1200 Calories and can't lose weight?

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Nightshade03

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Posted: 01 Dec 2012, 06:50
Hello!
I've been a member for over a year now, and weight loss wasn't an issue for a good long time. But I started to notice the pounds creeping back on very slowly, and I continued to cut calories further and further, and now I'm down to 1200, and still gaining weight. I want to be back to 120 lbs - I felt great and looked great, but I weighed in this morning at 131.8.
I took a look at my history, and discovered something interesting. I didn't realize that when I was losing weight I was inadvertently eating a really high fat diet with limited carbohydrates - in other words, an accidental Atkins sort of thing. No where near as drastic, but in order to cut calories from my meals I would forgo a bun rather than skip the cheese. Not because I was trying to go low-carb - it seems like a temporary solution to me - but because cutting buns or eating only half a sandwich was the easiest way to trim calories.
The weight seemed to creep back on when I started eating more carbohydrates - without cutting the crazy amount of fat. I cut the fat from my diet, and am trying to eat the right way. The weight is still creeping back on. I even tried low-carb again a few months ago, and that made things worse, but I was still watching fat too, which I now know if very counter-productive, and frankly miserable.
So here's what I'm wondering - I don't want to go low-carb as it's no way to live, but what am I doing wrong? I know everyone is a little different in how their bodies work, but I want to lose those 12 pounds AND be healthy. And that does not mean loads of fat with no grains or fiber. Any thoughts? The 50% carb/20% fat/30% protein was two weeks of no progress, and 1200 calories made 50% of carbs was SO much food, so that seems way off too, considering how much that would be on a typical 2,000 cal diet.
Oh, and just so I answer this right off the bat, my carbohydrates are all whole grains - like, I don't even settle for part-wheat stuff, just 100%. And I make my own 100% whole wheat baked products at home as a hobby, so I know exactly what goes into them. (low-fat whole wheat pancakes, muffins, scones, biscuits, etc. and I eat them -of course- in moderation!)
DianneGardne...

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Posted: 01 Dec 2012, 07:09
http://fatsecret.com/Diary.aspx?pa=fj&dt=15629&id=3108323

here is what I do...and I have struggled like you to stay under 130..had been really thin for a long time and then weight began to creep on after I got married..damned men...its their fault...I am 65.. healthy and was really tired of restricting food and white knuckling the food....been doing the food plan it for over a year now..cannot keep weight on..link to food plan I follow..its Bill Clinton's diet..there is a pix of me too..I am fit..thin and this diet is effortless..and you can eat all the good carbs...just no fat..hard part is wrapping your mind around it..Here are the rules of Dr. Esselstyn's program in their simplest form:

• You may not eat anything with a mother or a face (no meat, poultry, or fish).

• You cannot eat dairy products.

• You must not consume oil of any kind—not a drop. (Yes, you devotees of the Mediterranean Diet, that includes olive oil, as I’ll explain in Chapter 10.)

• Generally, you cannot eat nuts or avocados.

You can eat a wonderful variety of delicious, nutrient-dense foods:

• All vegetables except avocado. Leafy green vegetables, root vegetables, veggies that are red, green, purple, orange, and yellowand everything in between

• All legumes—beans, peas, and lentils of all varieties.

• All whole grains and products, such as bread and pasta, that are made from them—as long as they do not contain added fats.

• All fruits. link to website below..I found this diet when my mom was diagnosed with unstable angina..she is 90..they told me she would die last year..she is doing great..again..the problem with this diet is you can get too thin..gotta keep your quantity up..which is great for me cause I love quantity..

http://www.heartattackproof.com/excerpt.htm

Now what may be hard for you..I always wanted to be vegan..kept eating fish, conquered that this year with the diet..some people refuse to give up eating animals..people keep saying.."oh you must have healthy oils."...Dr. E says there are no healthy oils if you have any health issues..like BP, cardiac stuff, etc..and that what kills us all in the end is heart disease..this diet he says makes you heart attack proof..everyone in my family died from heart disease..

