Tbaygirl's Journal, 22 September 2017

You gotta do what works for you. 

Nope, it isn't for everyone, but you've been plugging along really well, maybe talk with a couple here that have modified it some to fit their personal needs. I follow it to the letter, but my weight loss has dropped off in the amount per week, it's a long road, but you can do it! 

Tbaygirl, I was on keto for over 2 months, followed religiously and did not loose a single #, actually gained. I then modified my WOE by not adding the extra fat as I had plenty on my body to use up..They call it fat deficit.You use your own body fat as your fat source. I then started loosing every week after that. After some time when some of my fat disappeared, I stop loosing weight again.I then switched to a 16-8 plan WOE, where I did not eat for 16 hours, did not eat after 6-7 pm, skipped breakfast and then ate lunch and dinner , I was sleeping for 7-8 hours, so it was not hard getting use to, still had my coffee w/ cream in Morning, I then started to loose weight again not fast, but 1-2 #s per week sometimes more.I did much research and found that I that was not always the foods you ate,but it was from insulin release from pancreas that henders weight loss.There are many articles on this on you tube.You should use the WOE what WORKS for YOU and something you can live with and you should keep experimenting to get the best results. If I can loose over 240#s with no WLS,you can do it to, Good Luck on your journey, 

What does @Chesgreen say... keep your body confused? Intermittent Fasting (IF) combined with reducing your RDI (calories) periodically, eating within an 8 hour window, drinking your liquids AFTER your meals, taking a multi-vitamin, trying to eat fiber at each meal... have all worked for me. 

It's the only thing that's ever worked for me combined with intermittent fasting, but if you strictly adhered to the WOE and it didn't work for you, then it didn't work for you. You need to find what works for your body. 

Don't throw in the towel yet. Quitting is not an option. This is a marathon not a sprint. 16 / 8 could be the trick your body needs. It has worked for MANY including me when I needed a breakthrough. You will have to play around with the hours that fits your schedule but as an example let's say you wait to eat your 1st meal @ 11 AM, let your last meal be @ 7 PM. Hunger shouldn't be an issue because most of the 16 hours are during down time and or sleeping. Just a suggestion. Hang in there and shake it up. 

There's support here for whatever WOE you choose! Leanne Vogel has a lot of criticism of male-based keto practices being adopted 1:1 by women; her site might be worth looking at as you find your own WOE.  

Given your age and gender, notwithstanding your height, your daily average calories are too high. You'd likely do much better on any eating plan if you could get your daily calories down to somewhere in the 1600-2000 range. The folks I've seen here who have had great keto success usually use the diet to satisfy their hunger with fewer calories overall, combined with whatever the effects on insulin release may be. Draglist's website diettruth.org has some good calorie calculator links. The first one is especially good, especially in expert mode. You can adjust your FatSecret RDI to any number you choose. Many of us on this site find the FS RDIs to be too high. 

Keto isn't for everyone. I can't do high fat diets, eating fatty foods have caused painful gallbladder attacks. But there are plenty of other options. Reading all the posts here has made me much more aware of how many carbs I am having, but I know myself and know I can't do really low carb long term. But I CAN practice portion control and am losing weight (20 pounds in less than 2 months). Breakfast today was 1/4 of a bagel instead of the whole thing with reduced fat cream cheese. I've been known to make 1/4 of a grilled cheese sandwich on the griddle. I also do 16/8 fasting the opposite way most people do. I eat between 6am and 2pm and am satisfied. Will normally drink water, diet soda or a hot drink to keep me from feeling hungry after 2 or 3pm. 

Keto is so so hard the first three to four weeks. I lost nothing until the fourth week. I changed nothing and the weight started coming off. It was really amazing. Goog luck  

Oh for the love of ceilingdwellerimaginaryfriend, please don't listen to the kcal police. I'm shorter than you are, a little older, practically sedentary, and FS' RDI would have put me into starvation-survival mode if I'd stuck with it. You might need *more* food, and more carbs, which might still keep you in ketosis. It takes time for gall bladder to adjust to the percentage of fat required even with calories deficit. Not trying to talk you into staying keto! I lost a LOT and drastically improved health over 18 months lowish carb, few processed foods, varied IF. Only joined here to track and get consistency. Then fell into keto (too abruptly, in retrospect) hoping for even energy and improved mental clarity, bc lowish carb still left me with crashes. No idea what "WOE" I'm doing now, just photo logging so I can look back and see what I ate instead of frustration of trying to remember. In any case, Ches' "keep your body guessing" makes far more sense for me personally, given my lives experience of my own body than the "lower calories!" continent's sermons do. YKMV. You'll find what works best for you for this season. (FWIW Ches is wise and inspiring but I'll forever associate him with blueberry pie.) 

