Seeking OTC equivalent to Phendimetrazine / Phentermine

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PianoNoir

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Posted: 15 May 2012, 08:18
I did the Medi Weight Loss Diet in 2008 - 2009 and lost a bunch of weight. It was FAAAANTASTIC! I don't care what anyone says, medical weight loss was the best thing I have ever done and the only thing I have ever done that actually worked for more than a week. Needless to say, I lost my job and could no longer afford the crazy amount of money the clinic charges for the program. I have gained back MORE than what I initially lost. To make matters worse, the job I have now pays less than half of what I was making then, so getting back on the diet is out of the question. After searching many healthfood stores and drug stores to for an OTC substitute for the Phendimetrizine that MediClininc was perscribing, I have not found anything that comes even close. Has ANYONE OUT THERE found a good subsitute? I miss being a size 4...
erika2633

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Posted: 15 May 2012, 12:18
YES, I've found an excellent substitute - and it's free!!!

It's called 'making smart food choices and exercising'.


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posterchild6...

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Posted: 15 May 2012, 12:34
+1!

Reminds me of my favorite 30 Rock quote "What are your feelings on tooth loss?".

I wish there was a pill that works, but amphetamines aint for me! Like many wise people told me "There is no softer easier way."

/Cheers, JP
holfraz

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Posted: 15 May 2012, 16:18
I dont know what that pharmacudical stuff is that you are talking about, but the only weight loss supplement that I have ever taken that did anything to suppress my appetite was Dexatrim Max 7.
sgreene0206

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Posted: 15 May 2012, 16:48
Phentermine and Phendimetrazine are not amphetamines however, they are chemically similar and as a result cause similar side effects. They are usually only prescribed to individuals who are considered morbidly obese and meant for short term use when the benefits out weigh the risk.

There is an ingredient in some supplements, DMAA,I believe it is found in OxyElite Pro, that supposedly is similar but not as strong. However, it has been linked to the death of a few Army soldiers, is banned from use by any military personnel and is under investigation by the Department of Defense. In short, its not a very safe substance IMO.

I will say I have taken phentermine before and it is NOT worth it. That stuff made me crazy. Just like you the little bit of weight I lost taking it, I gained back and then some. IMO stuff like this (including DMAA) are not worth it. There really is not a quick fix. I have to agree with Erika2633, making smart food choices and exercise is the only way. It took me a long time to realize this but once I did it made loosing weight and keeping it off so much easier.
PianoNoir

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Posted: 16 May 2012, 07:29
I apologize if some people are offended by my choice to use diet pills IN CONJUNCTION with excercise and eating correctly to help me lose weight. And I certainly did not post this question expecting to draw the ire of those who do not agree with that choice. I guess I was under the impression that this forum was a community of support and understanding vs. judgement and criticsm. That being said, I would appreciate comments from those who are truly trying to help me answer my question. If you don't agree or support my choice of weight loss method, please keep it to yourself. Thank you.
fatoldlady

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Posted: 16 May 2012, 08:22
I think it is more concern than being offended. Those pills have questionable side effects and the fact that you gained all the weight back when you stopped taking them means you would have to take them the rest of your life.
posterchild6...

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Posted: 16 May 2012, 10:51
Sorry you feel that way PianoNoir. Please dont let us run you off, just find different friends Razz.

I have come and gone from this site a few times myself. This time I have been around about 9 months now, maybe more.

On this site we see lots of people come and go, and ask for all kinds of advice so maybe we take it for granted. Sometimes people come on wanting to lose huge amounts of weight in very short times, sometimes they cant give-up cupcakes, and sometimes well, they ask for things that aren't good for us.

While it may seem right to agree with everyone and blow smoke up each others butts like on facebook (that happens too much here too). Sometimes what you need to hear is not what you want to hear.

Good point fatoldlady!

/Cheers, JP

Rubie-sue

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Posted: 16 May 2012, 11:24
As stated by the other posts we are not offened, just scared that you feel it is the only way. Phen/Phen as they were called at the time were taken off the market for a reason: they are not good for humans. A dear friend of mine was on them, and when he was not allowed to get them any more he became so depressed that he was actually suicidal. His body reacted poorly for the lack of drug to w/cramps and stomach issues. So as you can see, these are part of the reasons we (I) am concerned once I read your post. We here to do understand and we do support; but we also show concern and express opinions on all topics good or bad.
DLynneGarner

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Posted: 16 May 2012, 11:31
Well said JP! This is a community discussion site, anyone should have a voice in it, especially when their opinion or information is relevent to the topic.

