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KETO MISTAKES: EAT MORE FAT to LOSE WEIGHT. The TRUTH about a KETOGENIC DIET for FAT LOSS
[quote=jimmiepop][quote=chadlius88]Cory Gregory is kind of a freak of nature anyways. I'm not really sure if all of his screws are in the right places sometimes. Successful dude though, and super strong.[/quote] Yep. Good ol West Virginia boy. That's exactly who my buddy was following. Cory "borrowed" the SED idea from this guy Matthew Perryman, who literally wrote the book a few years back. Great stuff. (If you want it, hit me up and I will send the pdf.) That led me to this guy John Broz, in Vegas, who is producing all these world class lifters. Those fuckers squat to a max; 12 times per week. I ended up running a sort of combo program that I designed myself, but the centerpiece was squatting to a heavy single "training max" every day. Loved it. Totally unsustainable for me.[/quote] Those guys are also eating an ungodly amount of food. The majority of my strength has come from training with the Westside Barbell conjugate method. I had a lot of fun with it.
by chadlius88 (submitted 3 years ago)
KETO MISTAKES: EAT MORE FAT to LOSE WEIGHT. The TRUTH about a KETOGENIC DIET for FAT LOSS
[quote=philmck][quote=chadlius88]Cutting is a bodybuilding/powerlifting term for losing fat while sparing as much muscle mass as possible. I took the question mark as you asking what the word was referring to. If I ate LCHF @ 1200 calories or less per day for any extended period of time I'd lose a good portion of the muscle mass that I've worked for over the last 3 years.[/quote] I don't know how much LBM I've lost since I started my diet back in June, I've never really been concerned about adding muscle bulk. That might change, I don't know, my priority has been to drop the weight and drop clothes sizes. [/quote] which you've done an excellent job at. I'd never deny your success.
by chadlius88 (submitted 3 years ago)
KETO MISTAKES: EAT MORE FAT to LOSE WEIGHT. The TRUTH about a KETOGENIC DIET for FAT LOSS
[quote=jimmiepop][quote=chadlius88] If I want to cut faster I just up the intensity of my workouts and add morning fasted cardio. No need to change the diet. Creating the same deficit as you I suppose. But at least I'm not trying to stay satiated on 1200 cals. Eek.[/quote] Brother, I assure you that there is no such thing as "satiated" on 1200 for me. Not suggesting this is a happy experience. I hear you on the fasted cardio and agree. I typically save that, along with any other special measures, for the home stretch. It takes a fuckton of cardio for me to make up for 600K/day. And I hate it. Also agree on the workout intensity. Most hardcore I attempted on that was when I got succored by my 26 yo gym buddy into running that Squat Every Day program. Ran it for 30+ days on a dare and never dropped fat faster, but I pretty much gave up everything else. Totally unfit for human consumption and falling asleep at my desk...[/quote] Cory Gregory is kind of a freak of nature anyways. I'm not really sure if all of his screws are in the right places sometimes. Successful dude though, and super strong.
by chadlius88 (submitted 3 years ago)
KETO MISTAKES: EAT MORE FAT to LOSE WEIGHT. The TRUTH about a KETOGENIC DIET for FAT LOSS
[quote=philmck]I'm never hungry, I have to remind myself to eat on IF days. Cutting? I lost fourteen pounds in the last 18 days, but I'm not bothering to record it because my next weigh-in isn't till June. [/quote] Cutting is a bodybuilding/powerlifting term for losing fat while sparing as much muscle mass as possible. I took the question mark as you asking what the word was referring to. If I ate LCHF @ 1200 calories or less per day for any extended period of time I'd lose a good portion of the muscle mass that I've worked for over the last 3 years.
