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raindroprose...

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Posted: 13 May 2013, 21:47
Good call Darin! And good information as always Smile I always WISH that I could have more salt, and I've actually heard a lot of people say "oh well your body will retain water from too LITTLE salt too, you're just not consuming enough of it!" But it just feels like for me... that can't possibly be the case. I just wish it was, or I wish there was a way to be certain without going crazy and consuming mass quantities of salt and potentially puffing up 4 pounds overnight or something Razz

Here's a bit from the thyroid/adrenal community I belong to about aldosterone and the role it plays in the sodium/potassium balance:


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When aldosterone gets too high (as it can under stress and as your cortisol goes too high), your blood pressure also gets too high and your potassium levels become too low. You can have muscle cramps, muscle weakness, and numbness or tingling in your extremities.

But when it gets too low, which can be common in some patients with cortisol deficiency, your kidneys will excrete too much salt, and it leads to low blood pressure; low blood volume; a high pulse and/or palpitations, dizziness and or lightheadedness when you stand; fatigue; a craving for salt. Symptoms of low aldosterone can also include frequent urination, sweating, a slightly higher body temperature, and a feeling of thirst, besides the craving of salt. Potassium can at first rise too high, then fall, as well.

A CLUE: Is your dog licking your legs? That is indicative of the salt wasting by low aldosterone.



From what I've understood here, it sounds like I have HIGH aldosterone from my adrenal issues. Not low. My dog has never licked my legs like that (thankfully, that'd just be awkward and gross Laughing ) and my BP was high before supplementation and my water weight seems to have been put off/kept off by taking extra potassium. I also used to experience those muscle cramps and weaknesses more often before I started supplementing with potassium more.

I also know that hydrocortisone is a steroid that supposedly messes with the way sodium is processed anyway, and that's why many people seem to retain water while taking it... thus gaining weight. Since starting the steroids I thought it wise to take an additional potassium pill during the day, and permanently increase my ACV tonics to 4x daily instead of 3x daily. And so far so good Smile

...does this mean I completely understand what's going on there with aldosterone and I'm right? Not necessarily Laughing But it does seem to make SOME amount of sense anyway. And when I see the scale go up with sodium, and down with potassium... it seems to make sense to me. I hope it's not taking potassium from my muscles though. Hmmmm.

Melanie | 27 | PCOS/Hypothyroid/Adrenal Fatigue
Goal #1 - 150 | Goal #2 - 140-145 | Overall Goal - tone and maintain!
"Be who you are, and say what you feel... because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind." - attributed to Dr. Seuss
SouthernGirl...

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Posted: 13 May 2013, 21:53
reddarin wrote:
SouthernGirl61 wrote:
Hi All. I've found you! Been AWOL from NK groups for a while.
Darin, how's it going? Hi Cheryl. I'll figure out who is who again I guess, new site is a bit different to figure out.


Hiya ct! Welcome back!!

How have you been??

I've been doing well I reckon, except for the quit smoking failure and 30ish pound weight gain when I did that. But I am about 5 pounds from my old low Smile

This site is very different from the other one. There are some features missing, like 'first unread post', so that is annoying. And I think the thread is harder to read because the posts are not as clearly delineated. Most of it is fixable with a custom CSS sheet and I've already started tweaking it with a personal extension for Chrome.

But!! The obnoxious troll that has been stalking us for months at the other site is not here so that makes a huge difference right there Smile And if she did find us to try to troll us I can block her from posting on our group Smile

*And* you can say words like Fat Secret, FitDay, SparkPeople, etc. without getting moderated. *And* you can actually link to whatever you want to without getting a TOS warning and moderated.

Smile


Glad to see you are back to losing! Smoking is what it is, but glad to see you broke that almond addiction! Close to a new low is always great. I hit goal (the original one at 125) and have been maintaining for a couple of months now. I had to go down a tad on fat, which cleared my tummy issues, apparently coconut oil doesn't agree with me at all. I increased my protein as well, and that stablized my blood sugar again. Working so much required more eating to survive, so now I am backing down from the extra meals! We are all so different, it's like a puzzle for figuring this stuff out. Work has been nuts since mid-January, I am into the second week now of the normal 10-12 hr days; we had a few rough months, and I went 16 days straight which, yes, I hit a wall, and now am back on routine schedule. Health Care is nuts right now...I hope I can maintain my schedule back to "normal" and join you all here and there again.
How's your BP? yes, you figured I would ask eh?
bunniee23