PN, considering you chose a community forum instead of your personal journal, a forum which may be around for a long time and be read by other readers seeking the same information you desire, it is probably best that both sides of the story be out there. Anyone with experience with these drugs would be remiss in not stating so here, for full disclosure to others.

On the pro side such drugs have helpful but temporary effects, on the con side, the vast majority of people will gain all the weight back starting almost immediately once they discontinue the drugs since they didn't train themselves to change their diets, and the drugs have serious side effects.

I've tried many prescription and (legal) non-prescription appetite suppresants over the years--including amphetamines and their less effective cousins like Phentermine. Phentermine is only effective for about 3 months. After that they do make you crazy, causing serious psychological symptoms in some, including uncontrollable rage--I know this, it happened to me. Not to mention they cause high blood pressure, a rapid pulse, palpitations, tension and headaches. Many clinics require a one month gap after every 3 months in order to prevent some of the worst side effects.

Such drugs should never be taken without supervision--which is why you can't find a product OTC that really compares.

There is a name for the combining of OTC drugs that will produce a similar effect--it's called methamphetamine, and it's very illegal.

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trueyou2

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Posted: 24 Sep 2012, 09:47
I pay 75.00 a month for the vitamin b12 shot and 1 month supply of phentermine but that is in chicago...it's called a better weigh inc. they have a website you could goto. I have heard of a medi weight loss but i feel they use the same pills as what I am taking but cheaper plus, they have hcg and plus this place is legit because they take health insurance anthem.
x56que

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Posted: 06 Oct 2012, 10:51
Piano Noir..What is wrong with people these days? You ask a simple question and you get condescending replies. (I hope I can say something that is a little more encouraging here). I have suffered from depression my entire life and I've taken different antidepressants and I have taken Phentermine, too. Phentermine not only helped with weight loss, but it has been the best medication for me for my depression, too. Unfortunately, you can't take Phentermine long term and you have to be really careful about taking Phentermine with other antidepressants. Phentermine was thought to increase epinephrine and dopamine, but they also found that it increases serotonin, too. If you take this with another medication that increases serotonin you can have a build up serotonin and it can cause life-threatening toxicity in your body. I have been on the search for a medication similar to Phentermine, too. I'm not searching for this medication for weight loss, just the affect it has on me with regard to depression. I have been successful with losing 40 pounds over the last year with a program that I weighed in weekly and exercise. I didn't take any medication. (I'm certainly better at losing weight when I'm accountable to someone). Our community has a free support group that is called "Take Off Pounds Sensibly" -It is similar to Weight Watchers but it is free. This may be helpful to you. The other medication that you might want to ask your doctor about is Welbutrin. I started Welbutrin a few months ago for depression. It has a side effect of weight loss in some people. I found that it does help increase my energy level. (For me it isn't as effective as Phentermine, but it does help some.)Be very careful if you start this medication. It has a side effect of decreasing the seizure threshold in some people. Take it exactly as prescribed. What the CONDESENDING people on this form have to realize is that obesity is an epidemic in our society. They're so many physical, mental, and biological components to this disease. Researchers are just starting to realize it is more than just dieting and exercise. Try and remember that are bodies are programmed to hold on to weight and we are fighting an up hill battle every time we loss weight and try and keep it off. PLEASE BE SUPPORTIVE AND STOP PATRONIZING PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING FOR HELP!! Good luck Piano Noir..If I find anything that is as helpful as Phentermine, I'll let you know. Hang in there Smile
erika2633

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Posted: 06 Oct 2012, 18:35
I'm assuming you're referring to my reply as the 'condescending' one. Why does simple honesty have to be considered condescending? I think that making healthy food choices and exercise IS a much better equivalent to medication/OTC drugs. What's condescending about that?

Exercise has been proven to ease the symptoms of depression and anxiety (just ask the Mayo clinic)

I am absolutely not a patronizing and condescending person, and I will be very supportive to those that are battling obesity/extra weight in the struggle to be a healthier person. However, PN's last statement in the original post was one of "missing being a size 4," not one of battling depression/obesity - to me it seemed like just another post looking for immediate gratification without any of the work.


