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2Bhealthy4me

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Posted: 07 May 2013, 15:34
raindroproses wrote:
Hey all! Sorry I've been MIA for over a day... I had my doctor's appointment yesterday, and was on the phone with SO all day pretty much after I got home (which wasn't even until around 4pm, ugh!) telling them about what happened and trying to wind down a little. Then I had to explain it to my roommate and STILL have to explain it to my dad, and I got very little sleep in between then and now... so you can probably guess why I wasn't around Laughing

Anyway, that went well. I'll post more about it/more about what I got put on if anyone cares to know... LONG laundry list of stuff, and that's before my blood work even comes back. My doctor is also crazy, but I think it's in a good way Laughing

One thing I'm scared of though is he put me on steroids for my adrenals like I guessed he would because they're SO bad. Just awful. "Pathetic" was the word he used, LOL. It's the natural sort though (hydrocortisone versus prednisone or however you spell that crap) so he CLAIMS I shouldn't gain weight on them. Some people do though, so I'm just sitting here nervous I'm going to gain everything back. If I do I'll flip Razz

Anyway, I'm alive and well! And I'll post my giant laundry list of meds if anyone cares... this dude's 100% natural so ALL supplements pretty much. Happy with that at least. Not happy with the cost of some of them though, but at least he was only $20 to see versus a naturopath or integrated medicine doctor which are not covered at ALL in the state of Michigan and I would have had to pay $200-$500 to see just for the office visit Surprised He's pretty much one of those doctors masquerading around pretending to be a family doctor so more folks can afford to see someone who has a better approach to medicine Smile


like Gretalyn I'm so far behind I'll start here and work back. I'm very interested in your supplement list if you want to post it rdr!

Right now I'm reading the book Vitamin K2 and the Calcium Paradox: How a Little-Known Vitamin Could Save Your Life

I'm so excited I've already ordered some Vitamin K mk-7 to give it a go along with my Cod Liver Oil which has Vitamin A and D in it already. I can feel myself getting healthier already...

not going to weigh on Thursday, that's day before sharkweek sets in...always puff up that week.

Will soon start taking some extra vitamins like b12 etc to see if I can blast some extra fat, I want to get the scale moving a bit faster if I can.
Clueless101

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Posted: 07 May 2013, 16:03
Darin, how have your headaches been?
raindroprose...

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Posted: 07 May 2013, 16:04
2Bhealthy4me wrote:
I'm very interested in your supplement list if you want to post it rdr!


Hahaha... okay, I'm taking a lot of stuff already and this is prior to getting my blood work back which I assume will likely lead to me taking even more Razz But for now, this is my list!


New stuff from the new doc:

Prescriptions -
Armour thyroid (for hypothyroid/possible Hashimoto's)
Hydrocortisone (for adrenal fatigue/adrenal disease)

Non-Prescription Supplements -
DHEA
Drenatrophin PMG
Iodine
Pregnenalone


Other supplements I take on my own:

GNC Women's Ultra Mega Multivitamin w/o iron & iodine
Magnesium Oxide
Potassium Gluconate
Hawthorn
Cod Liver Oil

Melanie | 27 | PCOS/Hypothyroid/Adrenal Fatigue
Goal #1 - 150 | Goal #2 - 140-145 | Overall Goal - tone and maintain!
"Be who you are, and say what you feel... because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind." - attributed to Dr. Seuss
reddarin

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Posted: 07 May 2013, 16:08
Clueless101 wrote:
Darin, how have your headaches been?


Much better. I am hardly getting them at all now. I cut out diet Dr. Pepper and 7-UP and I think that did the trick. They had subsided before I started the hawthorn though.

Smile
Clueless101

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Posted: 07 May 2013, 16:40
Log for today

calories 1218 * -

fat: 91.04g
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protein: 79.53g
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carbs: 18.28g

Breakfast / bacon and eggs
Lunch / salad w/ chorizo
Dinner / Chicken salad with lettuce/ CO
reddarin

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Posted: 07 May 2013, 18:33
Weigh-in May 07, 2013
May 07, 2013 2,065 176 87 46 74/17/8
Food log - May 07, 2013
Numbers and log for today.

