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koffeebean7

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Posted: 14 Jan 2012, 09:33
I am currently following a low carb diet based on the principles of Dr. Kekwick. I am eating 4 small "meals" per day consisting of around 250 calories each. My 1000 per day caloric intake is made up of around 80-90% fat. The other 10% of the calories comes from veggies.

This high-fat low-calorie diet is not a new concept, however is shunned by many. It is an extreme way of eating and should only be started under medical supervision.

Studies as far back as the 1800's have shown that this type of eating program will shed excess fat rapidly, safely, and without hunger. Physicians are still studying the amazing results of eating this way and are still finding that even though high amounts of fat are being consumed, the test subjects have lowered their cholesterol, blood pressure, and have been able to come off of medications.

There is some discrepancy as to how long one should be on this plan. Dr. Kekwick recommends that one should follow it for one month but on a week on, week off schedule. The off weeks should follow a diet closer to that of Atkins Induction. Other physicians and scientists advocate staying on a diet such as this for life with some modifications-not restricting caloric intake, reducing dairy consumption, and allowing several glasses of wine or liquor per day.

Some interesting and useful infomartion can be found at this site http://www.ourcivilisation.com/fat/chap1.htm. Note that One stone=14 lbs.

I know this is not "conventional" in the dieting world, however, I have done much of my own research and know how I feel when I eat this way. I have loads of energy, my GI symptoms have resolved (gluten sensitivity), my skin is clear and bright, the weight is melting off, and I am never hungry.

This eating lifestyle is also very easy to follow, is relatively inexpensive, and can be enjoyed by the whole family (of course with a few additions like potatoes, pasta, or bread).

This may not be for everyone, but the research and science behind it show it to be a sound and healthy way to lose weight, especially if you are metabolically resistant, have tried everything else, or need to kick start your weight loss program.
Nimm

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Posted: 14 Jan 2012, 10:20
A 1000 calorie per day diet, with basically zero protein and so little diversity that it practically guarantees multiple deficiencies of essential nutrients?

This is not a good idea.
koffeebean7

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Posted: 14 Jan 2012, 10:30
This is only recommended as a jump start for those who need to lose over 30 lbs or who are resistant to Atkins Induction. It is not meant to be long term (30 day cycle). I eat plenty of veggies, lean meat but add butter or coconut oil, and take vitamins and antioxidants daily.

For example, this morning I had a 3 egg white omelet with 1 oz of mushrooms and 1/3 C of asparagus cooked in olive oil and butter. I also had 2 Jacksonville sausage links. Lunch will be a 3 oz pork chop and 1 C buttered cabbage. I eat a variety of protein, veggies, and fats.

I understand your concern as it is valid. This is extreme and should be done under the care of a physician. I am a Critical Care RN and have reviewed scientific evidence to this way of eating. I did not go in blindly nor should anyone else.
mikefarinha

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Posted: 14 Jan 2012, 10:55
koffeebean, I'm all for your diet. I think a high fat diet is a fantastic idea as long as the majority of your fat is saturated fat. The fact that you use butter (hopefully grass-fed) and coconut oil tells me that you are on the right track! My only question is what is the deal with the egg whites? With eggs all the nutrition and fat is in the yoke, the white is just pure protein.

I think 1000 cals/day for 30 days should be fine. I don't think I'd go longer than that on such a low calorie diet.