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Posted: 10 Oct 2012, 10:57
^like.
eraindrop

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Posted: 30 Jan 2014, 17:15
x56que wrote:
Piano Noir..What is wrong with people these days? You ask a simple question and you get condescending replies. (I hope I can say something that is a little more encouraging here). I have suffered from depression my entire life and I've taken different antidepressants and I have taken Phentermine, too. Phentermine not only helped with weight loss, but it has been the best medication for me for my depression, too. Unfortunately, you can't take Phentermine long term and you have to be really careful about taking Phentermine with other antidepressants. Phentermine was thought to increase epinephrine and dopamine, but they also found that it increases serotonin, too. If you take this with another medication that increases serotonin you can have a build up serotonin and it can cause life-threatening toxicity in your body. I have been on the search for a medication similar to Phentermine, too. I'm not searching for this medication for weight loss, just the affect it has on me with regard to depression. I have been successful with losing 40 pounds over the last year with a program that I weighed in weekly and exercise. I didn't take any medication. (I'm certainly better at losing weight when I'm accountable to someone). Our community has a free support group that is called "Take Off Pounds Sensibly" -It is similar to Weight Watchers but it is free. This may be helpful to you. The other medication that you might want to ask your doctor about is Welbutrin. I started Welbutrin a few months ago for depression. It has a side effect of weight loss in some people. I found that it does help increase my energy level. (For me it isn't as effective as Phentermine, but it does help some.)Be very careful if you start this medication. It has a side effect of decreasing the seizure threshold in some people. Take it exactly as prescribed. What the CONDESENDING people on this form have to realize is that obesity is an epidemic in our society. They're so many physical, mental, and biological components to this disease. Researchers are just starting to realize it is more than just dieting and exercise. Try and remember that are bodies are programmed to hold on to weight and we are fighting an up hill battle every time we loss weight and try and keep it off. PLEASE BE SUPPORTIVE AND STOP PATRONIZING PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING FOR HELP!! Good luck Piano Noir..If I find anything that is as helpful as Phentermine, I'll let you know. Hang in there Smile


WOW! I had the same reaction. Now I'm not allowed to go back on it, as Medi Weight Loss will only let you go back on it if your BMI is above 23. However, I don't really want to go on it for the weight loss, I want it for the anti-depressant qualities! I never felt better! I was motivated, active, happy at work. It worked better than the highest dosage of Wellbutrin ever has (I actually hate Wellbutrin. Currently on it to counter act the sedating affects of Lexapro). Has anyone found an equivalent to this in a safer form, or more in the form of an anti-depressant? I have tried the full range of anti-depressants, and was shocked when I found that nothing worked for me like this Phendimetrazine / Phentermine did! I know it's crazy. I also suffer from anxiety, and yet never had it on this stuff! But when they took me off and told me to start taking the "Stay Slim" (their OTC version), I felt ill and THAT's when I had the anxiety. That stuff makes me hyper, angry, and sick to me stomach. But with the Phendimetrazine, I didn't even need to take the full dosage they were giving me (3 pills a day), 2 was sufficient. Oh I would give anything to find something like it again, something safe that they would actually prescribe. Please if anyone has any good information on this, please let me know. I finally felt like me again. At this point, I don't even care about the weight loss effect, I would just like the anti-depression effect.
mummydee

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Posted: 30 Jan 2014, 22:19
hola eraindrop,, did you notice that the posts were from 2 years ago?
eraindrop

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Posted: 31 Jan 2014, 09:19
uh. I guess my bad. I was searching Google and happened to come upon this, I did notice the date, but thought maybe someone would see my post and maybe still respond? I dunno? Lofty dreams I guess?
x56que