by chadlius88 (submitted 3 years ago)
KETO MISTAKES: EAT MORE FAT to LOSE WEIGHT. The TRUTH about a KETOGENIC DIET for FAT LOSS
[quote=jimmiepop][quote=chadlius88] 1200 cals? whew! that's hardcore!!! I never go below 1800 calories.....ever. :lol: [/quote] Maybe; but I am not the only one. Faster is better (for me). The most important thing I learned on my last cut was that I can tolerate MUCH bigger deficits than anyone recommends. And frankly, I think we all can. Candidates survive brutal conditions in Ranger School with no sleep on <1000K/day for weeks. The former CO in Iraq ate once a day, at night, after a 5 mile run. The more I looked, the more I noticed top performers in highly demanding, often physical roles making a practice of undereating and/or extreme dietary discipline. I even found a study with a fat guy who ate NOTHING for a year in a lab environment. Water, vitamins, etc. Dropped from massive to normal weight. Didn't "destroy his metabolism" or any of that horseshit. Even the HCG diet ladies, who are as far from the Rangers as one can imagine, get down to 600/day. If you can get your mind right, you can cut very fast. I had 50# in fat to drop. No interest in spending a year on it, as everyone recommends. Took me 6 months-ish, even with numerous mistakes and multiple, uh, unplanned "refeeds." It's definitely possible to go faster than that. I found a guy dropping about 3.5# fat/week to whom I benchmarked. Pacing at .3/day right now, after blowing diet twice in last 21 days. Squatting 5 X 245# top set (vs. 8 X 265 PR), so taking some losses, but still fending the curl bros off the squat rack...[/quote] If I want to cut faster I just up the intensity of my workouts and add morning fasted cardio. No need to change the diet. Creating the same deficit as you I suppose. But at least I'm not trying to stay satiated on 1200 cals. Eek.
by chadlius88 (submitted 3 years ago)
KETO MISTAKES: EAT MORE FAT to LOSE WEIGHT. The TRUTH about a KETOGENIC DIET for FAT LOSS
[quote=philmck]I regularly average around 900 kcals/day, some days as low as 600. I don't think I've been over 2000 calories this year, thinking about probably haven't been over 1500 this year. [/quote] Yikes! That sure doesn't support your side of our old CICO argument.
by chadlius88 (submitted 3 years ago)
KETO MISTAKES: EAT MORE FAT to LOSE WEIGHT. The TRUTH about a KETOGENIC DIET for FAT LOSS
[quote=jimmiepop]You're right, N, I went a little aggressive. I am running just over 1g/#LBM. That said, I hear the 1.0 - 1.5 gms per lb total mass recommendation every day. Regardless, if she's 30% at 175# and consuming 75gms protein daily via whole foods, that still leaves me struggling to squeeze 8 hard boiled eggs into my murse, and 400 extra fat calories into my 1200 KCAL RDI.[/quote] 1200 cals? whew! that's hardcore!!! I never go below 1800 calories.....ever. :lol:
by chadlius88 (submitted 3 years ago)
KETO MISTAKES: EAT MORE FAT to LOSE WEIGHT. The TRUTH about a KETOGENIC DIET for FAT LOSS
[quote=notelaine]That seems way high for protein though. But there are different theories and contrasting studies. Personally, I go for 0.8 grams/lb lean body mass. Has been working well for me[/quote] There was a time when I was eating 300g of protein per day, and I average 180g per day now and have seen no noticeable change in the rate that I gain muscle mass. I HAVE noticed a significant increase in the speed that I digest food though, and a lot less bloating. that puts me at about 1.2g/lb. lean mass.
by chadlius88 (submitted 3 years ago)
KETO MISTAKES: EAT MORE FAT to LOSE WEIGHT. The TRUTH about a KETOGENIC DIET for FAT LOSS
Do you NEED whey isolate to build/maintain muscle? No. Absolutely not. Whey can be replaced by many other protein sources. However, its a convenience to have on the fly protein, whey protein digests way faster than nearly any other protein source, and despite previous comments, whey is super cheap (unless you buy from GNC, the most expensive supplement store on the planet). 1 serving of isopure contains 50g of protein, and there are around 22 servings per 2 lb. tub. so each $40 tub contains 1100g of protein. to get 1100g of protein from chicken breast you have to buy just over 10 lbs of chicken at an average of $4 per pound. Plus, you have to eat an extra half pound of chicken throughout the day to get the equivalent protein of 1 serving of isopure.
by chadlius88 (submitted 3 years ago)
KETO MISTAKES: EAT MORE FAT to LOSE WEIGHT. The TRUTH about a KETOGENIC DIET for FAT LOSS
[quote=jimmiepop]You know I am not a fan, but he's got a point on the whey thing. Whey is the most hyped bodybuilding supplement and fine results were achieved for years without it. [/quote] doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo.....you have now entered, the twilight zone. :lol:
by chadlius88 (submitted 3 years ago)
KETO MISTAKES: EAT MORE FAT to LOSE WEIGHT. The TRUTH about a KETOGENIC DIET for FAT LOSS
Darn it. All my Savvy responses are gone. For shame.:( :lol:
by chadlius88 (submitted 3 years ago)
KETO MISTAKES: EAT MORE FAT to LOSE WEIGHT. The TRUTH about a KETOGENIC DIET for FAT LOSS
[quote=thefutureoffood] We do not get proteins or other so called nutrients from foods (plants and animals). So so many people continue to think we are different from plants and animals? Wrong. We have the same genetic ability like they do to make our own proteins and vitamins etc. [/quote] While the human body certainly produces its own proteins; just as you cannot make concrete without stone, the body cannot form protein chains without the amino acids derived from the foods that we eat. To think that the body produces its proteins from the heat energy that we consume from foods is ludicrous. Nutrients and proteins that plants produce are derived from the very soils which they are rooted in. Decaying plant matter, insects, animals, animal excrement, all feed the soils. matter can not be created or destroyed.