You sound like you're quite open minded to alternative thoughts on obesity and health. I too have been reading a lot and would like to point you to this site for some good info: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/

-Mike
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fatoldlady

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Posted: 14 Jan 2012, 11:10
I agree that there is a lot of misinformation out there about diets. I did Atkins about ten years ago and lost weight but the carb cravings never went away so that is not something I could follow long term. I was concerned about my cholesterol and so I had it tested before I started and even though I was eating more fat than I ever had the bad cholesterol actually dropped and the good increased within a few months.
gnat824

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Posted: 14 Jan 2012, 11:12
I'm not sure I understand how it's even possible to eat a diet that's so intensely focused on one macro- most foods draw on at least some combination of them I would also worry about muscle loss if you're dropping weight but not getting any measurable amount of protein. I just heard the other day that anytime you're not actively building muscle, you're depleting it and protein synthesis doesn't happen without complete proteins in your diet.
- Natalie
koffeebean7

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Posted: 14 Jan 2012, 11:30
Mikefarinha, I don't like the taste of eggs very much (except egg salad) so I prefer to use egg whites for breakfast. My breakdown is approx 60% fat, 30% protein, and 7% carbs. When I was on Nurtisystem years ago, the combined meals plus snacks only equated approx 1200 cal. I will bump up my caloric intake after the 30 days.

Thanks everyone for your input. I do believe there is so much more to learn about what humans need to eat for health, correcting imbalances, reversing diseases, reducing inflammation, etc.

Just look at the Ketogenic diet in treating epilepsy successfully, or how adding 5 Tbsp per day of coconut oil has been shown to reverse the debilitating effects of Alzheimer's, or how Eskimos eating only whale and other fat are healthier than the average American.

We can learn so much from each other and from other cultures. We just need to be open minded and accepting of new (even crazy) ideas.

Again, thank you for the input. I enjoy lively topics and it's great to meet new people on the same journey!
sbromwich

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Posted: 14 Jan 2012, 12:19
Great article. I'm curious how much exercise you do? I'm on a similar diet at the moment, but I use carbs to prime myself for exercise (eg a coffee with 50g of sugar this morning before riding down to the farmer's market to pick up the week's groceries). I'm definitely converting fat to muscle (since I just had to buy a new wardrobe again last night) so I would certainly agree that eating more fat leads to fat reduction.
mikefarinha

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Posted: 14 Jan 2012, 12:32
koffeebean, I too have read of the amazing benefits of coconut oil on Alzheimer's. and just when you think all hope is lost last night I watched a recording of Dr. Oz with his 'super' team of doc's and the neurosurgeon said that fat can reverse the disease. He didn't go into detail, as the Dr. Oz show likes to gloss over promotion of sat fat, but he did mention avocado, coconut oil, and grass-fed beef.

Slowly but surely this info is making its way into the mainstream.

-Mike
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DLynneGarner

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Posted: 18 Jan 2012, 10:20
Dr. Atkins refers to Dr. Kekwick's diet in the book, "Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution" from 1992. Dr. Atkins has a version he calls a "Fat Fast", which is 1000 calories and 75-90% fat spread over 5 200 calorie meals. It is virtually free of vegetables and the protien comes from bacon, avocado, macadamia nuts, eggs and low carb dairy like cheese and sour cream. However, he also says, "Let me make it clear that the Fat Fast is actually dangerous for anyone who is not metabolically resistant. For people who lose weight fairly easily, the rate of weight loss is too rapid to be safe. But it carries very little risk for people who can barely lose on any other regimen." And he recommends it for only 4 or 5 days. He offers a modified version of 1200 calories or 300 calories per 4 meals, but again only for a week before going back on induction. Just FYI.
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gnat824

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Posted: 18 Jan 2012, 10:37
koffeebean, since you raised the topic of other cultures, its worth pointing out that those cultures also exist on the other end of the spectrum- in Latin American, beans and corn have long been the core of the traditional diet and the main source of protein. There are also people in the highlands of Papua New Guinnea that have been living on a diet consisting almost entirely of carbohydrates. People who generalize paleo diets as being meat dominated hunter-gatherer fare are overlooking the wide range of variety in prehistoric eating habits that adapted to all sorts of different environments. The bottom line: Healthy diets come in many forms. There's still so much we don't understand about the nutrients we have studied- not to mention what we don't know we don't know- the ones we haven't discovered yet, synergies between them, etc.
- Natalie
mikefarinha

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Posted: 18 Jan 2012, 11:13
Gnat, I think you bring up a great point! There is also the Kitavans who eat a high carbohydrate/low animal diet and are super healthy.