The blueberry pie guy has a surprise for you Tbaygirl and all tomorrow. Soooooo Excitied!!!!!!  

Never a shortage of encourage and sage advice here greatly appreciate your time in providing me with your insights, I'm not throwing in the towel just yet and not making any drastic changes right now I've read some horrible things about introducing a lot of carbs after being low carb for a while. I so admire everyone that is managing fasting and intermittent eating I'll be honest no one in their right mind would want to be around me when I have not eaten for more then 4 hours I'm the reason they invented the word "hangry" :) I have been seriously looking at trying to reduce my calories, by eliminating my snacks in the morning and afternoon, but haven't been feeling good when I do that, oh well it is a journey and I'll need to continue to adjust .... thanks again everyone. 

hi, check your inches - measure... I felt the same as you - scale wasn't moving for a while so I took my measurements, and wow, was I surprised 😊 

I think you really need to experiment. When I started I foolishly was eating nearly 3000 calories and cut carbs a little and expected results. Well, nothing happened. So, I slowly each week started dropping my numbers until something happened. Now, everyone is different but give it some time, change it up and see what works for you. 

The "hangries" were what drew me to the idea of keto. Being in the middle of something else I was *very* interested in continuing ;-) , but having to stop because suddenly wildly hungry and it MUST be addressed? Miserable, possibly not only for me. I'll do anything to be freed from that. --- WRT re-introducing carbs, this is just anecdata, but: When my partner has taken high-carb splurge times (3 days to 3 weeks) between a1c sessions (3 months), they've retained water and otherwise bloated up a bit, but it dropped off within the first few days back on low-ish carb. Now they've dropped to almost no carbs, but for a while was still eating solid-rye bread and a lot of baked-to-fries cauliflower, and using standard salad dressings, so not in the 20g range at all. My current pet idea is that a lot of the downfall in re-introducing carbs is inflammation-related, which I suspect is affected more by food choices than by increase of carbs per se. -- Perks' start doesn't sound unreasonable to me; establishing a baseline then proceeding with data. Optimism of immediate results might be a set-up for disappointment with that approach, but what do I know?! 

@ches ok blueberry pie guy I will await my surprise - yeah love surprises. @msexania I think I will try the measurement thing my clothes do feel better that's for sure - I have lost almost 17lbs about 10 of those on keto, but seeing an increase this week did not feel good. @T8U9 yes maybe its my age I'm just use to seeing pretty steady results as long as I'm doing the work and not cheating @perks finding it hard to keep my fat up without serious calories, so have ot look at some different meal combos After 3 weeks of staying pretty close to a total carb count of 20 gm a day I might splurge and make those low carb brownies I saw on diet doctor .com  

It's all about the caloric intake. Less calories in than you metabolize means weight loss. Proteins do keep you fuller for longer with the same calories. Simple carbohydrates will raise blood sugars higher and will you will be hungry quicker. But, as you point out, everyone is different. Your metabolism is different than mine. Your social expectations from eating is different from mine. Your attitudes toward food is different from mine. So it makes sense that your WOE should be different from mine. Whatever works for you, GO FOR IT...you have my support...good luck.  

@ScottH I'm not sure CICO is always the entire story. My SAD maintenance kcal is probably 1700. Lowish carb, 2200 or so. Keto, something really weird happened; maybe my body wasn't absorbing the fat? I also notice body changes depending on what and when I eat even though total numbers seemed relatively consistent. @Tbaygirl, I wasn't weighing but if clothes and undergarments any indication, I had times of inexplicable (to me anyway) gains during 18 months of overall steady loss. I'm not buying the idea that metabolism or fitness potential drop with age. No answers here, just strong belief you'll find what works for your best. 

Ok refocused and going to push on I'm low on my carbs today, so will figure out what special 5g carb treat to have this Friday Night, I'm also lower on my calories so will hopefully be able to keep those down as well. Tomorrow night I'm out and going to have my first drink in 3 weeks (vodka soda and lime wedge I can't wait:) The plan is just 1 lol