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Sasha-Anne

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Posted: 30 Jun 2013, 10:21
Has anyone tried them?
Spacey47

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Posted: 30 Jun 2013, 10:46
Sasha these sorts of things do not work, keytones or any other 'special' supplements

I had a quick read of your bio, you know what you are doing wrong
you just need to reverse it , reduce the eating and increase the activity.........its the only way long term that will get you where you want to be


BTW its hilarious to hear someone say When I was YOUNGER and they are only 22!
Sasha-Anne

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Posted: 30 Jun 2013, 11:00
Haha I'm now 23! I don't feel so young being a full time mom I guess :L anyway I know from posts on here you're very anti anything to do with fad diets or supplements,and I don't agree with diet pills or protein shakes or juicing or anything but apparently these are just meant to boost metabolism and I'm interested if it works (of course)! Mines seems to be a bit fecked after being on hormone injections so hopefully it'll go back to normal soon but if anything helps in the mean time I'm willing to try it..!
Spacey47

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Posted: 30 Jun 2013, 11:30
well the trouble with fad diets or supplements is that they dont work!

if they did i would be the first person to use them and there would be no obese people in the world

good luck anyways
Sasha-Anne

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Posted: 30 Jun 2013, 12:09
Fad diets are useful if you have an event and want to drop a few pounds quick. Anyone that thinks they're anything but a quick fix is an idiot. I'm not expecting rasberry keytones to be a miracle worker,obviously it wouldnt work on its own and i wouldnt expect it to,but if it boosts my metabolism then happy days. Anyway I'm lookin for feedback from people who tried them.
msciciagape

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Posted: 31 Jul 2013, 00:18
I think I am going to try these as well. I saw the show on Dr. Oz and it looked promising.
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jadenmiller

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Posted: 31 Jul 2013, 00:34
Raspberry Ketone is an aromatic compound that produces the smell of raspberries. Clinically approved that Raspberry ketones enhance fat loss with weight management. Raspberry ketone can help the efficiency of the metabolism by rising the body's core temperature which increase the body's fat burning abilities.
http://sdpharmaceuticals.com/RaspberryKetone200.html
onedaat

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Posted: 31 Jul 2013, 08:15
There is no clinical evidence for the weight loss effect from raspberry ketones in humans.


Nutritional supplement manufacturer Andrew Lessman's criticism of raspberry ketone marketing


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First of all, there are no fat-burning miracles and any such statement is absolutely false. Recently, Dr. Mehmet Oz, a popular TV doctor, promoted raspberry ketone on his show as: “The #1 miracle in a bottle to burn your fat.” This show was nothing more than a weight-loss commercial for a nonexistent weight-loss ingredient. Any doctor knows that fat-burning miracles do not exist and such a statement is reckless and harmful to public health. Sadly, his show has caused a buying frenzy for raspberry ketone causing millions of dollars to be squandered by desperate consumers seeking an imaginary “fat-burning miracle.” Even worse, these statements persist on his website and throughout the Internet using his video, name and likeness to sell this fantasy weight-loss miracle.

America’s epidemic of obesity finds us willing to try almost anything to lose weight. It is this desperate struggle with obesity that makes us so vulnerable to the latest miracle weight-loss pills promoted by a trusted TV medical doctor. In his show, Dr. Oz praises raspberry ketone and its “powerful” research, along with its ability to “shrink fat cells” and “naturally trick your body into thinking it’s thin” while he encourages us to try this “#1 miracle in a bottle to burn your fat!” The absurdity of these miracle weight-loss claims is hidden behind the convincing content of the broadcast, along with the credentials and credibility of the medical doctor host.

Raspberry ketone has long been used as a chemical additive in perfumes and cosmetics. Its chemical name is 4(-4-Hydroxyphenyl)butan-2-one and also called Frambinone, Oxyphenylon, Rheosmin and Rasketone. It is used as an additive due to its sweet, fruity aroma. It is only found in trace amounts in raspberries (less than 0.1%), which likely makes the natural material from raspberries too costly for use in supplements. As a result, raspberry ketone rarely comes from raspberries and is instead artificially synthesized. Synthetic raspberry ketone is very cheap. It only costs a couple of dollars per pound, which means that despite the high selling price, even a large bottle contains just pennies of raspberry ketone. Clearly then, the real benefits from raspberry ketone are experienced by those who sell it and not those who use it. In any event, it is important to note that regardless of its cost or source (natural or synthetic), I cannot find any research that proves it provides weight-loss benefits in humans.