by chadlius88 (submitted 3 years ago)
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[quote=philmck][quote=chadlius88]We all need to just agree to disagree here. You are biased toward LCHF because it worked for you, I am biased toward CICO because it worked for me, and I believe that the human body follows the laws of science. If people have medical conditions and are trying to lose weight and find it difficult, they should be turning to medical professionals, not to an open forum on the internet. I try not to offer advice on here for that reason, but I felt that I needed to speak up on this subject.[/quote] I think you miss the overriding point that insulin resistance IS a medical condition, one that will lead to obesity, diabetes, and a whole host of other unsavory conditions. [quote]*intentional calorie restriction [/quote] Not really, there were days that I KNOW for a fact my calorie count was off the freakin' chart, but I digress. [/quote] I never once denied that. However, those medical conditions affect people's lifestyle, and daily energy expenditure. Just like an 80 year old woman doesn't need a whole lot of food to survive. Things affect our body's ability to expend energy, and that is the variable that counts most. Energy expenditure. As to the going over your daily calories, I do it all the time, shoot I'll eat cookies, cake, pizza, a whole bag of sour gummy worms the other day....and I still lose weight because I adjust for it. If I had diabetes I simply wouldn't eat those things. It's not complicated. Here I go continuing to argue. I apologize, I'm done now. :lol:
by chadlius88 (submitted 3 years ago)
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[quote=philmck][quote=chadlius88]for numbers on a scale short-term. Its not required to maintain a downward trend over time as long as you remain on a deficit.[/quote] I'll accept that, however "short-term" isn't clear. I lost over 100 pounds in six months before I incorporated calorie restriction into my regimen. [/quote] *intentional calorie restriction
by chadlius88 (submitted 3 years ago)
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We all need to just agree to disagree here. You are biased toward LCHF because it worked for you, I am biased toward CICO because it worked for me, and I believe that the human body follows the laws of science. If people have medical conditions and are trying to lose weight and find it difficult, they should be turning to medical professionals, not to an open forum on the internet. I try not to offer advice on here for that reason, but I felt that I needed to speak up on this subject.
by chadlius88 (submitted 3 years ago)
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[quote=philmck]I agree that it's on the individual, that why I reject CICO, at least initially. It IS a useful tool but it's not the ONLY tool, source of calories is more important and it's not merely a matter of people eating peanuts or chocolate bars or fruit, it's understanding and knowing how to properly manipulate those macros that can be the difference between failure and success. [/quote] for numbers on a scale short-term. Its not required to maintain a downward trend over time as long as you remain on a deficit.
by chadlius88 (submitted 3 years ago)
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Marathon runners, Triathletes, professional football players, strongman competitors. People who need that many calories in order to sustain their bodies when constantly training for years on end. The current strongest man in the world Eddie Hall eats 10,000+ calories per day while training. It's what required to maintain his bodyweight.
by chadlius88 (submitted 3 years ago)
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For some people, 5700 calories isn't a bad diet.
by chadlius88 (submitted 3 years ago)
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I'm failing to see why its irresponsible? If people choose to go into dieting without educating themselves and fail, that is on the individual. Saying you're on a diet and then sitting in front of the TV eating a giant bag of peanuts just because someone said they're good for you and then wondering why you aren't losing weight, that's being irresponsible for yourself. diets fail because people fail, its just a reality. The only way to be successful in losing weight is to eat less food than you need to maintain. its really that simple. I can wake up tomorrow and eat 2300 calories worth of oreo cookies, and eat nothing for the rest of the day. I'll bloat up and likely gain 7 or 8 lbs by Saturday. Eating like I normally would, less than a week later that weight would be gone because it was less fuel than I needed for that day. My bodies reaction to it is irrelevant.
by chadlius88 (submitted 3 years ago)
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I could eat 5700 calories per day for 21 days and only gain 4.4 pounds too, its called having an active lifestyle. Most of those photos prove nothing, and the writing accompanying them is subjective and opinionated with no real research backing it up.
by chadlius88 (submitted 3 years ago)
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