Calories: 2,065

Fat: 176
Pro: 87
Car: 46

74/17/8

Breakfast: Coffee, CO, HWC.
Lunch: Chicken, jalapeno, onion, cabbage, broth [bacon grease, CO, bouillon].
Dinner: Onions, jalapeno, cheese, tomato.
LindaB220

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Posted: 07 May 2013, 19:30
Very good day. Stayed on plan. Still have no appetite. Laughing

Todays menu:
B/ 2 scrambled eggs, coffee w/ hwc, co
L/ 1 1/4 slices liverwurst, 1 1/2 oz pork roast
D/ 2 sm chicken thighs, 1 c spinach w/1 T butter, grease 3/4 cottage cheese
S/ 2 coke floats w/ hwc

Getting ready to move to neighbors house this weekend. She will be home from nursing home. Gonna feed her healthy. Laughing Laughing

bunniee23

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Posted: 07 May 2013, 19:36
Today's numbers: 1481 calories, 80 g protein, 124 g fat, 12 g carbs.

Breakfast - scrambled eggs & sausage, coffee with coconut oil and hwc.
Lunch - greek yogurt
Snack - coffee with coconut oil & hwc
Dinner - bunless cheeseburger with lettuce
Clueless101

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Posted: 08 May 2013, 05:00
weight today 154.6
Bernsy1

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Posted: 08 May 2013, 07:03
May 7 & 8 Food Logs

Yesterday 1368 Cals 111F 78P, 10C
1T CO, 2tsp Cod Liver Oil, 2T ACV in water
B: 2 egg/ 1 yolk, 12gr butter
L: 6.05oz chicken thigh, 1/4 cup celery
D: 7.3oz homemade burgers - 3.5oz chicken/3.8oz beef
S: 1oz cheddar, 57gr radish, 1.5T Cocunut Butter

Today looks like 1346Cals 106F 82.7P 17.5C
1T CO, 2tsp Cod Liver Oil, 2T ACV in water
B: 2 egg/1 yolk, 13gr butter
L: 5.05oz drumstick, 1.2oz chicken breast, 1/4 cup celery
D: 2T ACV in water, 7oz Rib steak, 88gr broccoli, 12gr butter
S: 1oz cheddar, 50gr radish

What am I doing wrong to make my body store fat? Should I lower my fat intake way down again? Please help me figure this out. I am getting into a depression and just don't know what to do. I've had blood work done, thyroid is normal, hormones are nornmal .... HELP!
cpresson

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Posted: 08 May 2013, 07:08
134 today. Coming back down again.

Chapel
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"Now if you are going to win any battle you have to do one thing. You have to make the mind run the body. Never let the body tell the mind what to do. The body will always give up. It is always tired in the morning, noon, and night. But the body is never tired if the mind is not tired.”
- George S. Patton, U.S. Army General, 1912 Olympian
raindroprose...

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Posted: 08 May 2013, 08:10
Bernsy1 wrote:
May 7 & 8 Food Logs

Yesterday 1368 Cals 111F 78P, 10C
1T CO, 2tsp Cod Liver Oil, 2T ACV in water
B: 2 egg/ 1 yolk, 12gr butter
L: 6.05oz chicken thigh, 1/4 cup celery
D: 7.3oz homemade burgers - 3.5oz chicken/3.8oz beef
S: 1oz cheddar, 57gr radish, 1.5T Cocunut Butter

Today looks like 1346Cals 106F 82.7P 17.5C
1T CO, 2tsp Cod Liver Oil, 2T ACV in water
B: 2 egg/1 yolk, 13gr butter
L: 5.05oz drumstick, 1.2oz chicken breast, 1/4 cup celery
D: 2T ACV in water, 7oz Rib steak, 88gr broccoli, 12gr butter
S: 1oz cheddar, 50gr radish

What am I doing wrong to make my body store fat? Should I lower my fat intake way down again? Please help me figure this out. I am getting into a depression and just don't know what to do. I've had blood work done, thyroid is normal, hormones are nornmal .... HELP!


Bernsy, I'm not sure what your height/weight is but just by looking I'd say you're probably not eating enough calories! When you eat too few, it seems like your body will hold onto what fat it has for dear life... not a good thing!

Definitely DON'T lower fat. I'd increase it and increase your calories. Your protein may be a little bit off depending too, and you could tweak that down a little if you find you need to... but I'd start by upping your calories and fat a little and see where that takes you. I couldn't lose at 1200-1300 calories a day, so I had to up it to 1500-1600 before I saw the scale budge Smile

Melanie | 27 | PCOS/Hypothyroid/Adrenal Fatigue
Goal #1 - 150 | Goal #2 - 140-145 | Overall Goal - tone and maintain!
"Be who you are, and say what you feel... because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind." - attributed to Dr. Seuss
raindroprose...