Ok kiddo..for what its worth..people either say.."wow..I will try it" (one of best friends has lost 25 lbs on this) or they say..."wow..total bulls##t..are you bat s##t crazy?"..so my suggestion is if you are really desperate..try it..

Best,

Food addiction is a bitch..been struggling since I was 4..this has been my answer..

Dianne



TLH0330

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Posted: 01 Dec 2012, 07:24
Well, check in with your doc and make sure all is well general health-wise.

How old are you? How active are you? Are you male or female? etc

I do low carb but this is because I have diabetes, and it has worked like a charm for me in taking weight off.
eKatherine

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Posted: 01 Dec 2012, 07:30
Low carb doesn't have to be hard. It seems that to be low enough for you to lose, you won't have to go anywhere near the strict induction phase of Atkins.

By the way, have you read about the Atkins diet? I suggest going to their website and becoming aware of the different phases, and what and how much of different foods are permitted.

You did low carb yourself without even thinking about it before, and it worked. But to have energy and balance, to eat low carb you will have to increase the fat calories you consume to replace the carbs you are cutting out.

Keep in mind that while whole grains have a bit more fiber and vitamins, the body treats whole grains the same as refined. There is insignificant GI difference between white and whole wheat flour, between white and brown rice. Both are digested quickly as sugar. Bread has a higher glycemic index than white sugar!

A vegan diet is a high carb diet. It will be a drastic change for you. Keep that in mind.

Director of worlds longest running heart study says those that eat more cholesterol and fat - weigh the least and are more physically active
Diets high in red meat can keep you slim
Egg breakfast can keep you slim
Nightshade03

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Posted: 01 Dec 2012, 07:34
hmmm.. well, I am not willing to completely eliminate a food group of any sort. I want to be healthy and eat reasonable portions of a wide variety of healthy foods, and vegan diets cut out delicious healthy meats and seafoods, not to mention nutritious dairy products. My grandfather was vegan for years and it deteriorated his health significantly, and afer a stroke (probably unrelated to his eating) he realized that life is too short to be vegan, and then he remembered how much he loved cheese!! He even considered eating chicken and seafood again for their health benefits. He was too much of a bleeding-heart animal lover, so he just kept to standard vegetarian eating, but he regretted the years of vegan eating. What I want to find is a diet that works for me to get to my goal of 120 lbs and KEEP it there without eliminating a healthy food group, be it grains, meat, small garnishes of healthy fats, or diary.
Nightshade03

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Posted: 01 Dec 2012, 07:36
...and I'm pretty aware of Atkins now, and I'm hesitant about the amount of fat in it.
Nightshade03

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Posted: 01 Dec 2012, 07:37
Oh, and I'm a 24 year old female, and I do 3 kickboxing classes per week, each an hour long class.
czalma

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Posted: 01 Dec 2012, 08:56
it sounds like you may not be consuming enough calories for your level of activity. I know it sounds crazy but if don´t eat enough your body goes into starvation mode and holds on to food instead of burning it for fuel, thus you gain weight. My suggestion would be to track how many calories you are burning in your work out sessions and enter them here on your daily food tracker. Fatsecrest will do the calculations for you and tell you how many additional calories you should consume in accordance with calories burned on the days you work out. The more you work out, the more fuel your body needs which means you need to eat more healthy quality foods. Hope that helps and good luck!
Nightshade03

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Posted: 01 Dec 2012, 09:35
I've heard the whole "starvation mode" thing before, but I certainly wasn't eating that little when the gains first started. And all my food is wicked healthy. I suppose I also forgot to mention that I usually increase my calories to 1300-1400 on days I work out.
I may just have to adjust and do some trial-and-error for a while. I may try 40% carb and 30% fat and 30% protein and see if that makes any difference.
Ingria

