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femmeslim

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Posted: 12 Nov 2012, 13:55
I am back on the Insulin Resistance Diet today and am so happy to be back on something that is sane and allows me to pretty much eat anything, as long as I watch the number of carbs vs protein. I feel so much better.
Diablo360x

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Posted: 12 Nov 2012, 19:28
You can eat anything, no need to mix macronutrients at all meals.


http://www.reddit.com/r/Fitness/comments/j853z/insulin_an_undeserved_bad_reputation_plus_notes/
Love your food or risk failure. No quick fixes, this is a lifestyle change. No extremes are needed just consistency.
Preggo38

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Posted: 13 Nov 2012, 06:11
I personally have to eat protein with carb. I had test after test done and it appears as though if I eat only carb at a meal or snack, my body over produces insulin. I have a crash an hour or two later where I feel shaky and have to eat something with sugar to stop shaking. Now that I eat protein at every meal and snack, I have no highs and lows, I have no crashes and I'm not ravenous. If I eat more carb than protein I'm starving all the time. So I don't go below 40% of my calories from protein but I don't exclude any foods anymore.

That could just be me though.
femmeslim

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Posted: 13 Nov 2012, 08:15
Preggo38 sounds like you are eating similar to the Insulin Resistance Diet, which is what I am doing. For years I suffered from hypoglycemia, as you described. I knew from trial and error that I had to eat anything sweet with some protein or I would have an "episode" later. After I got the Insulin Resistant Diet book I knew why that happened, and it tells you exactly how much protein to eat with how much carb. The ratio is 7 grams of protein for 15 grams of carbs. Or 14 grams of protein for 30 grams of carbs. And you do not eat more than 30 grams of carbs in any 2 hour period. It sounds more complicated than it is to do. You also don't count vegetables at all, except for corn and potatoes. And you don't count dairy products either. It is easy, and this morning I had 2 small eggs, 1 piece of turkey bacon, and small sweet potato muffin (homemade) with some butter, and 4 oz. of ruby red grapefruit juice. The eggs and turkey bacon came out to about 14 grams of protein (the eggs were small), and that balanced with the small muffin (about 15 grams) and probably the juice, although I didn't look that up.
Preggo38

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Posted: 13 Nov 2012, 09:12
That is exactly how I felt..."episode" is right! Dukan is also a lean protein based diet. I don't necessarily count protein but I'm going to look at my food diary and see how close I am to the ratio. Greek yogurt, whey powder (for flavour) and chia seeds are my usual breakfast. With all the protein (30-40g) I finally get to enjoy a fruit ...right now in apple season I have a nice big apple with it and I'm set until almost lunch time. I have to limit myself to one fruit per day though. I'm going to check out the book though.....


femmeslim

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Posted: 15 Nov 2012, 10:15
Diablo360x wrote:
You can eat anything, no need to mix macronutrients at all meals.


http://www.reddit.com/r/Fitness/comments/j853z/insulin_an_undeserved_bad_reputation_plus_notes/


I looked at that link. And I stopped reading when it said that Insulin spikes are actually good for you. Obviously who ever wrote that has never had a hypoglycemic episode. Definitely NOT SOMETHING you want to experience, believe me. And it is not only obese people who are insulin resistant. I am not obese and I am insulin resistant. So, yes, some of us do have to pay attention to the macronutrients at all meals.
Ingria

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Posted: 15 Nov 2012, 12:11
Macronutrients might not matter for a pefectly healthy average person. Most people are not perfectly healthy and not average. So we have to watch what we eat depending on what our problem is. And no, hypoglycemia, diabetes, or insulin resistance are not always result of sedentary life style and overeating. I first started having my hypo episodes as an athletic underweight teenager. I think it is more likely that it contributed to my weight gain over the years than vice versa, as I sometimes eat when I am still not hungry, if I know that I will not have access to food later on for some time. I do have to watch my carbs and limit sugar and simple carbs as much as possible or I will have a crush in a few hours. It has nothing to do with weight loss, I have to do it to feel well. I think there is some confusion, as to what our goals should be. Yes, this is a calorie counting site, and most of us are here for reasons that are related to weight and nutrition, but the majority of us also want to find a strategy that will keep us happy and healthy over a long period of time.
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The first thing you lose on a diet is your sense of humor. ~ Author Unknown
It doesn’t matter what diet you follow… What matters is what makes you follow your diet. ~ Tom Venuto
femmeslim

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Posted: 15 Nov 2012, 12:52
Yes Ingria.. I understand what you are saying about eating defensively.. I used to do that before I found out about my condition and what causes it, and more importantly HOW TO PREVENT IT from happening. Insulin resistance is HEREDITARY also, and I also had it when I was a teenager weighing 100 pounds. All of my sisters and also my daughter has it. So, I know it is not due to my overeating.. my overeating is due to it.
I worry whenver I see someone eating something really sugary by itself.. or OMG I see someone eating a candy bar and drinking a soda with it! That would probably KILL me. I can eat a candy bar (or part of one) but I need to drink a glass of milk with it or have some other protein with it.
Preggo38