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Posted: 08 May 2013, 08:10
cpresson wrote:
134 today. Coming back down again.


Yay Chapel! Very Happy

Melanie | 27 | PCOS/Hypothyroid/Adrenal Fatigue
Goal #1 - 150 | Goal #2 - 140-145 | Overall Goal - tone and maintain!
"Be who you are, and say what you feel... because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind." - attributed to Dr. Seuss
raindroprose...

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Posted: 08 May 2013, 08:19
Well, still 150 pounds for the third or fourth day in a row today... but for once that's a cause for CELEBRATION! It's TOM so I would have normally already gained a half pound to a pound at least, and I'm on those steroids now which I've been terrified are going to make me puff up like a balloon Razz So far no balloon puffing, just lots and lots of muscle pain that I hope goes away soon and isn't a permanent side effect... I have my doctor's number ready though in case I have to call. It DOES say to call "as soon as possible" if you experience muscle pain with them, but well... I have those pains on a fairly regular basis anyway so it's hard to tell WHAT caused them. So I'm hanging back and trying to be sure that it's the steroids before calling up to complain Laughing

Made some changes lately though that I think may or may not stick through this whole steroid nonsense... I'll probably be on them a couple years, I really don't know.

But so far I've learned that these types of steroids actually EAT muscle proteins. Which scared the crap out of me Laughing I've upped my protein a bit to the 70's instead of the 60's and haven't seen any gains, so I hope that helps somewhat. I'm not really sure if dietary protein is going to help something eating muscle protein... but I guess I can try!

I've also increased my tonics to 4x a day, which is common for TOM but I may try and stick with that for the remainder of my time on the steroids. I've also tried to cut back even FURTHER on my sodium, and I've upped my potassium tabs from 2 to 3. Reason being, I found out that yes... SOME people will experience bizarre body fat issues with these steroids, but a majority of the weight is from retaining water because it makes your body process sodium much less efficiently. Which you know... freaking fantastic, because I already had a HUGE problem with water retention from that Laughing The extra tonic and the extra potassium are in effort to expel some of the extra water, and keep my sodium/potassium balance at a decent level. And I'm trying to keep my sodium below 1200mg whenever possible now, and trying to NEVER go above 1500mg because in the past I'd retain water at those levels anyway. Sucks to be me, I know. Bye bye big plates of breakfast meats Doubt

It's hard knowing what to do without REALLY knowing what I'm doing, but so far it seems to be helping! Smile

Melanie | 27 | PCOS/Hypothyroid/Adrenal Fatigue
Goal #1 - 150 | Goal #2 - 140-145 | Overall Goal - tone and maintain!
"Be who you are, and say what you feel... because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind." - attributed to Dr. Seuss
amandacj08

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Posted: 08 May 2013, 09:14
I bought a fancy omoron scale that measures muscle, body fat, visceral body fat etc. I really wanted to see if "gains" were muscle or body fat or what. I've used it for a week now. My lowest weight on it was 189.8 (last Friday am) after several days of eating between 1700-1800 cals. Saturday I only ate 1350, Sunday I was at nearly 1900 but I took an hour long walk, Monday 1850, Tues 1900 with a hard body conditioning workout. I weighed 191.6 today, and my muscle was up 1% so maybe it's muscle, maybe it's bunk...but interesting none the less.

I was also happy to see that my visceral body fat was in the low normal range. Smile I had always heard I was the "healthy" fat because I never had blood pressure issues, was active with no problems and carry most of my weight in my lower half, but that was kinda cool to see also.

I'm shooting for 1700ish calories today and plenty of water since I still feel puffy from Texas Roadhouse Sunday.
reddarin

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Posted: 08 May 2013, 09:18
Bernsy, what is your current weight, reference weight and activity level? Are you taking any Rx or OTC meds? Any previous health conditions?

Also, you should weigh the coconut butter rather than use tbs measurements.