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Posted: 01 Dec 2012, 12:06
At your weight (I am also assuming that you are more likely than not to be female, older than in your twenties (oh, just checked, you are still in your twenties) and with a desk job) you have practically no margin for error. Your basic metabolic rate - the amount of calories to sustain weight will be around 1500, that is for average person. It might be even lower for you if you live in moderate climate, have slow thyroid, lost significant amount of weight before, etc. So you have no margin for error and can only create a very small deficit. If you accidentally underreport your food or overestimate your needs you will start gaining weight. I would not recommend going on a drastic diet that excludes certain food items, that will not help in the long run, you still need to reduce calories, not exclude food. Low carb, high protein, high fat diets make you feel less hungry on low calories. You felt it yourself when you went low carb intuitively. Also keep in mind that when you add carbs back you add water weight that you lost on low carb diet (protein is natural diuretic and glycogen binds water, so a lot of initial weight loss on Atkins is water weight). You can tip the balance by adding more exercise, but choose something that you can do all the time, not for a few weeks while you are loosing. My advice, embrace the fact that for you weight loss will be very slow, and that you have to be very accurate with your food for the rest of your life.
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The first thing you lose on a diet is your sense of humor. ~ Author Unknown
It doesn’t matter what diet you follow… What matters is what makes you follow your diet. ~ Tom Venuto
Nightshade03

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Posted: 01 Dec 2012, 12:50
I'm in my mid twenties - stay at home mom on my feet all day - gym three times a week for the past year and a half, climate: good ol' backwoods New England with humid summers, and the winters are some ol wicked. And as I stated before I am very uninterested in excluding food groups. The problem is that I get plenty of exercise all the time and eat exactly how one is supposed to and my weight is going up. And I already know that weight loss is best when slow. I'm not arguing that. But it's nothing like 'slow weight loss' that's bothering me. Bring it on in fact. It would be a welcome change to the weight gain that I am experiencing now.
Ingria

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Posted: 01 Dec 2012, 13:23
I never did it myself, but may be it makes sense for you to check your metabolic rate with a professional (how much you burn, not the number you get from online calculator) or invest in a body bugg or similar monitor. I think that the idea that we all have same metabolic rate is overrated. Those who have are less likely to end on FS losing weight. You might have some issues with thyroid as well, many women do, especially after they have children. Also, do you have enough sleep, enough rest? Our weight and well being is influenced by levels of different hormones in our bodies, not just by the amount of food we eat. I am very sympathetic with your struggle, I am in the same boat myself - slow gain over the years, and real effort needed every time to lose weight. I do not have an answer, but for me getting more rest, being more accurate with my food intake, and being persistent over long (really loooong) periods of time helps. Try to concentrate on not gaining vs losing. It takes away some pressure and stress, and stress is really bad for weight loss, it makes you fat more than anything (but extra food itself).
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The first thing you lose on a diet is your sense of humor. ~ Author Unknown
It doesn’t matter what diet you follow… What matters is what makes you follow your diet. ~ Tom Venuto
Diablo360x

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Posted: 01 Dec 2012, 14:44
The only thing I can think of is adding a weight lifting routine so that even if you do gain weight or maintain, your body will lose fat while gaining muscle. They call it body recomposition. You can look better at 130 than at 120 if you add some muscle. This will take a while but will be worth it.
Love your food or risk failure. No quick fixes, this is a lifestyle change. No extremes are needed just consistency.
Nightshade03

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Posted: 01 Dec 2012, 16:02
Well, I pretty much have heard all of this online - people saying low-carb is best, people saying exercise more (than the reasonable amount I already do!), people saying to eat low-fat, people saying wheat itself is the devil, etc. I suppose everyone is a wee bit different. The low-carbish thing I was inadvertently doing before worked, but I am afraid of that amount of fat being a permanent part of my diet, so I'm going to have to play a balancing game until I get it right I guess.
Back then it was between 80-100 grams of carb, and my fat grams were around 100 or more, the percentages being something like 50% fat and 25% both protein and carb. It makes me nervous to think I may have to maintain my weight on that much fat! So I'm hoping to stick to a 40% carb/30% both fat and protein respectively, and see where that gets me. It seems reasonable on all three anyway! If not I suppose I'll have to re-re-evaluate!!
eKatherine