During the show, Dr. Oz and his guest emphasize the raspberry ketone research. Dr. Oz touts it as “the #1 miracle in a bottle to burn your fat” and then states that “I’ve never understood how powerful it could be until I started doing the research for this.” Clearly, based upon his research, Dr. Oz has concluded that raspberry ketone is a “powerful” fat-burner…literally a fat-burning “miracle.” He asks his guest, “How did you find it and why do you think it’s so valuable?” She emphatically responds: “Research. Research. Research.” She then emphasizes its health, safety and remarkable efficacy: “I think it’s truly valuable because the ketones come from red raspberries. Very healthy. No side effects and they help your body burn fat. Not only that. They slice it up inside the cells, so it burns fats easier and we all want easier.” Shockingly, Dr. Oz agrees and validates these absurd claims by saying: “Yeah easier and it makes us smarter.”

So what is the research on raspberry ketone and weight-loss? Virtually nothing. You can do the research at the National Institutes of Health website (www.pubmed.gov) by typing “raspberry ketone” in the search box. You will find about 35 studies, but only two are remotely relevant to weight-loss. I could not find a single human weight-loss study. I don’t recall Dr. Oz mentioning there was no human weight-loss research for this miracle fat-burner. Of the two studies I found, one was a mouse study and the other looked at fat cells in a dish. The first study was not blinded (not controlled for bias) and it examined weight-gain in a few male mice fed a high fat diet plus high dose raspberry ketone. It also analyzed some rat liver cells exposed to raspberry ketone. The second study was also not blinded (not controlled for bias) and did not involve humans or any other animal, but instead, just looked at fat cells exposed to raspberry ketone in a petri dish. Neither study specifically showed weight-loss. I also do not recall Dr. Oz mentioning that the level of raspberry ketone given these mice was quite high (0.5% to 2% of food intake). This is equivalent to a human dose of thousands of mgs daily – far higher than the 100 - 200 mgs they recommend in the show. Plus, despite the natural sound of “raspberry” ketone, it is generally a synthetic chemical additive that to my knowledge has not been tested for safety at these levels and/or for weight-loss in humans.

Dr. Oz also claims that raspberry ketone “naturally tricks your body into acting like it’s thin.” Now that is truly a miracle! It’s as good as the prior claim that “it slices up the fat in your cells.” That sounds like fat-reduction surgery in a bottle! Dr. Oz then performs a compelling demonstration using protective goggles, red balloons and liquid nitrogen. Liquid nitrogen is colder than minus 300 degrees! According to Dr. Oz: “When you put the red balloons in the liquid nitrogen, the shrinking balloons are like fat cells and the liquid nitrogen is like raspberry ketone shrinking those fat cells.” According to Dr. Oz, “It excites the fat cells into giving up their fat.” This compelling demonstration gives the clear and persuasive impression that raspberry ketone causes your body to lose its fat and shrink its fat cells and if you remove the raspberry ketone, then your fat cells will expand. If that demo is true, then clearly, raspberry ketone is a weight-loss miracle. Unfortunately, but not surprisingly, I could not find any scientific research that confirms or proves his miraculous claims or demonstration.

The show then discusses the impracticality of eating raspberries to consume raspberry ketone, but neglects to mention that as a result, these “natural” supplements are likely synthetic and/or made without raspberries. The guest also mentions some amazing weight-loss results and tells us we can expect our results in just five days, but still, to this point, there have been no disclaimers. We must wait until the end of the segment to hear the briefest of mentions of diet and exercise followed by Dr. Oz saying that “you should use this to help get you over the hump…not as a miracle pill.” That lone phrase does not diminish the negative impact of the absurd claims that preceded it. One need only look to the buying frenzy caused by this show to assess its adverse consequences.