Are you logging everything? No off-log snacks?
amandacj08

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Posted: 08 May 2013, 09:19
raindroproses wrote:
Well, still 150 pounds for the third or fourth day in a row today... but for once that's a cause for CELEBRATION! It's TOM so I would have normally already gained a half pound to a pound at least, and I'm on those steroids now which I've been terrified are going to make me puff up like a balloon Razz So far no balloon puffing, just lots and lots of muscle pain that I hope goes away soon and isn't a permanent side effect... I have my doctor's number ready though in case I have to call. It DOES say to call "as soon as possible" if you experience muscle pain with them, but well... I have those pains on a fairly regular basis anyway so it's hard to tell WHAT caused them. So I'm hanging back and trying to be sure that it's the steroids before calling up to complain Laughing

Made some changes lately though that I think may or may not stick through this whole steroid nonsense... I'll probably be on them a couple years, I really don't know.

But so far I've learned that these types of steroids actually EAT muscle proteins. Which scared the crap out of me Laughing I've upped my protein a bit to the 70's instead of the 60's and haven't seen any gains, so I hope that helps somewhat. I'm not really sure if dietary protein is going to help something eating muscle protein... but I guess I can try!

I've also increased my tonics to 4x a day, which is common for TOM but I may try and stick with that for the remainder of my time on the steroids. I've also tried to cut back even FURTHER on my sodium, and I've upped my potassium tabs from 2 to 3. Reason being, I found out that yes... SOME people will experience bizarre body fat issues with these steroids, but a majority of the weight is from retaining water because it makes your body process sodium much less efficiently. Which you know... freaking fantastic, because I already had a HUGE problem with water retention from that Laughing The extra tonic and the extra potassium are in effort to expel some of the extra water, and keep my sodium/potassium balance at a decent level. And I'm trying to keep my sodium below 1200mg whenever possible now, and trying to NEVER go above 1500mg because in the past I'd retain water at those levels anyway. Sucks to be me, I know. Bye bye big plates of breakfast meats Doubt

It's hard knowing what to do without REALLY knowing what I'm doing, but so far it seems to be helping! Smile


Hugs!! ihave a huge problem with sodium too! It can take me more than a week to shed water weight gained by eating in a restaurant. What are the tonics you are talking about?
reddarin

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Posted: 08 May 2013, 09:20
What steroid is it Melanie?
raindroprose...

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Posted: 08 May 2013, 09:29
amandacj08 wrote:
Hugs!! ihave a huge problem with sodium too! It can take me more than a week to shed water weight gained by eating in a restaurant. What are the tonics you are talking about?


Awww that stinks! I really try to watch what I order in restaurants based on their nutritional menus (and usually avoid places that don't have them like the plague Laughing ) but I know they usually still overshoot the seasoning, so it's really hard to do.

Are you on BP meds? If not you may want to look into taking potassium as a supplement if you don't already. A lot of times the issues people have with sodium are because their potassium and sodium are really out of balance... sometimes just adding potassium or eating more potassium rich foods seems to help Smile

The tonics I'm talking about are my ACV tonics I mix up every day Smile I take a tall glass of water (or an empty Fuze bottle lately because I'm lazy and like to shake it up rather than stir, LOL!) and then I add 1T of Braggs ACV, and some sweetener... shake shake shake, and drink it with a straw. The ACV helps a LOT of different things, but it helps to combat that extra water weight really well!

As a comparison, the TOM before I started drinking the tonics I packed on 4 pounds of water weight and was painfully bloated... the first month I drank the tonics 4x a day during TOM I only gained 1 pound the whole week and had no pain Smile

Melanie | 27 | PCOS/Hypothyroid/Adrenal Fatigue
Goal #1 - 150 | Goal #2 - 140-145 | Overall Goal - tone and maintain!
"Be who you are, and say what you feel... because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind." - attributed to Dr. Seuss
raindroprose...

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Posted: 08 May 2013, 09:34
reddarin wrote:
What steroid is it Melanie?


It's Hydrocortisone, which is (as I'm sure you know) a corticosteroid.

I'm glad to be on that rather than Prednisone because that stuff made my mom puff up like a puffer fish Neutral But from the research I've done into these types of steroids... they still eat muscle protein, and they still suppress your immune system. I'm primarily on them (and likely will be for years, blah) to fix my adrenal gland problems, but if it turns out I have the autoimmune I was tested for it should also be helping to suppress that.

Melanie | 27 | PCOS/Hypothyroid/Adrenal Fatigue
Goal #1 - 150 | Goal #2 - 140-145 | Overall Goal - tone and maintain!
"Be who you are, and say what you feel... because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind." - attributed to Dr. Seuss