I think it is good to look at other cultures foods but we need to go deeper than that and look at a lot of other things that culture does too.

If anyone has heard of the work of Dr. Weston A. Price will know that back in the 30s & 40s he traveled the world looking at traditional cultures that were known for their superior health (there are also traditional cultures with poor health). It goes with out saying that these cultures had no processed food and very little sugar but they also knew about natural toxins in foods. Animals can run or fight back when threatened... plants have to take a different approach for survival. Plants have many defense mechanisms to discourage their consumption. Two common ones among seeds are Phytic Acid and Lectins. These and other 'anti-nutrients' will actually bind with minerals and nutrients and pull them from our bodies as they work their way through our system which leads to deficiencies. Healthy traditional cultures will soak these seeds & grains (cereal grains, corn, legumes, nuts, etc.) to deactivate these anti-nutrients, they'd also fermented these foods to further remove these anti-nutrients and make the good nutrients more 'bio available' to our body. You can read all about this in the books 'Nourishing Traditions' or 'Deep Nutrition' and others.

I don't know how true this is but it has been said that when you sprout a seed like wheat, oats, rice, etc. it turns from a seed into a vegetable. I think that is a good visual.

However we no longer do this. We are told that grains should be the foundation of our diet with no mention of soaking/sprouting/fermenting. Yet we continue to have all sort of deficiencies in our diet. Hurray for supplements!

To add insult to injury the majority of Wheat, Corn, and Soy in the USA is genetically modified to be 'roundup ready'. Meaning crop growers can saturate these plants with pesticides and weed killer without the plant dying. So we have GMO plans that have never been tested for long term human consumption that have been saturated with pesticides. It's probably a good idea to avoid these foods.

And don't get me started on vegetable oil! The supposedly 'good fat' that barely existed in the human diet until 100 years ago... and yet is in everything. Find me a salad dressing that doesn't have either soybean oil, canola oil, or safflower oil in it.

...sorry for the rant Smile sometimes I get worked up about this!

-Mike
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Olivia70

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Posted: 18 Jan 2012, 11:49
I couldn't believe how much "stuff" is added to the little chicken bouillon cubes and granules. There is actually soybean oil in those too.

I made my own chicken broth, and I know this sounds crazy, but I cannot bring myself to eat it because it just looks gross to me. I know that it is much healthier than the jarred stuff, but I'm so used to the other that it's hard to break away from what I grew up on. I know...get over it, right. Wink
fatoldlady

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Posted: 18 Jan 2012, 12:08
I live on the prairies and the way grain is farmed is definitely loaded with chemicals. Not only is roundup used on a regular basis they also inject liquid nitrogen into the soil to sterilize it. Then massive amounts of chemical fertilizers are poured on to make the crops grow in this sterilized medium. I talked with the farmers and every year they need more and more chemicals to make things grow. Returning to a more natural way of farming is not an option as it will take many many years and lot of organic supplements for the soil recover. They have been brain washed by the chemical companies and seed producers to think that this is the only way to farm. One farmer that was trying to develope his own seed stock and grow it in an organic fashion was sued by a major seed producer for patent violation because his crops were cross pollinated by a neighbouring farm that bought the seed from the producer. I don't think it is just grain products that are produced this way but vegetables and fruit as well.
danzarth

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Posted: 18 Jan 2012, 12:09
It's good to see that I'm not the only one who is having success with a low-carb, high-fat diet.

I started mine after reading about Vilhjalmur Stefansson, who observed the Inuit eating a diet almost exclusively of high-fat meats. I'm working with a doctor, who definitely thought this diet was not a good idea, but we are having test done every few months to monitor for imbalances and deficiencies. So far, I'm in top health, aside from the weight I have yet to lose.