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Posted: 15 Nov 2012, 15:59
You're right. I can't even consider something sweet unless it was just after a meal that had protein. ...otherwise if I have a dessert on an empty stomach I keep eating as a new crash comes. So when I overeat it is due to it...not the other way around...well put femmeslim. I didn't know it was hereditary though. My doctor told me with my family history of type 2 diabetes that this hypoglycemia could just be warning for me that I am pre-diabetic. I have been on the straight and narrow ever since with no problems. If I have something sweet it is dessert, not a snack. I really have to check out this book.
Diablo360x

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Posted: 15 Nov 2012, 18:08
femmeslim wrote:
Diablo360x wrote:
You can eat anything, no need to mix macronutrients at all meals.


http://www.reddit.com/r/Fitness/comments/j853z/insulin_an_undeserved_bad_reputation_plus_notes/


I looked at that link. And I stopped reading when it said that Insulin spikes are actually good for you. Obviously who ever wrote that has never had a hypoglycemic episode. Definitely NOT SOMETHING you want to experience, believe me. And it is not only obese people who are insulin resistant. I am not obese and I am insulin resistant. So, yes, some of us do have to pay attention to the macronutrients at all meals.


Of course, diabetics should follow what their doctors order, otherwise that is not an issue. Remain close minded, it will get you FAR. You are above science. Awesome. Really, it all comes down to preference. We all do what seems to do us good but giving advice on the subject without scientific evidence is not good.
Love your food or risk failure. No quick fixes, this is a lifestyle change. No extremes are needed just consistency.
fatoldlady

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Posted: 15 Nov 2012, 18:51
Eating a diet that is almost entirely made up of junk food I'm sure has peer reveiwed scientific studies and I'm sure that there are studies that say the opposite. I wonder who is really closed minded here.
Diablo360x

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Posted: 15 Nov 2012, 19:16
I am not saying that everyone should eat what I eat, but it proves that a treat a day will not affect you at all if I can eat many per day and continue to lose. I have been monitoring intake for 12 years, these foods are having zero effect on weight loss. It comes down to calories.

Strive to get your micronutients/fiber and don't worry about the rest.
Love your food or risk failure. No quick fixes, this is a lifestyle change. No extremes are needed just consistency.
Diablo360x

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Posted: 15 Nov 2012, 19:23
If you prefer to be scared to eat after 6pm, avoiding carbs, making sure to eat every 3 hours, etc., be my guest. I am trying to make life easier by trying to spread the word that all of these beliefs are based on myths. Maybe I should sit back and let everyone be frustrated.
Love your food or risk failure. No quick fixes, this is a lifestyle change. No extremes are needed just consistency.
Hoser

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Posted: 15 Nov 2012, 19:28
Diablo, I agree with you for the general case. However, I think the mistake that you're making is assuming that because your body does something then everyone else's should behave the same way. Biology really isn't like that.
Diablo360x

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Posted: 15 Nov 2012, 20:15
Hoser wrote:
Diablo, I agree with you for the general case. However, I think the mistake that you're making is assuming that because your body does something then everyone else's should behave the same way. Biology really isn't like that.


http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/you-are-not-different.html

I have friend and a wife who are both very overweight. They are having the same results as me. Unless you have an allergy or a disease that makes food break down totally differently than 99% of humans, yes, you will also have the same results. Calories, all about the calories as far as bodyweight is concerned.
Love your food or risk failure. No quick fixes, this is a lifestyle change. No extremes are needed just consistency.
Ingria

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Posted: 15 Nov 2012, 20:28
Diablo, I am not sure who is close minded. I checked the links that you posted and it is interesting reading, but nothing eye opening. First, there is no such thing as absolute truth in science, and when it comes to nutrition, I can guarantee you that it is possible to find something on the internet that proofs any point of veiw. Some of the popular believes might be based on myths but some of the popular believes spread on the body building blogs and by multiple nutrition gurus who compete for clients are not much better. I am not sure you are trying to make anybody's life easier, if you tell us that people who are in your opinion ill should just go to the doctors and folow their advise, and the rest can just do what you feel is right. I cannot speak for everybody but I do not feel frustrated, I am enjoying life, food, some debate, and trying to figure out how to make my life even more enjoyable. Candy and pasta are not high on my list, though I have my own vices and I am trying to find justification to enjoy food I probably should not be eating. I am very happy that what you do works for you, but I am sure it would not work for me. Not because I am stupid, supersticious or just cannot do it right, but because I have a different body, different life and different mind, and I am on this site for a different reason. There are people on this site who have very different level of awareness about nutrition and exercise, and just telling them that whatever they do does not matter because you think so and read about it on the blog is not right either. On the other hand if you have so much personal experience, may be it could help if you open up a little bit and share more about your exercise routines, life style, eating habits and personal story.
We are here to learn from each other, and I am sure we can learn a lot from your success. But that should be your success story (or even the story of your mistakes and recoveries). Just telling people that all that matters is calories does not work. It matters for what - for weight loss, or for optimal health, or for enjoying life, or for keeping track of foods that trigger certain medical conditions that people might have, or for taking care of mentall instabilities that some people might have. We are all not perfect, and we all have different issues we are trying to take care of. Anyway, it is good to read your posts, life is boring when everybody
just agrees. And keep posting the links, just give us a chance to form our opinions too.
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The first thing you lose on a diet is your sense of humor. ~ Author Unknown
It doesn’t matter what diet you follow… What matters is what makes you follow your diet. ~ Tom Venuto
Diablo360x

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Posted: 15 Nov 2012, 20:30
Unless you've participated in a controlled clinical study where you did everything exactly like another group of people and got totally different results, you cannot, with a straight face say that what works physiologically on others, does not work on you.