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Posted: 01 Dec 2012, 17:46
I think it's a good idea to set yourself at least a week or two to find out the effects of what you did before you change again.
Nightshade03

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Posted: 01 Dec 2012, 18:04
Yeah, that's the plan. Two weeks of 50% carbs 30% protein and 20% fat made me gain weight and feel sluggish. And I'm wondering how someone can eat 50% worth of carbs in a 2000 calorie diet! I feel so full-to-bursting on 1200!! Like, I have spent the past two weeks forcing down food so that I can manage as much as 1200 calories on that much bulky grainy stuff! So we'll see how two weeks on these new percentages go.
devid2011

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Posted: 02 Dec 2012, 00:03
I've been there like you. I know what you mean when you say you can't lose weight. I believe that everyone should find their best way to lose weight.
It is not a simple subject. One thing is for sure, you must be consistent about it.
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Good luck to you all!!
Diablo360x

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Posted: 02 Dec 2012, 00:51
Nightshade03 wrote:
Well, I pretty much have heard all of this online - people saying low-carb is best, people saying exercise more (than the reasonable amount I already do!), people saying to eat low-fat, people saying wheat itself is the devil, etc. I suppose everyone is a wee bit different. The low-carbish thing I was inadvertently doing before worked, but I am afraid of that amount of fat being a permanent part of my diet, so I'm going to have to play a balancing game until I get it right I guess.
Back then it was between 80-100 grams of carb, and my fat grams were around 100 or more, the percentages being something like 50% fat and 25% both protein and carb. It makes me nervous to think I may have to maintain my weight on that much fat! So I'm hoping to stick to a 40% carb/30% both fat and protein respectively, and see where that gets me. It seems reasonable on all three anyway! If not I suppose I'll have to re-re-evaluate!!


None of that matters. Your particular preference is what matters. Calories in vs. calories out are what determine weight. Flexible or strict dieting makes no difference. Consistency is key.
Love your food or risk failure. No quick fixes, this is a lifestyle change. No extremes are needed just consistency.
Nightshade03

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Posted: 02 Dec 2012, 05:42
Well, a year on consistency of a diet under first 1700 cals, then 1500 cals, then 1300 cals, then finally to 1200, no matter what my calories in calories out ratio was, I gained weight. When my diet was predominantly fat and lower carbohydrate, as long as I kept under 2000 cals it was no fail. I'm not saying I want to go back to that; it;s unhealthy. But evidence is showing me that what my calories are made of seems to make a difference.
NCNOLE

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Posted: 02 Dec 2012, 07:00
I would definitely consider getting your basal metabolic rate checked - you can probably find a place (gym) that will charge you $50 to do it. That would give you an idea of how many calories you burn at rest. Another option, look into a bodymedia fit or similar device - they can be pricey, but in my opinion worth the sacrifice. It will help you determine how many calories you are burning on a daily basis - includes rest and exercise. I've had mine for about 1 1/2 years and it keeps me motivated most of the time and has really showed me that I burn less calories now that I have lost weight. I have found that since I am now under 130 lbs. it is harder to lose the last 20 lbs. and I am burning less - so now I eat a little less. I'm 5'0, 122 lbs. and eat less than 1400 calories/day - started at 207 lbs and eating around 1600. I workout daily - zumba and then weights 4x week. The weights are really what helped me feel better - it is amazing what changes occur even after just a few months of lifting weights. You do have to change up your routine to keep your body improving. So, even if the number on the scale doesn't move you will look better. I weigh what I did in high school, but look totally different (aside from the age).

I know you don't want to eliminate any foods, but would consider limiting dairy - saturated fat, inflammatory effects... I eliminated them and have eliminated monthly cramps in the process. The other thing would be watching your sodium - however, I think even with a higher sodium intake you would lose over time, but would still have some fluctuations - seeing as how you are staying consistent with your weight, then that probably would not make a difference.

Make sure you are measuring your foods to make sure you aren't consuming more than you think - it is easy to do.
Good luck.



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