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Julie42

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Posted: 10 Feb 2013, 15:55
Well, I could be wrong. And, I certainly hope I am. I just don't want anyone's feelings to get hurt.
~Julie~

atriel2

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Posted: 10 Feb 2013, 15:58
Julie - to be honest, I thought the group was having a discussion about cheat days. Some people do them, some people don't.
I don't see anything negative in any of the posts. Or that anyone is being singled out as wrong in the choices that they're making.
The important thing in this, is, that there was/ is a discussion about it, which is invaluable in this journey.
- Toni


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Mini Goal: 162
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Myrna Louise

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Posted: 10 Feb 2013, 16:26
Ok kids, let's not fight! This is a SUPPORT GROUP...and as such we have to be open to ALL QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS....And all opinions...

I wrote what I wrote because that is how I feel, as did Toni. That may not be what everyone else is doing or the reasons why they are doing it..If Lady Di's way works for her, then it works for her....I will support her WOE, even if it's not mine.

We are like a family here and we can discuss whatever needs discussed....The intent of some of the opinions were to make sure the newbies understood that trying to lose weight the low-carb way is LIFE CHANGING! Sure, sometimes you eat something you shouldn't....you just need to remember what put the weight on and why you decided to go this route....

JULIE WROTE: It's been stated over and over: "We're all in this together". Whether I carb cycle, Rockmela has a higher carb day once a week, or Myrna stays under 20 net carbs every day--WE ARE A GROUP IN THIS JOURNEY TOGETHER, and we need to support each other. Changing your lifestyle is hard enough without being scrutinized for every little piece of food that goes in your mouth. I AM ADDING: This is where we learn from each other, help each other, and maybe, just maybe...find something else, or someone else to help us along our path!

TONI: I agree with your last post!

We don't want anyone to leave this group....we only have room to grow! Low Carb dreams my friends!

[b] [i]270-down to 180 = 90 (11 1/2 Months)

We have chosen a path in the road...sometimes we will hit a bump, trip on a rock, miss a corner, and slam right into a mountain....but if we just back up a little, we can get right back on the path!
2227Gwen

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Posted: 10 Feb 2013, 16:57
This thread was hard to follow today...but I joined the group for support and to be able to support others no matter what WoE plan they are adopting or adapting. I hope that everyone has a successful week ahead.
tenkilos

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Posted: 10 Feb 2013, 17:33
Welcome all our newbies, I have been away for a few days enjoying the lovely Melbourne Australia, Melbourne has so much to offer, history, entertainment, art, ShOpPiNg etc etc oh and FoOd! Restaurants galore, China Town, Greek precinct, the city is FULL of cafes and places to eat. Loved the laneways that are dedicated to graffiti artists, the graffiti is amazing... I don't like idiot graffiti where they just use their signature to do their thing around-their logo so to speak, and they don't care where they do it.. peoples fences-trains- any bit of clean surface they can find! In Melbourne the artists have been given areas where they can showcase their art.. and art it is, incredible! So huge are the murals. I'll post some on my facebook page later on today if you are interested in looking at some pic's Linda Brown artist look me up Smile

Diet wise-blew it -knew I would, sigh, ah well, have not weighed myself yet, must say though my legs are sore from walking, we walked all of the CBD, so I may be okay... will post the news good or bad later.

Everyone is welcome here, any type of low carb diet, or any other diet for that matter, reading our posts is an education, we are open for discussion on any way of eating , it's so interesting reading about how everyone manages their weight loss. We all realise what works for someone else might not work for us. I would hope anyone contemplating losing weight the low carb way would research how to do it, in saying that we have had people join us asking for info', and others thinking they are doing low carb realise that they actually are not... they have been sent links and good advice to help them along the way, and they have been very grateful.
It can get very confusing to new low carbers when they are reading about fat fast/cheat days/fasting so I'm thinking we need a special topic, like 'Starting out- the low carb basics-keeping it simple' We could have some links there to good low carb diet sites like Atkins, South Beach, Dukan etc and good basic advice about how the low carb diet works, how to prepare-what foods to purchase, something about getting into ketosis-what it is etc What do you think?