Yes, different things can determine how well one can stick to a diet, but those things come down to preference. If you don't like to eat before bed, don't, if you just need to eat breakfast, do it, if certain foods make you binge, avoid them. I just have a problem with others saying these things provide a physiological "edge" when there is no scientific backing.

Making a diet adhere to your personal preferences while reaching your individual calorie goal instead of adhering to a needlessly strict diet, is what will make this a life style change. People want quick fixes. There are none.

Love your food or risk failure. No quick fixes, this is a lifestyle change. No extremes are needed just consistency.
Diablo360x

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Posted: 15 Nov 2012, 20:41
Ingria wrote:
Diablo, I am not sure who is close minded. I checked the links that you posted and it is interesting reading, but nothing eye opening. First, there is no such thing as absolute truth in science, and when it comes to nutrition, I can guarantee you that it is possible to find something on the internet that proofs any point of veiw. Some of the popular believes might be based on myths but some of the popular believes spread on the body building blogs and by multiple nutrition gurus who compete for clients are not much better. I am not sure you are trying to make anybody's life easier, if you tell us that people who are in your opinion ill should just go to the doctors and folow their advise, and the rest can just do what you feel is right. I cannot speak for everybody but I do not feel frustrated, I am enjoying life, food, some debate, and trying to figure out how to make my life even more enjoyable. Candy and pasta are not high on my list, though I have my own vices and I am trying to find justification to enjoy food I probably should not be eating. I am very happy that what you do works for you, but I am sure it would not work for me. Not because I am stupid, supersticious or just cannot do it right, but because I have a different body, different life and different mind, and I am on this site for a different reason. There are people on this site who have very different level of awareness about nutrition and exercise, and just telling them that whatever they do does not matter because you think so and read about it on the blog is not right either. On the other hand if you have so much personal experience, may be it could help if you open up a little bit and share more about your exercise routines, life style, eating habits and personal story.
We are here to learn from each other, and I am sure we can learn a lot from your success. But that should be your success story (or even the story of your mistakes and recoveries). Just telling people that all that matters is calories does not work. It matters for what - for weight loss, or for optimal health, or for enjoying life, or for keeping track of foods that trigger certain medical conditions that people might have, or for taking care of mentall instabilities that some people might have. We are all not perfect, and we all have different issues we are trying to take care of. Anyway, it is good to read your posts, life is boring when everybody
just agrees. And keep posting the links, just give us a chance to form our opinions too.


Follow dogma or science? I've done both. I was miserable trying to adapt to dozens of diets, now I know none of them were "magical", they simply made me adhere to a calorie deficit. That is what all diets have in common, the laws of thermodynamics ensure that.

You only need .6-.7 grams of protein per lean pound in your body to retain lean mass and enough fat to provide healthy brain function, the rest can be filled with foods of preference. I already said, do what makes you happy, eat what you want.

Would you prefer that people keep spouting nonsense like this? "Your stomach is empty after 5 hours and the liver starts to self-feed. Never let 5 hours pass w/o having a little something to eat. Have a low carb something before going to bed and eat within one hour of waking up."

How is eating what you want close minded? It's the most open minded you can get regarding diets.
Love your food or risk failure. No quick fixes, this is a lifestyle change. No extremes are needed just consistency.
Ingria

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Posted: 15 Nov 2012, 20:57
I do not think that any of us participated in such a study, but I saw a lot of research results from controlled clinical studies where researchers were able to succesfully prove totally opposite theories. So I guess I can with a straight face say that I am more interested in feeling well than in proving somebody's theory, including the theory that we are all exactly the same physiologically. No, I do not believe that any particular food item or macronutrient or fad supplement can give you an advantage in weight loss, but I do believe that eating well balanced diet fine tuned to personal needs, personal physiology, individual life style and even cultural food preferances can make one's life much more enjoyable, and allow us not to see the doctor's all too often for advise on nutrition and medication. OK, burned too many calories typing, need to go and exercise some other muscle groups. Smile
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The first thing you lose on a diet is your sense of humor. ~ Author Unknown
It doesn’t matter what diet you follow… What matters is what makes you follow your diet. ~ Tom Venuto
Diablo360x

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Posted: 15 Nov 2012, 21:11
Again, you are acting as if I am telling everyone to eat nothing but big macs. I already stated that you can eat what you prefer, which is what you just said you do. Good job.

Since we are on the topic, here is a rebuttal to the dumb documentary, Super Size me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=axxpb7TJ7cQ
Love your food or risk failure. No quick fixes, this is a lifestyle change. No extremes are needed just consistency.



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