Many people have felt that my failure to offer a raspberry ketone product meant that I had fallen behind on the research. That is not true. We could have jumped on the bandwagon and sold enormous amounts of this fantasy weight-loss pill, but I will not make a product where there is no human science or detailed safety data. Raspberry ketone is not a weight-loss miracle. In fact, I find no evidence that it is a weight-loss product at all. I have made vitamins for 30+ years and you’d think I’d be thrilled that a popular TV doctor so forcefully promotes supplements on his show, but given the nature of his shows, nothing could be further from the truth.

It is important to note that despite Dr. Oz’s miracle claims, there are no weight-loss shortcuts. To lose weight, we must change the quality, quantity and nature of the food we eat, while also attending to physical activity. It is never easy. A supplement can offer some nutritional support for these efforts, but ultimately, the miracle resides in our ability to make significant life changes. Never in a supplement. There are no weight-loss miracles.

In closing, this article is not about Dr. Oz. It was only written in response to countless inquiries about raspberry ketone. It was time for me to respond to questions about why I do not make a raspberry ketone product and why I would never recommend that anyone consume it. In fact, I would strongly caution against its use.

Best of health.

Andrew
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"It is in vain to speak of cures, or think of remedies, until such time as we have considered the causes . . . cures must be imperfect, lame, and to no purpose, wherein the causes have not first been searched.”

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Rita41

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Posted: 31 Jul 2013, 09:16
I agree onedaat. Companies are preying on the desparate and all you are doing is forking over good money that could go towards nutritious food. There is not a single clinical study done...the dosage given to mice would relate to an incredibly high dose in humans and no studies have been done and will ever be done I imagine.
reddarin

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Posted: 31 Jul 2013, 10:30
"I think it’s truly valuable because the ketones come from red raspberries. Very healthy"

Whew!

It is so funny. A member of my forum was looking for MCT oil, which really does have health benefits, at local health stores in her area and she couldn't find any.

I said, "boy that is strange since MCT oil is a well established nutrition supplement. I bet every store you went into had a big display of raspberry ketones though".

Her: 'yes, what is that stuff'?

lol
onedaat

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Posted: 31 Jul 2013, 10:50
I get MCT oil from Amazon, they have everything and generally the price is significantly lower than local stores. Right now they are selling 32 oz for $21 with free shipping.
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"It is in vain to speak of cures, or think of remedies, until such time as we have considered the causes . . . cures must be imperfect, lame, and to no purpose, wherein the causes have not first been searched.”

- Robert Burton, The Anatomy of Melancholy

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If you don't read the newspaper, you are uninformed. If you do read the newspaper, you are misinformed. - Mark Twain

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Rita41

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Posted: 31 Jul 2013, 11:27
I never even thought to look on Amazon. I'm in Canada...best I could find (I mean ONLY place I could find it) was 16 oz for $16.
Rita41

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Posted: 31 Jul 2013, 11:29
bah ...just looked on amazon.CA... no luck. Bet free shipping from .com won't apply to me.
erika2633

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Posted: 31 Jul 2013, 11:47
Just be really careful about ordering stuff from Amazon - whether it's makeup or perfume or dietary supplements, people will often fake the "real deal" and sell it for a discounted price.. Be sure you find a reputable/trusted seller!


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onedaat

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Posted: 31 Jul 2013, 11:59
Amazon has one of the most generous return policies of any company I've ever dealt with. I purchase several thousand dollars worth of products from them every year due in part to some early experiences with their customer service. Anytime I've ever had a problem they have offered to pay for return shipping or just refunded my money and let me keep the product. For example, I bought a case of sardines in olive oil and they sent sardines in soy bean oil. I complained, right away they said keep the case and they would send me the correct product with free overnight delivery. It arrived the next day and they were still the soy bean ones. Turns out the olive oil ones were out of stock and mislabeled in their system. They said keep second order and refunded my money without me having to ask. They also sent me a notice when the olive oil sardines were in stock. Another time I bought some perfume and didn't like it. They said keep it and refunded my money. Their customer service is AMAZING. I have never heard of someone ending up with a fake product from Amazon. If anything that sort of stuff is more common on ebay.