I say, if it works for you, stick with it. Just keep in mind that a lot of nutrients are hard to obtain from a no-veg diet, so a daily multivitamin is almost a necessity, unless you're in the habit of eating things like raw liver.

@Olivia, I know what you mean about homemade broth and stock. For me, it was the little floating particles in the homemade stuff that put me off. But, I found that by filtering it through a collander lined with a kitchen towel, or even paper towels, that it came out much clearer. Plus, with homemade, you can add or remove any of the ingredients, depending on what you like, and you control the salt content.

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mikefarinha

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Posted: 18 Jan 2012, 12:37
Here is a great write up of the intuit diet: http://annchilders.blogspot.com/2012/01/how-can-people-who-gorge-on-fat-and.html

Yes, to sustain a mostly animal diet one would have to eat the organs too. Liver is the most nutrient dense and has things like CoQ10 and Vit. C. And brains are a good source of Omega-3, not that I've actually eaten brains! yet... Smile

As for the chicken broth I do what danzarth does and strain it. I use a cheese cloth. If you don't like how oily it is you can refrigerate it and the oil will solidify at the top. Skim it off and it should be closer to what you're used to Smile I know its a lot more work than just opening the can but it can be fun!

For me personally I've found that if I know why I should eat something aside from the generic 'its good for you!' I'm more likely to include it in my diet.

I recently read "Deep Nutrition" by Dr. Cate. A fascinating book on why we should eat a traditional diet.

One of the many reasons to make your own bone broth is that it is the only dietary source of collagen, the building blocks of our connective tissue. People who regularly consume bone broth tend to keep their youthful look as they age and have better joint mobility and stronger bones.

-Mike
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Olivia70

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Posted: 18 Jan 2012, 12:59
Mike,

You crack me up on the "...and it can be fun". Laughing Seriously. I will try the straining and see if it looks more palatable.

But...what to do about the sweet tooth. I definitely have cut the cravings for sweets, but not entirely. What do you eat when you are craving something sweet, Mike? I asked you this on another forum, but not sure it went through. Or maybe you don't crave sweets at all??
MeatBaby

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Posted: 18 Jan 2012, 13:08
koffeebean7 wrote:
My breakdown is approx 60% fat, 30% protein, and 7% carbs.


What the heck is the other 3%?
mikefarinha

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Posted: 18 Jan 2012, 13:13
Maybe I don't crave sweets at all? Who do you think I am, Superman? lol.

Like most people here this is my kryptonite. If you figure out a good solution then please let me know!

I like the idea of using natural sweeteners like honey and maple syrup but they also cause insulin spikes which is bad for weight-loss. Natural forms of Stevia are supposed to be good but expen$ive. I've seen ways to make your own but I only have so much time in the day.

So right now I alternate between honey and my dwindling supply of Stevia In The Raw and Splenda. I really don't like the artificial stuff so once I'm out of my artificial sweeteners I'll reevaluate my approach.

Oh, and agave nectar is no good. It is basically pure fructose.

-Mike
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Olivia70

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Posted: 18 Jan 2012, 13:38
Well, yes, Mike, I thought you were a superhero. : ) I hear ya though, only so much time in a day. If we lived on Little House On the Prairie, preparing food would pretty much be the majority of what we did in a day. Growing a Stevia plant is just taking it way too far.

With all this talk of natural foods, it brings to mind my grandmother hacking off a chicken's head and at the tender age of 7, me watching the thing run around like that and then everyone expecting I would actually eat the chicken soup hours later. LOL Maybe I've been scarred for life. But...I do love me some chicken skin.

Oh, and speaking of eating very little veggies, and mostly fat, my last couple of days have been like 4% carbs. I've never felt better, and don't even get me started on my energy level. It's outa this world crazy energy. And I am tired earlier than when I had mostly carbs and I get a ridiculously good night's sleep...except for last night when I was sandwiched between 2 kitties. Very Happy




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