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Posted: 03 Feb 2014, 11:45
The nice thing about this forum is that the original author gets an e mail message indicating that someone has replied to a comment that you have made. At this point, you can decide to add a comment if you have anything to say about your original message. Two years ago, I posted that message and I’m responding to your post.
I originally found the forum through a quick Google search. I was seeing if Phentermine was ever used for depression. The reason, I became so frustrated with the replies from other authors is that no one gave a response that was encouraging. Everyone knows that making better food choices and exercising will result in weight loss. I believe that I have a food addiction. I struggle everyday with making good food choices just like an alcoholic struggles with taking a drink. It’s a daily battle with trying to keep the weight off!
At the time of my last post, I HAD NOT taken Phentermine for 5 years and I’d lost 40 pounds from going to Weight Watchers. I continued to follow the diet and continued to work out. My depression, however, spiraled out of control. The Welbutrin I was taking was not working any more. At this point, I stopped taking the Welbutrin and started to take some nutritional supplements. (BIG MISTAKE FOR ME PERSONALLY!) I ate organic food, and completely eliminated MSG and other preservatives from my diet. My weight dropped to 115 pounds. I was 170 at my heaviest point. I finally was thin. Too thin. I was so depressed. I could not eat, sleep, and I was having terrible anxiety attacks. I was suicidal. I wanted to die. It was so hard to finally be thin and to feel so exhausted. Everything I read said, if you exercise your brain will release endorphins and you’ll feel better. I also read that if I was eating right, I’d feel better. I was doing everything right and I still felt terrible.
My husband, finally put me into the hospital. The psychiatrist couldn’t believe I was still alive. I was crying uncontrollably. I looked terrible. He asked me if anything had helped me with my depression and I told him that Prozac and Phentermine helped. He wanted to try Prozac and Ritalin. I asked if he could substitute the Phentermine for the Ritalin as Ritalin is a scheduled 2 drug and Phentermine is a schedule 4. (Schedule 2 drugs are stronger). He started me on a small dose of Phentermine 15mg and added a larger dose of Prozac. I felt like living after one dose. I was discharged on this combination and continued to improve. A year later, I’m still on this combination. I have gained back 25 pounds since started this combination. I know I’m on a weight loss drug! My sleep has returned to normal and I’m a functional member of society again. This medication saved my life! I’m now continuing my battle with my food addiction. I don’t want to gain any more weight back. I need positive support so I’m going to go back to either Weight Watchers or TOPS.
My psychiatrist indicated that Phentermine isn’t a typically drug used for depression, but in my case it has worked and saved my life. I would suggest seeing a psychiatrist about your depression and don’t let your depression get out of control. The psychiatrist will probably try some different combinations of medication and he/she may EVENTUALLY try a stimulant like Ritalin if you’re treatment resistant like I was.
I sincerely wish you the best in finding something that helps you with your depression. Don’t ever give up! Message me if you need encouragement or you have any questions! Peace
ClassicRocke...

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Posted: 03 Feb 2014, 21:51
erain... if I may suggest. Intense exercising. Cardio, strength, anything. I have treatment resistant depression and my workouts are my prozac. Also add meditation on a daily basis. Plain, simple, non-addictive, no side effects other then the adrenaline pumping through your body making your feel wonderful. Be careful and be well.



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x56que

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Posted: 05 Feb 2014, 10:01
Please be aware that I am in no way shape or form advocating the use of Phentermine or stimulants for the use of depression. The latest consensus in the medical community is that they don’t know what causes depression and they believe it is a multifaceted disease that may be caused or influenced by a genetic predisposition, environmental factors or a low grade general inflammation in the brain or body. I have a long family history of depression and anxiety. I believe my depression is caused by a genetic predisposition and I have a severe form. When the drug companies developed their first selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors they believed that depression was caused by a lack of serotonin. Since then they have done studies and they have found that you can artificially decrease serotonin in the brain of some people and they don’t become depressed. They also found that by decreasing serotonin in people with a family history or possible genetic predisposition resulted in severe deadly form of depression. The general consensus is that antidepressant are helpful with depression but usually it helps people mainly who have a serve form. Treatment resistive depression is treated with adding atypical antipsychotics, stimulants or drugs from different classes.
Please excuse the long reply. This is the hot topic for me. Please consider trying different things to relieve your depression. Intensive exercising, herbs like 5HT, St. John’s Wort, Curcumen, SAME , classic antidepressants or psychotherapy. NOTE: TALK TO YOUR DOCTOR BEFORE ADDING SUPPLEMENTS IF YOU’RE CURRENTLY TAKING ANTIDEPRESSANT. SOME ARE CONTRAINDICATED. Also consider having your vitamin D levels drawn and have the doctor check your thyroid and glycosylated hemoglobin.
The main thing I’m trying to convey is to not become too discouraged if the first treatment fails. Continue to try different approaches. I sincerely hope that you find something that will finally bring you relief.



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