diet has been adjusted to exclude high carbs and she has not been hospitalised in over 18 months. She is now 79.

So for me, yes, a high carb diet is bad.
Nicky
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Posted: 22 Nov 2013, 00:13
I have recently purchased "The Carb Nite Solution," and I am very eager to try it out. The problem I have(and I feel really stupid admitting this!)is that I don't understand why J. Kiefer makes the distinction between F, F+, P, P+ and N. I know the F is fat, P is protein and N is neutral. I thought maybe it had to do with the number of grams of fat, for example, with F+ being over a certain amount,but some of the F foods have more than F+ foods. Also, what exactly does he mean by "neutral" foods? I truly feel totally embarassed not being able to figure this out, as I have never seen anyone else ask this question!!! Any help anyone can give me would be very greatly appreciated!!!! Thanks!!
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Posted: 22 Nov 2013, 07:07
Azure, you posted your question on an Atkins topic, but I will provide you with the information I know. I read the book awhile ago so may not have advice on everything you are wanting.

Carb Nite is basically a combination of Atkins, Juddd and IF. You keep your carbs under 30 but are allowed a free day once a week to eat what you want. I believe there is a 10 day induction period from what I remember where you stay low carb. On the 'Carb Nite' women are recommended to stay low fat while men do not have to. On low carb days no sugars or sugar alcohols are allowed, but many people do not follow the no sugar alcohols rule. There's a lot of other rules especially regarding workouts and fasting. Overall I found the information in the book to vague. There is a spreadsheet in the book that lists a lot of foods by the F F+, P P+, and N what that means is Fat and Fat with something else, Protein and Protein with something else, and then Neutral. This is because many foods have more than one macro and this helps you identify them.

Now my personal observations of the program. It is a very good diet for people who workout if they build their Carb Nite around their workout schedule. It will help them get the extra energy boost needed and help them build LMM faster and lose excess fat. But it is not a good program for others because of the insulin spikes. Continual Insulin spikes cause damage to the body's systems and can be deadly for diabetics. So health-wise not so great for the normal non-workout person. If you go to the carbnite website you can see his graph that he shows of the insulin spikes. They are horrible! I would be in the hospital with those type of spikes. So I think the program is okay for bodybuilders and those who have a workout program but not for normal, healthy that do not work out and definitely not healthy for persons already with health issues.
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Mjgh06

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Posted: 22 Nov 2013, 07:14
Hey Nicky - Good post. If you miss pizza, I AM a pizza Lover, I have a wonderful really low carb pizza recipe using a cheese crust - no flour. It is Delish! My family loves it more than any restaurant chain pizza.
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Posted: 22 Nov 2013, 07:18
Thank you Reddarin for your post. I should be more willing to do like you did and get into the specifics of other's posts, but I felt Ledunkly was stuck in the mud so to speak especially saying she was a dietician. You would think a dietician would actually do the research.
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Posted: 22 Nov 2013, 07:22
Just thought i'd throw this in this is my fav ............ http://tastykitchen.com/blog/2013/08/cauliflower-crust-pizza/ and extremely low carb

And here's a cheese crust one...http://www.genaw.com/lowcarb/thinandcrispy_pizza.html
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Posted: 22 Nov 2013, 08:55
Mjgh06: Would you please share the cheese pizza thing? I truly believe crust is there only to 'hold' the cheese and other stuff, nothing else... So I would love a pizza without it - kind of like cheese fondue : ))
Mjgh06

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Posted: 22 Nov 2013, 11:58
ToHave, mummy posted the recipe I use from Genaw. I just use a little more cheese cuz I LOVE Cheese. Here's my version.

Crust:
1cup mozzarella shredded
3 medium eggs
1tsp garlic powder

Toppings:
1cup shredded gouda cheese
1pck premium hardwood smoked sliced bacon
1 cup chopped bell pepper
1 lb ground pork sausage
1 lb ground beef

Directions
Crust:
Preheat oven to 450. Mix mozzarella, eggs, and garlic together in a bowl. Line a pan with non-stick parchment paper.
Spread the cheese mix evenly across pan as thinly as possible but not allowing any paper to been seen through. Bake 10 min, then turn oven down to 400, bake for 10 mins. Remove from oven and turn oven on to broil.

Toppings: (Precook whatever veggie/meat toppings you want)
Cook meat and bell pepper in fry pan until done. Add to top of cheese crust and cover with remaining cheese.
Place in oven and broil for 5 mins.
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Posted: 22 Nov 2013, 12:23
As a side note- not eating carbs won't hurt you. My Mom has been doing Atkins for 37 years, and she lost a lot of weight. She can't eat most starches as they inflame her arthritis now, so she just doesn't. At 87 she is only on Plavix, which is a blood thinner, so I think she's doing pretty good. All her numbers are fine. She does take supplements, it's easy to tell if she doesn't, she gets muscle cramps and the like.
Also, carbs make you hungry more often, in my experience.
Atkins has a fat fast at 500 cals too, for those stuck. Might be worth checking.
I am very aware of losing muscle instead of fat, I make sure to watch my Mom for that all the time, as her appetite is low and she doesn't eat much any more.
I would not do the week Atkins proposes, you might mix it with the 5:2, and even up your calories a bit on the '5' days.
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