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Posted: 13 May 2013, 22:29
reddarin wrote:
There isn't really an induction period for NK. There's no special steps for it at any rate. The recommended sodium intake is normal NK living Smile

You should be paying attention to adequate sodium intake from the beginning with NK. That is something that isn't, apparently, addressed with Atkinsesque type plans or at least not emphasized enough judging by how many people have to be told to drink some bouillon to help with symptoms of low sodium (that are a part of induction flu) -- lightheadedness, fatigue, headache, and malaise.


Thanks for clarifying the salt issue and reposting the info on sodium and NK. Smile I haven't made any special effort to drink broth since the first week of May, but I salt my food well. If I don't eat foods that are high in potassium, I use lite salt or add a little Nu Salt.
Clueless101

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Posted: 14 May 2013, 05:47
weight today 153.0
Clueless101

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Posted: 14 May 2013, 05:48
Log for yesterday 5/13/13

Calories 1212 -

fat: 83.63g
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protein: 89.68g
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carbs: 23.67g

Bernsy1

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Posted: 14 May 2013, 07:15
Yesterdays Food Log May 13

1506 Cals
120.5F
92.5P
16C

2T ACV, 1T CO, 2tsp Cod Liver oil
B: 2 egg/1 yolk, 12gr butter
L: 6.65oz homemade meatloaf - 3oz ground chicken/3.65oz ground lean beef

D: 6.25oz chicken breast (lindas low carb salsa chicken)- without the sour cream but sauteed in 2T CO, 88gr broccoli, 0.5T CO, maybe 1oz cheddar, 1 serving Shiratki Noodles

S: 1oz pecans

Have no idea how to calculate the CO intake because I sauteed 6 breasts for the family and I had one breast for dinner.
Bernsy1

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Posted: 14 May 2013, 07:17
Darin,

Can I trouble you to dig out the calculation for my protein intake? 46yrs, maybe 130lbs, 5' 5 1/2". Not sure if I had too much protein yesterday ...

Beverley
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Posted: 14 May 2013, 07:18
Bounce today to 134. I think TOM is looming.

Also, I probably won't track weight for a while after today since surgery will probably mess things up a little. Last day of work until next Monday (if all goes well)--gotta make it count.

Chapel
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"Now if you are going to win any battle you have to do one thing. You have to make the mind run the body. Never let the body tell the mind what to do. The body will always give up. It is always tired in the morning, noon, and night. But the body is never tired if the mind is not tired.”
- George S. Patton, U.S. Army General, 1912 Olympian
Bernsy1

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Posted: 14 May 2013, 07:21
Todays Food Log -May 14

1362 Cals
110F
81.9P
11.5C

2T ACV, 1T CO, 2tsp Cod Liver Oil

B: 2egg/1yolk, 12gr butter, himalayan salt

L: 4.75oz chicken breast, 42gr broccoli, 12gr butter

D: 1T CO, 7oz homemade meatloaf, 3.5oz gr chicken/3.5oz gr lean beef, 55gr green beans

S: 1oz cheddar, 50gr radishes, 74gr cucumber
raindroprose...

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Posted: 14 May 2013, 07:44
Bernsy, I'm not Darin but I think I calculated your upper number for protein at about 118g daily... that's using (130/2.2) * 2. I'm not sure if you can eat to that 2.0 number and still be alright, because that's pretty individual. I know I have to be closer to the 1.0-1.5 to be able to lose myself, but I'm insulin resistant among other things.

Your range looks like it should be between 89g-118g or so, unless you have troubles with protein Smile

Melanie | 27 | PCOS/Hypothyroid/Adrenal Fatigue
Goal #1 - 150 | Goal #2 - 140-145 | Overall Goal - tone and maintain!
"Be who you are, and say what you feel... because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind." - attributed to Dr. Seuss
raindroprose...

