-Diablo's Journal, 01 May 2016

Yeah, maybe for normal weight range people. I'm thinking maybe LCHF isn't for every genetic type or ethnicity... But it sure is working for me! For instance, I've been at around 225-232 for 2 years. Finally a month or two ago really started LCHF (and joined FS) BAM! 13 pounds dropped! So... As some people work well at a desk job, some others rather work under the sun. Some people are mechanics, some are lawyers. Some have allergies, some don't. Some people actually lose weight on LCHF, some are better at RDI with carbs. People are different... 

Nope. 

"In short: you can’t beat thermodynamics anymore than anything else in the universe. You. Are. Not. Different. You can’t gain bodymass unless your energy intake exceeds your energy output because you can’t make something out of nothing (muscle or fat). And you can’t lose bodymass unless your energy intake is less than your energy ouput. These are rules that every system in the universe has to follow, including the human body. Nature’s rules, not mine to quote the all-knowing Mr. Miyagi. We may not like them, but we have to live by them anyway." http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/you-are-not-different.html/ Now, you're talking about personal preferences. If a particular way of eating helps you adhere to a calorie deficit, then by all means, stick to it. :) 

Very cool you quoted Mr. Miyagi, I really liked Pat Morita's character, in fact I loved the karate kid movies (the older ones). What about the issue of hunger pains? So far I'm not getting them doing LCHF, but before with just limiting calories I was in excruciating hunger pain, irritable, wanting to give up! 

That was a quote from Lyle Mcdonald, not me. You're personally more satieted by the foods you currently consume. I would be miserable eating them. That's a preference. :) 

I have a friend who is losing 1lb a day eating the way I do. His current weight is 331lbs. He is simply creating a large calorie deficit. He has pizza (frozen) and other treats daily. 

Diablo...with all due respect people are different and even the same people are different as they age with how hormones and other health issues affect their movement, efficiency of converting, storing or using food (fuel)...you should know this by now.  

As I have said before to you, we all know that Calories in need to be less than calories expended...how people arrive at that is very often a personal choice...what works for you & me may not work for others...I get that...if it was as simple as you say it is then we wouldn't even be having this "conversation".  

All above post referencing losing weight 

Ketogenic works for me because it cuts my cravings and binges. I'm a carbohydrate addict, just like an alcoholic, just a little bit of refined carbs and it triggers cravings for days. It's hard to argue with that. It's a diet that I can stay on (50 lbs lost and 65 to go). 

There is a DIET TALK forum post from yesterday discussing the regain of weight by show contestants on "The Biggest Loser". The article discussed how leptin levels plummeted as these folks lost weight and never adequately rebounded. Now they fight with constant cravings, hunger and binge eating...don't be to concerned if your weight loss is slow & steady with the odd plateau...you might have a better chance of maintaining in the long run.  

Certain foods can affect individuals differently when it comes to satiety, I already addressed that, but no, I don't believe certain calories cause more or less weight gain in certain individuals. In a metabolic ward study, the differences in people would be negligible. 

the real world is not a metabolic ward. 

Still discussing Kevin Hall's statistically insignificant study, eh, Diablo? I loved the end of the interview where he claims the keto insulin theory has been "falsified!", he couldn't keep a straight face, he knew he was blowing hot air.  

We are not even on the same page Steven. We must all adapt to what works for us. I am not denying that..... 

We get it, Phil, LCHF helped you lose weight. It helped you attain a calorie deficit, awesome. Still not optimal for fat loss for everyone, still doesn't provide a metabolic advantage. Unless you need to follow it to adhere to a deficit. Good for you, man. :) 

Would you rather I ignore posts on this journal? This post is from May 1st, it isn't from after the previous discussion. 

Also, again, the only reason you find it insignificant is because you believe in special butterflys. Poor guy. 

I have a hard time understanding why you feel such a strong desire to debunk different approaches to weight loss. It's not like I'm trying to persuade anyone to lose weight following a ketogenic diet, in fact I think it's foolish to offer anyone advice without thoroughly vetting them to get an idea of their own personal preferences. A friend of mine recently asked me for help and the first question I asked him was if he had any favorite foods he was unwilling to give up. I had him write out a list of what he had eaten for the last week, asked him if there was anything on the list that he wouldn't consider changing and went from there. He was partial to his steel cut oats for breakfast. Definitely not a keto-friendly food, but that's ok, I ended up recommending he start shaving calories. Told him to step on the scale for a baseline, log his calories for a week, and weigh again. If he hadn't lost weight drop his calories by 500, wait another week, weigh again, and see how it goes. Calorie counting might be the best way for him, and this is a typical example of how I approach advice to others. If, after a month he hasn't seen the progress he wants we would re-evaluate. He's really not what I would consider an ideal prospect for a ketogenic diet, he's got about thirty pounds to lose. I posted yesterday what I thought about insulin response in the morbidly obese, it's a symptom, not the cause, but you treat the symptom by removing the antagonist. Over-consumption is the genesis of obesity, but once you introduce a new variable into the system, you change the dynamic of the system, simply cutting back on calories won't solve the problem once you've gotten to that point.  

I always try to wade thru these posts with all the scientific studies, claims, and proofs of one way or the other. Usually I don't make it as it is just too much. I don't usually comment as I have no studies or statistics to quote. What I AM going to say is this: I have been on the weight gain/loss roller coaster for many years and I am open to ALL suggestions and love reading about what HAS worked and NOT worked for people. At this point in my life I am all about how I feel. Currently I eat LCHF. I FEEL so much better. Maybe if I ate a more "balanced" low calorie diet I would have lost the weight also, but I know how I feel when I try it that way, yucky and hungry. But that's just me, I like to share MY experiences with others in the hope it will resonate with someone struggling, just like I was/am. I hope people will keep sharing THEIR experiences, the good and the bad, I learn from THAT more so than so much scientific studies. My fear is that when someone shares something and it gets shot down with so many studies "proving" them wrong, they will stop sharing and that would suck!