Edit: Just had a look at our forum topics, we have a number of topics that could be merged into a 'low carb basics-keeping it simple' topic, it would be much better all in one place. I am going away for a week on Wednesday and have heaps to do at home b4 I go, is anyone up for the challenge of organising the merge? It will be mainly copy and pasting all the useful info and organising it so that it's easy to understand... Message me if you are happy to give it a go!



Linda
atriel2

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Posted: 10 Feb 2013, 18:46
Myrna - thank you.

Linda - I can help with the merging.
- Toni


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Mini goal: 182
Mini Goal: 162
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Mini Goal: 125

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BBD5

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Posted: 10 Feb 2013, 21:31
Hi Linda!! Welcome back! glad to hear you enjoyed your mini-trip! Sounds like it was fun! You're a busy lady these days and off again in a few more days.....

I would like to further say - never have I been on this site/group and every wanted someone to exclude themselves or to be quiet! With that being said..

1st and foremost I would like to say that the subject of CHEATING was to be a discussion not a tit for tat negative conversation. There was no intention on my behalf to alienate anyone or make them feel they have to be quiet on the choices of their diet. Everyone is welcome on the site, HECK I’ve even stated that I enjoy the chatter. We are all adults and DISCUSSIONS are always important. Negative comments, jabs, or hidden messages are not necessary.

Yes, “ I “ always say ….. WE ARE IN THIS TOGETHER because we are.. Is there something wrong with feeling part of a team and wanting to express themselves about a certain topic? I think not! So again, hopefully on my part I didn’t “entertain” or amuse you in a negative way or offend you.

Hopefully we can move forward positively and be able to have wonderful informative conversations in the future.. Hope everyone had a great Weekend!

tenkilos

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Posted: 11 Feb 2013, 01:14
Thanks BBD, I don't often go on hols but these two just happened to happen close to each other Smile The next one is a painting holiday, I go every year with 3 other friends and we have a great time... one friend is not an artist, she loves cooking so she cooks all our meals, all we have to do is the dishes after the evening meal... she does everything else! How lucky we are.

Totally agree BBD, this is an open thread for many topics.. everyone has the right to have their say, express their thoughts on the subject, and it must be respected. We are a close group and we have grown together through support and friendship, love it here Smile


Linda
angiekae68

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Posted: 11 Feb 2013, 02:31
Well, I guess, seeing how I was the one who started all this controversy about the whole "cheat" thing, I need to explain where my concerns are coming from.

First of all, let me say that I didn't, and don't, mean to alienate anyone from this group. I'm not setting out to try and tell anyone what they can discuss about their daily routines, their victories, or their struggles. There are many things that make this a great group, and one of them is most certainly hearing what others have to say. A lot of people have been helped by simply reading about each others journeys. It helps us to relate with one another, and it lets us know that we are not alone. It's a type of therapy, I think.

In saying that, these are my concerns regarding the talk about cheating and/or planning a cheat day.

When we first start out in trying to change our eating habits, it's very difficult to stay on track, as we all know. It's more difficult for some than it is for others, but for all of us, there's always that temptation to "cheat", or in other words, to eat something that we still have a craving for. For many, doing that brings on the feeling of guilt, and that feeling of guilt makes you feel bad about yourself. In a lot of cases, feeling bad about yourself just makes you want to eat more, and leads you back into eating the way you used to eat, which is what brought us all here in the first place.

I fully understand that we all have different eating plans that work for us as individuals. No two people's plans are exactly the same because we're all different. We have different eating habits, and we lead different lives. But, we need to remember that people come here looking for help, guidance, encouragement, support and motivation. They come here because this is a group that is active, and because they have decided to try to eat the low-carb way and this is a group called "Low Carb Daily Check In". Most people generally associate low-carb with Atkins. They don't know us personally, nor do they know the different plans we all follow. Many times, they don't know very much about eating low-carb, so they are here to learn, and they learn from what they read here. In my mind, it's a disservice to them if we, as a group, don't offer them the correct information. We certainly don't want to teach them to "cheat". We should, instead, be giving them strength and reinforcing them with the fact that they "CAN DO THIS!".

