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Now I am gonna do more intrinsically dangerous stuff that your doctor says don't do - squatting fasted. Can't wait to hear about the detriments of that... #moarcarbs
by jimmiepop (submitted 3 years ago)
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[quote=rabbitjb] I have yet to see any science that disputes that gallstone formation, cholecystisis (spelling might b wrong there) excessive LBM loss, electrolyte imbalance, malnutrition, liver disfunction, issues with uric acid are side effects that are significant risks for VLCD. And once again this needs to be offset against risks of remaining obese [/quote] More straw man. (FYI - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man) No one that I saw claimed that the VLCD was risk free. You have claimed, repeatedly, that the VLCD is intrinsically dangerous. It is not. Period.
by jimmiepop (submitted 3 years ago)
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[quote=rabbitjb]US Advice on VLCD http://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/health-topics/weight-control/very-low-calorie-diets/Pages/very-low-calorie-diets.aspx UK Advice on VLCD http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/loseweight/Pages/very-low-calorie-diets.aspx[/quote] Terrific. Advice from the government on cutting. What's next? The Food Pyramid?
by jimmiepop (submitted 3 years ago)
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[quote=rabbitjb] I have never had an issue with people following their own path...just with them advising others to take the same route as though it's the only route [/quote] I concur. Where exactly did I advise anyone to follow any diet, much less a VLCD, much less that a VLCD was the "only route?" More straw man.
by jimmiepop (submitted 3 years ago)
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[quote=rabbitjb] What you mean is you have no answer for anything that casts concerns on your n=1 experience [/quote] Go back to school. You are presenting the most rudimentary of straw man arguments without citing anything specifically that I said. What I, correctly, took issue with was your characterization of the VLCD as intrinsically "dangerous." It is not. Your beloved Lyle McDonald even wrote a book on how to execute it safely. Perhaps a read would be in order.
by jimmiepop (submitted 3 years ago)
New to group - Question for phase II
[quote=philmck] I could be wrong, but I believe it was in Kevin Trudeau's weight loss secret book, I laughed so hard I cried when I read it.[/quote] Here you go, chief. Painful to watch... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De6pNJW62xc
by jimmiepop (submitted 3 years ago)
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[quote=rabbitjb] Also please don't misquote me ...I said "potentially dangerous" [/quote] Crop dusting the Squat Rack is "potentially dangerous." Please feel free to take whatever liberties you may care in quoting me on that.
by jimmiepop (submitted 3 years ago)
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[quote=rabbitjb] Which is it "inadvisable" or "dangerous"? Why not both ? [/quote] Because it is simply untrue to claim that a VLCD is "dangerous." Don't you pose on here as an advocate for diet truth?
by jimmiepop (submitted 3 years ago)
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[quote=rabbitjb] I simply occasionally try to bring facts and relevant science into this domain which seems driven by faddish extremes, but whether you decide to read links or bother to research further is totally your decision [/quote] What you, my dear, consistently bring to the conversation is diet hectoring and condescension all wrapped up in the pretense of "facts and relevant science."
by jimmiepop (submitted 3 years ago)
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[quote=philmck]Nothing wrong with a severe calorie restriction but I can't imagine anyone wanting to drink pee-pee. [/quote] I never heard of that in a diet context. There is this weird yogi guy in cali who runs a pee drinking retreat weekend. I have my children to thank for the acquisition of that knowledge
by jimmiepop (submitted 3 years ago)
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[quote=rabbitjb] I don't need to walk in front of a car to know its inadvisable [/quote] Which is it "inadvisable" or "dangerous"?
by jimmiepop (submitted 3 years ago)
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[quote=philmck]Didn't that Kevin Trudeau guy go to prison for promoting an HCG diet? I bought a copy of "The Weight Loss Cure THEY Don't Want You To Know About" from one of my local resale shops, got it on "Dime Day", it was worth ten cents for the unintentional comedy. If memory serves me correctly Trudeau was advocating drinking urine from pregnant women. Hey, I consider what I've done over the last year pretty hardcore, but I can't top that! [/quote] Trudeau's a scam artist. He pirated the idea from this diet doc from the 50s, Simmons.
