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liv001

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Posted: 17 Feb 2013, 15:17
This is not something that has been my issue. I do not super exercise but I have always enough energy for what I try to do and I do not feel fatigue often.
So I cannot help you from a personal experience.

So these are my general thougths:

I think it takes a bit of time to get ketone adapted, that it does nothelp to lower salt, that some carbs help, that too low calories may sometimes be an issue, water is necessary.

Anything of that helping?
Kimberley76

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Posted: 17 Feb 2013, 15:32
someone told me to have chicken or beef broth in AM and PM during induction if i needed a pick me up. hope it helps!
liv001

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Posted: 17 Feb 2013, 15:56
I think the broth advice it good. It is to increase both salt and liquid which both can be helpful.
Kimberley76

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Posted: 17 Feb 2013, 16:11
yes Liv i think that's why she mentioned that and it really made a difference for me! plus broth is yummy when it's this cold out!
Shabud

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Posted: 18 Feb 2013, 03:35
Thanks guys, I will try the broth, (any particular brands you can recommend ?) I have started it increase my salt intake as I never used to add salt to food knowing there was plenty in the old stuff I used to eat.
I am drinking loads of water though. Going to try cut down the caffiene this week as I have put 2lbs on and cant understand it as I have been quite strict with myself, apart from wine I drank on Friday Smile
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eKatherine

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Posted: 18 Feb 2013, 06:16
A nap and a cup of tea? This too will pass.

I read about the Shangri-la diet. A bunch of people on Mark's daiy apple are doing a variation on that where they start the day by drinking a "shot" (who knows how much this is?) of flavorless oil, which is supposed to kill their appetite without triggering their hunger, because it's flavorless and won't activate their reward sensors.

I personally think it's working when it does simply by virtue of the fact that they are eating more fat. Since I won't be taking "shots" of any size of light olive oil, which cleans me out, coconut oil, which makes me gag, or MCT, since I don't have any, I will be having the fats I love. I started the morning with a tablespoon of melted cocoa butter. Delicately chocolatey in taste. If I want to do this again later in the day, I may try bacon fat. Or butter, solid or melted.
Shabud

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Posted: 18 Feb 2013, 07:34
Oh a nap and a cup of tea............. Sounds brill. Only I am at work so cant lol
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liv001

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Posted: 18 Feb 2013, 10:29
Over here it is holiday so many people are off work.
So sorry that you are not finding energy. I do not have much to suggest. I do vitamin D - regularly and keep an eye on my vitamin Bs. I find that on this diet vitamin B is not really an issue. Vitamin D can be hard in the winter.
You had some wine and maybe too many carbs so you may have dipped out of ketosis and then have to get back into it. But you should be there soon.

Eating oil - just because - would not be for me. Although I certainly always lookf or ways to reduce appetite and to control my eating - since I tend to glide into binging or perhaps it is more chain-eating. I try to combat it by just focussing on protein foods with fats and limit carbs severly. But I guess we all have to do what works for us and keep experimenting till we find it
Shabud

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Posted: 18 Feb 2013, 12:37
Liv, funny thing is I am not struggling at all with appetite cravings, in fact I am eating at times because I feel I should and not because I am hungry. I am worried if I don't eat I will go into starvation mode or does this not apply with this type of diet. Today I wasn't hungry even by 2pm but made some eggs as I thought i should eat.

Luckily I am not having sugar cravings either but I suppose I never really was a sweet tooth apart from the odd piece of dark chocolate
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eKatherine

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Posted: 18 Feb 2013, 14:33
If you are not hungry you should not force yourself to eat. Not eating when you are not hungry is listening to your body. It does not result into turning you into the equivalent of a person dying of starvation during a famine or after months on a life raft.

The idea of "starvation mode" is much overused. There is very little science behind it. It plays into the myth that it is normal to be eating constantly and abnormal to forgo an occasional snack.
Kimberley76

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Posted: 18 Feb 2013, 14:52
Shabud for the broth I just use boullion cubes and mix with boiling water but i'd think any kind is ok if not reduced sodium! I have had to eat before when I didn't feel hungry as it had been over 6 hours! hope the broth helps and you get some energy!
Shabud

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Posted: 19 Feb 2013, 06:28
Thanks again guys, seem to be picking up now. Energy levels much better Smile
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eKatherine

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Posted: 19 Feb 2013, 09:05
Even just a tablespoon of cocoa butter cleaned me out. I guess I'll just be eating fat as part of the foods I consume.