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"It is in vain to speak of cures, or think of remedies, until such time as we have considered the causes . . . cures must be imperfect, lame, and to no purpose, wherein the causes have not first been searched.”

- Robert Burton, The Anatomy of Melancholy

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If you don't read the newspaper, you are uninformed. If you do read the newspaper, you are misinformed. - Mark Twain

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umdterpsgirl

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Posted: 31 Jul 2013, 12:09
So what did you do with two cases of sardines in soy bean oil?!? Are you still eating them? LOL Laughing

Agree on Amazon's customer service. My boyfriend ordered a blu-ray as a present for his Dad. The day it was scheduled to arrive according to the package tracking, it never showed up. He wasn't sure if it got lost in the mail or was stolen from the stoop, but was disappointed because he needed it for the birthday 1.5 days later. He contacted amazon and they sent him another copy overnight, no questions asked. Both copies arrived the next day Rolling Eyes whoops.
onedaat

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Posted: 31 Jul 2013, 12:15
Rita41 wrote:
bah ...just looked on amazon.CA... no luck. Bet free shipping from .com won't apply to me.



They might carry it if you request it Rita, but I don't know. I found some on Lucky Vitamin which ships to Canada. NOW 32 oz MCT oil for $15.99 They also offer free shipping with qualifying $49 purchase.
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"It is in vain to speak of cures, or think of remedies, until such time as we have considered the causes . . . cures must be imperfect, lame, and to no purpose, wherein the causes have not first been searched.”

- Robert Burton, The Anatomy of Melancholy

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If you don't read the newspaper, you are uninformed. If you do read the newspaper, you are misinformed. - Mark Twain

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erika2633

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Posted: 31 Jul 2013, 12:18
onedaat wrote:
I have never heard of someone ending up with a fake product from Amazon. If anything that sort of stuff is more common on ebay.


Amazon Marketplace Named Largest Counterfeit Outlet

Customers Get Burned By Counterfeit Goods From Amazon’s Marketplace

It's not the stuff coming directly from Amazon that's the problem, it's when the third party sellers get involved and people don't realize who they're buying from. Bottom line is that it's about consumer awareness. I've bought plenty of things from Amazon, and even from third party sellers on Amazon, but I'm just saying there are some not-so-nice people out there that will try to scam people out of their money.


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onedaat

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Posted: 31 Jul 2013, 12:21
umdterpsgirl wrote:
So what did you do with two cases of sardines in soy bean oil?!? Are you still eating them? LOL Laughing

Agree on Amazon's customer service. My boyfriend ordered a blu-ray as a present for his Dad. The day it was scheduled to arrive according to the package tracking, it never showed up. He wasn't sure if it got lost in the mail or was stolen from the stoop, but was disappointed because he needed it for the birthday 1.5 days later. He contacted amazon and they sent him another copy overnight, no questions asked. Both copies arrived the next day Rolling Eyes whoops.



We gave about 30 to the food bank at our church, 30 to my mom, and ate the rest within the year. They're pretty good but I like the ones in olive oil more because they get better with age. In France people will age the sardines in olive oil for up to 10 years, they mellow out and become more flavored with the oil.


Washington Post Aged Sardines

Harold McGee Aging other canned goods
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"It is in vain to speak of cures, or think of remedies, until such time as we have considered the causes . . . cures must be imperfect, lame, and to no purpose, wherein the causes have not first been searched.”

- Robert Burton, The Anatomy of Melancholy

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If you don't read the newspaper, you are uninformed. If you do read the newspaper, you are misinformed. - Mark Twain

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erika2633

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Posted: 31 Jul 2013, 12:33
That is a LOT of sardines!!! Holy smokes... Do you put them in recipes/salads/pizzas/etc or do you just eat them plain? I don't think I've ever actually eaten a sardine because they weird me out... but when I was in France last weekend I ordered Salmon Tartare and actually ate a decent amount of it until I just couldn't get over the texture anymore! Maybe sardines will be my next adventure.. *shiver*... Maybe.... Smile


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