Once they determine how the low-carb way of eating fits into their lives, then they can adjust it as they see fit, but they need to have a good foundation first. They need to have the proper tools, and they need to get to the point where they are past the cravings and know that if they do eat something off plan, that they have the determination and the will power to go back to the plan immediately. Getting to that point doesn't happen overnight, nor does it come easily. They need to prove to themselves that they CAN say "no" to certain foods the majority of the time, and see the rewards for doing so. If they think that they can have a "cheat day" once a week when they're first starting out, I'm afraid they will be setting themselves up for failure, and for many, that failure is the very emotion that will cause them to stop trying.

So, those are my concerns and are what prompted me to say something in the first place. I will always help and encourage anyone, no matter what their eating plan is, but I will also give some tough love if I think it's needed, and I hope that you all will also do the same for me.

"This one step - choosing a goal and sticking to it - changes everything." - Scott Reed
tenkilos

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Posted: 11 Feb 2013, 02:36
Well said Angie Smile people new to low carbing do need to get the correct basic info and good advice when starting out, they need mentoring, through the first stages of low carb eating to set them up for success.






Linda
tenkilos

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Posted: 11 Feb 2013, 03:16
Food for thought
From personal experience, I know if I go off plan I have to jump back on very quickly or I get cravings for carby foods like potatoes and bread..and as Atriel said I will have set myself back about 2-3 days (it takes that amount of time to get back into ketosis) and probably gained a little weight too. So I certainly don't want to go off plan on a regular basis or I will never lose anything! I am pretty much at goal, but if I was just starting out it would take a long time to lose weight if I went off plan regularly. I lost all of my weight by sticking to low carb eating.

I don't think we need a separate thread for non low carbers.
I know we are a low carb group, but I will welcome any one who want to join us whatever their way of eating is. To be honest I think most people doing other diets like weight watchers or whatever would seek out the company of those groups and not low carb, but we may attract some people who are doing other diets and are interested in low carb and want to learn more about it, that's why I would to keep the group open to all

Our numbers are growing daily, because you are such a great group! Good interesting topics, something for everyone here Smile

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Linda
angiekae68

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Posted: 11 Feb 2013, 03:18
Yes! Exactly, Linda! Smile So glad you had a great time and a safe trip. I know you're looking forward to having some time with the girls, too Smile And you've got a cook going with you, too! What a deal! LOL! Go and have a relaxing, fun time. You deserve it! Smile

"This one step - choosing a goal and sticking to it - changes everything." - Scott Reed
tenkilos

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Posted: 11 Feb 2013, 03:20
Thanks Angie xxx big hugs


Linda
Julie42

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Posted: 11 Feb 2013, 03:40
Good morning, everybody!

Angie- Thank you for that heartfelt and eloquent post. Well done!

Please allow me to say that ever since we started talking about cheat days, one of our members seemed to vanish--one who was checking in quite regularly. Maybe I was wrong. Maybe that person was simply busy. But I felt the need to protect that person's feelings, and I only had good intentions. I'm quite fond of everyone in this group, and I'd do the same for any one of you.

I agree with everyone who said that we need to have the correct information available for new members coming in. When just starting out on ANY new way of eating, I believe that consistency is key and weekly "anything goes" days are probably not going to help you attain your goal. It would not have worked for me. But it works for some people, and that's okay too. But to keep it simple for new members, I agree that a thread about the basics of low carb eating is a great idea. Maybe "cheating" can be addressed in this thread--whether to do it or not, or when it's okay to splurge (if ever). Let me know your thoughts.

Anyway, I hope that clears things up a bit and we can start a new, low carb day. Cheers!
~Julie~

Sunkeeper

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Posted: 11 Feb 2013, 05:12
Good morning Low Carb friends

It saddens me to see this get blown up the way it has. I just have a couple of questions. If one of the members here told us their husband was "cheating" on them would it be ok? If you found out your child was "cheating" on a test or exam would it be ok? If you were playing a game and "cheated" would it be ok?