by jimmiepop (submitted 3 years ago)
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[quote=rabbitjb]HCG is an ineffective fad diet based on extremely low calories and anybody would be well advised to avoid it It's potentially dangerous https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-hcg-diet-yet-another-ineffective-quick-fix-diet-plan-and-supplement/ "So does the HCG Diet Work? Any weight loss from the HCG diet is actually due to the dramatic calorie restriction required as part of the diet plans — in some cases, as low as 500 calories per day. This near-starvation diet is dramatically below appropriate levels for weight loss or maintenance, and escalates the risk of malnutrition if prolonged. Even if it wasn’t immediately harmful, a 500kcal diet is simply unsustainable. Weight maintenance is the real challenge with obesity."[/quote] This is nonsense. Have you done it? No. I have. You continue to slam the VLCD in spite of the fact that you have no direct experience. I have run a VLCD with good success, and have both data and pics. It is not intrinsically dangerous and does not require liver scans or any of that other BS you recommend. For the record, I am not recommending that anyone else do this, but it can be very effective and executed safely.
by jimmiepop (submitted 3 years ago)
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[quote=revilo semaj]I'm new to this Hcg thing. Is there any science to it? Is it safe? Are there side effects, long or short term. Is it hype based on some remote plausible data. I just saw an OZ episode where they had some person (doctor?) stating that she has done numerous studies. That is always a red flag for me - "numerous studies". I know no two humans are the same exactly but there still should be only one study needed, followed by a clear chemical explanation as to how injecting these chemicals actually work. What precisely are the chemicals doing when they enter your body? The person on the show never spoke to any of that - all she is doing is charting weight loss by patients on this method - a method that includes a dramatic restrictive limit of daily caloric intake. And again, some hate when I use the word duh, but duh. Have they done this HCG thing with anyone while not limiting their calories? That would be interesting - for those looking for some magic remedy. But if there is no magic but rather some expensive questionable product that you are being asked to inject into your body - while eating such a low amount of food each day - what's the point? Not a rhetorical question - what's the point? [/quote] The diet is quite effective. Its clearly the diet, not the hcg, driving the losses. Its not expensive and may have some placebo effect in terms of appetite control, which is one of the central claims proponents make. Google Dr. Simmons "Pounds and Inches" and look for a pdf. That's the guide authored by the diet doc that originally promoted this back in the 50s. All the groupies hang out on the forums at hcgdietinfo.com. The only measurable biochem effect that I could discern is that hcG boosts test in men, which is of benefit on such a severe cut.
by jimmiepop (submitted 3 years ago)
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Why would you stop if you have the will to continue and have yet to hit your goal? There is nothing magic about the the 30/45 day hcG diet timelines. Lots of voodoo beliefs and practices in the hcG community. I ran for months last year. Same results with and without hcG, btw. Diet is driving your losses, not hcG. Not that it matters...
by jimmiepop (submitted 3 years ago)
any ideas.
[quote=robinson801]:I exercise most days with toning tables and clubbercise to nights a week frustrating not to loose,[/quote] Please consider allowing [url=http://www.leangains.com/2011/09/fuckarounditis.html]this [/url]to inform your workout choices.
by jimmiepop (submitted 3 years ago)
any ideas.
[quote=robinson801]nothing seems to be working [/quote] Please consider trying what works. Weigh in every morning. Log it on this site. Log all your food intake. 100%. Every day. Cut your intake 500 calories a day. Check back in 10 days.
by jimmiepop (submitted 3 years ago)
Snacks to replace protein powder
[quote=stelioskalogeropoulos]To be honest i was only thinking about sweet snacks [/quote] You might google "protein fluff." Many use it as a desert style protein shake replacement on a cut.
by jimmiepop (submitted 3 years ago)
So Frustrated!
[i][b]KICKSTARTER![/b][/i]
by jimmiepop (submitted 3 years ago)
So Frustrated!
[quote=notelaine][quote=jimmiepop] Welcome, Pure Clarity! Your project sounds absolutely terrific. I know a lot of us here have been waiting for just such a solution. As you have already noted, Revilo is one of our esteemed resident luminaries here at FatSecret. It seems that the two of you have a lot in common. Perhaps you should collaborate?[/quote] And you lecture me for poking at it! :lol: :lol: :lol: [/quote] Tease; not lecture. Cause I am right there with you.... May I assume that you approve of my suggested collab?
by jimmiepop (submitted 3 years ago)
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