But...

Last night I melted together an ounce of dark chocolate and an ounce of cocoa butter, then put it in a silicone muffin cup to chill. I tasted it. It was amazing. Totally melt-in-your-mouth. I could do that with the really dark chocolate...
liv001

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Posted: 19 Feb 2013, 09:36
@ Katherine glad you filled cleaned out. Is cocoa butter something you bought in the store. I do like the kick I get from chocolate.

@Shabud. How wonderful to hear that energy levels are better. We do need to feel that.

@Kimberly - I hope you recovered from your venture into cheese cake ysterday. But cheesecake is pretty good stuff Smile

My energy is fine (I get a bit weather sick and when there is low pressure systems I feel down but today it is nice and clear (but cold) I feel fine. Still working on those overeating urges. Exercise usually helps so I will get some in today.
Shabud

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Posted: 19 Feb 2013, 09:36
Oh wow thats something I will be trying sounds nice
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FullaBella

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Posted: 19 Feb 2013, 13:25
Hi - I'm Bella and have been a member of FS since Oct12 and a failed dieter of 40 years. Wrapping my head around 'fat is good for you' has been a huge challenge the past few months as I finally allowed myself to eat (AND ENJOY WITHOUT REGRET) foods like avocado and peanut butter. I remember when the 'yellow' spread on my RDI pie chart when I added the coconut oil daily it freaked me out. I really liked that article you linked about the myths because I've lived EVERY ONE of those. Sometimes I wonder why an entire group of us who've been misled for so many decades don't file a class action suit akin to the smokers against tobacco. But nonetheless, I'm glad to know now. Thanks for the group.


I'm not losing WEIGHT. I'm converting FAT to MUSCLE to be healthier.
FullaBella

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Posted: 19 Feb 2013, 13:28
Kimberley76 wrote:
Shabud for the broth I just use boullion cubes and mix with boiling water but i'd think any kind is ok if not reduced sodium! I have had to eat before when I didn't feel hungry as it had been over 6 hours! hope the broth helps and you get some energy!


Me again - sorry - what is the reason behind NOT being reduced sodium? Is that bad? Is that another of the myths we've been misled by for so many years?

AND - if that is the case, and it's ok - (reg sodium) is that the SAME as in canned foods? Like, I really like Hunts Diced Tomatoes in my soup but have been avoiding it because of the high sodium... what's the real story?


I'm not losing WEIGHT. I'm converting FAT to MUSCLE to be healthier.
Shabud

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Posted: 19 Feb 2013, 13:54
Hi Bella, bet you have a pony with a name like that ?????

Liv, I know what you mean with the winter months, cant wait for the sunny warm weather, not that we get too much in Yorkshire !

Kimberly, I am interested in the answer the Bella's question too Smile
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FullaBella

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Posted: 19 Feb 2013, 15:54
@Shabud - no, not anymore but I have had horses (and love them) in the past. Last owned included a Camel paint mare, a Missouri Fox Trotter gelding and a quarter-horse colt I bought at an auction on a whim. I named that little surprise 'Impulsive Bidding'. But we are city rats now so I only have a little dog who eats like a horse Smile

Embracing the fat: in the past I was repeatedly told 'beef protein will curb your hunger' and everytime I had a nice lean steak it set off a feeding frenzy ~ even my little doggy got scared from the way I'd eat. Today I had prime rib for lunch and instead of trimming/discarding the fat, I had it with the steak. I had 1/4 as much and was full; have not been hungry at all this afternoon. WILD.


I'm not losing WEIGHT. I'm converting FAT to MUSCLE to be healthier.
eKatherine

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Posted: 20 Feb 2013, 06:33
I had to buy cocoa butter online. Now I don't remember where I got it, some skin care place that I googled on and found selling food grade cocoa butter by the pound.

Unless you're a sodium sensitive person, there is no reason to try to reduce your sodium. Eating a natural diet containing plenty of foods prepared from fresh, natural ingredients means your diet won't get as high in sodium as people eating the standard American diet. They say that on a diet like this you tend to hold less sodium and need more, too. Just drink plenty of water, and if you crave salt, put a little extra on your food.