As friends here, a support system for each other, how in the world can anyone in their right mind accept and support another cheating? It's not ok, it's wrong.

If this thread is no longer going to be about low carb the title should be changed. Fat fasting members took their discussion to a new thread, maybe the cheaters could too. Julie my thoughts on a new thread for the basics of low carb eating would be it would sit stagnant like so many others. Newbies want to talk to live people on their quest for a better me, people who have been in their shoes and have had success. I'll bet another thread would be a waste of someone's good time as it won't get used.

How can we have a thread titled low carb if it's not about low carb? What the heck is the point? That's almost as silly as saying cheating is perfectly acceptable.

So my Mon morning starts out with me thinking are you crazy, why would you ever think a thread titled low carb would be about low carb living?

Is it just me?

Julie42

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Posted: 11 Feb 2013, 05:36
You make a good point, Sunkeeper.
~Julie~

Sunkeeper

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Posted: 11 Feb 2013, 06:26
I have a question for the experienced members. Is it possible to drink to much water? I drank over my weight in water yesterday, lost some this morning but when is enough to much or is there a to much?

atriel2

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Posted: 11 Feb 2013, 06:31
Still groggy but I think 500 ounces is the "too much" mark as far as what your body can process. I usually drink about 200 ounces of water.
- Toni


Starting weight 212 on 1/10/14
Mini goal: 182
Mini Goal: 162
Mini Goal: 142
Mini Goal: 125

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LynCaro

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Posted: 11 Feb 2013, 06:59
Hi Sunkeeper.

Regarding the question of can one drink too much water, the answer is yes. There is such a thing as water poisoning - also called water intoxication or dilutional hyponatremia. This takes a whole lot of water - not to get too technical there - and comes from things like stupid water drinking contests or, sorry to even mention it, forced water consumption as a form of torture.

For just us regular want-to-stay-fully-hydrated types, there are way too many factors at play to have any uniform guideline. For several years I routinely drank between about 8 and 14 or so 8 oz glasses of water a day. It had some of the good effects - my skin looked great - but it also seems to have contributed to a really unfortunate bladder condition. I was told that this may well have been in part a cumulative effect of all of the chlorine and flouride and who knows what else in the water.

Anyway, I have cut back to somewhere around the 8 glasses that you see recommended everywhere and I only drink filtered water if I can manage it. I do wonder if drinking much more that we are actually thirsting for may mess with our electrolyte levels and such, but I also know that it is important to stay hydrated.

There. That really wan't any help at all, was it?
If you have good thoughts they will shine out of your face like sunbeams and you will always look lovely." - Roald Dahl
LynCaro

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Posted: 11 Feb 2013, 07:17
On another point, folks, let me offer my take on the "cheating" talk on a diet forum of any sort. I hope that this will not hurt anyone's feelings and have to say that personally, I can generally just skip over those posts and keep marching along the way. I have done this before and I know what I have to do. Still, here is my main concern. Sugar, in all its forms,simple carbs, etc., really does seem to be addictive. I know that it feels that way for me and I have read a good bit of material that supports that view of it. When I make up my mind to go low carb, it is a bit like an alcoholic making up his mind to go sober or a heroin addict deciding to get clean. The last thing that an addict needs, particularly in the early stages of recovery, is to tempt himself with "just a little" of whatever the addictive substance may be. He - and, of course, I mean she, too -make that "we" need to take our minds off of what we are trying to leave out of our lives. We don't need reminders of what we are giving up. We need encouragement to stay the course. If something along the line of a "cheat day" system works for you and you want to keep doing it, then you are plainly 100% free to have at it but, for the sake of all who want and need the focus on and support of something approaching full on low carb eating, how about messaging each other privately about the "cheating" type stuff and focusing just on the days you are low-carbing here? Does that sound like it would work for everyone?
If you have good thoughts they will shine out of your face like sunbeams and you will always look lovely." - Roald Dahl