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Posted: 14 May 2013, 07:46
Weigh-in this morning, 149! Another half pound down... woohoo Very Happy

Melanie | 27 | PCOS/Hypothyroid/Adrenal Fatigue
Goal #1 - 150 | Goal #2 - 140-145 | Overall Goal - tone and maintain!
"Be who you are, and say what you feel... because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind." - attributed to Dr. Seuss
reddarin

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Posted: 14 May 2013, 08:05
Bernsy1 wrote:
Have no idea how to calculate the CO intake because I sauteed 6 breasts for the family and I had one breast for dinner.


Usually I don't count the CO that I fry with.

But if you wanted to log it, weigh what you put in the skillet, cook, remove solid particles and reweigh to get net used oil. Divide by portion size. It won't be 100% accurate but it'll be close enough for horse shoes and hand grenades.
reddarin

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Posted: 14 May 2013, 08:09
SouthernGirl61 wrote:
Glad to see you are back to losing! Smoking is what it is, but glad to see you broke that almond addiction! Close to a new low is always great. I hit goal (the original one at 125) and have been maintaining for a couple of months now. I had to go down a tad on fat, which cleared my tummy issues, apparently coconut oil doesn't agree with me at all. I increased my protein as well, and that stablized my blood sugar again. Working so much required more eating to survive, so now I am backing down from the extra meals! We are all so different, it's like a puzzle for figuring this stuff out. Work has been nuts since mid-January, I am into the second week now of the normal 10-12 hr days; we had a few rough months, and I went 16 days straight which, yes, I hit a wall, and now am back on routine schedule. Health Care is nuts right now...I hope I can maintain my schedule back to "normal" and join you all here and there again.
How's your BP? yes, you figured I would ask eh?


Whew! That is a tough work load ct. I hope it calms down more around there.

This morning 136/86 so back down to my more normal a little bit high range. Melanie told us about Hawthorn Berry supplements so I have been taking that for the last couple of weeks. It seems to be working.

Smile
reddarin

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Posted: 14 May 2013, 08:10
Ugh. I just realized there is no way to search the thread Sad
reddarin

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Posted: 14 May 2013, 08:10
Clueless101 wrote:
weight today 153.0


Hooray Cheryl!!!
raindroprose...

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Posted: 14 May 2013, 08:12
Clueless101 wrote:
weight today 153.0


Woohoo! Wow, Cheryl... you're moving down nicely after that horrible TOM experience you just had. That's great! Very Happy

Melanie | 27 | PCOS/Hypothyroid/Adrenal Fatigue
Goal #1 - 150 | Goal #2 - 140-145 | Overall Goal - tone and maintain!
"Be who you are, and say what you feel... because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind." - attributed to Dr. Seuss
raindroprose...

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Posted: 14 May 2013, 08:14
reddarin wrote:
This morning 136/86 so back down to my more normal a little bit high range. Melanie told us about Hawthorn Berry supplements so I have been taking that for the last couple of weeks. It seems to be working.

Smile


Woohoo! I'm so glad it's been helping you too it seems Smile I think I've been on it for almost a month now, and it's really helped mine go down... no real BP spikes at all from my new meds, and I attribute some of that to the hawthorn. When I was stressed to the max at the doctor's office that one day it only went up to 130/80, which is awesome for me. Last time I was in a doctor's office prior to that it was 140/100-some Razz

Melanie | 27 | PCOS/Hypothyroid/Adrenal Fatigue
Goal #1 - 150 | Goal #2 - 140-145 | Overall Goal - tone and maintain!
"Be who you are, and say what you feel... because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind." - attributed to Dr. Seuss
reddarin

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Posted: 14 May 2013, 08:48
raindroproses wrote:
Weigh-in this morning, 149! Another half pound down... woohoo Very Happy


Hooray Melanie!!!
reddarin

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Posted: 14 May 2013, 08:56
raindroproses wrote:
Bernsy, I'm not Darin but I think I calculated your upper number for protein at about 118g daily... that's using (130/2.2) * 2. I'm not sure if you can eat to that 2.0 number and still be alright, because that's pretty individual. I know I have to be closer to the 1.0-1.5 to be able to lose myself, but I'm insulin resistant among other things.

Your range looks like it should be between 89g-118g or so, unless you have troubles with protein Smile


Melanie is right Bernsy. Your range is 89 to 118 grams and tweak if needed Smile
reddarin

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Posted: 14 May 2013, 10:11
Weigh-in this morning ... 190.8 so the same as yesterday despite eating ~2800 calories yesterday Smile