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sexynonna

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Posted: 21 Apr 2011, 13:57
I wish people who have stated they are doing the Atkins diet would either read the new book or go to the atkins wedsite and do the lessons.Mad They asked for help and then when you offer the help,that they asked for, and tell them they have to eat vegatables,they get upset.Question I think some people do want they want,don't follow the program properly,don't lose weight or stall after the water weight loss,and then get mad and wonder why..
This works if you follow the plan and commit to the lifestyle.If its not for you fine, that ok.I hope you find a program that works.But please don't say your following atkins if your not following it properly.
Good luck to everyone...
nonna
gnat824

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Posted: 21 Apr 2011, 14:06
My theory is that people self select- if you're comfortable with eatings lots of green stuff, you are more likely to go the low fat/low cal direction, but if you don't and like the idea of eating lots of meat, cheese and butter, you're more likely to do atkins. But the bottom line is that you have to eat from both sides- low carbers need veggies and low fat/low cal diets also need the dairy and proteins!
- Natalie
kmartin

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Posted: 21 Apr 2011, 14:17
Nonna, I couldn't agree with you more. However, not all people are doing the new version of Atkins so most likely wont get the right answers for them.
Welcome to your journey - May it be prosperous.

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gkcfm95

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Posted: 21 Apr 2011, 14:19
I agree, I have 3 Atkins books that I have re-read several times and reviewed things on their website. Yet I have seen so many posts asking "what am I doing wrong?" You have to educate yourself.

Every type of diet out there is about a proper balance between fat, protein & carbs. If you don't follow the plan, it isn't going to work!

~kelly
ctlss

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Posted: 21 Apr 2011, 14:28
I follow the old Atkins and I eat plenty of veggies (have since the start), and now nuts and fruits also...it is NOT just meat, cheese, butter, and eggs! Atkins is not the only diet that uses a reverse pyramid.
Let us be grateful to people who make us happy, they are the charming gardeners who make our souls blossom.
~Marcel Proust~

The hippopatamus is a vegetarian and looks like a wall. Lions who eat only red meat are sleek and slim. Could it be that human nutritionists are on the wrong track?
~Erma Bombeck~

"Each morning when I open my eyes I say to myself: I, not events, have the power to make me happy or unhappy today. I can choose which it shall be. Yesterday is dead, tomorrow hasn't arrived yet. I have just one day, today, and I'm going to be happy in it. "
~Groucho Marx~


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AmethystM

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Posted: 21 Apr 2011, 16:21
nonna - I hear you. I just got my Oxygen magazine and it says this, "a study in 'Annals of Internal Medicine' followed the diets of nearly 130,000 men and women for 20-plus years. Those who ate a mainly animal-sourced low-carb diet had a higher mortality rate than their peers. The same study showed that low-carb dieters who noshed mostly plant-based food lowered their risk of an early death. The moral? High-vegetable diets aren't just good for your waistline - they may lengthen your life!"
Comfortable at this size/weight (I really don't want to buy size 0 jeans).

It's not about "weight" or the number on the scale. It's about lean muscle mass and body fat percentage.
At 125 I was a size 8 (after I lost 100+ pounds over 1.5 years).
At 135 I was a size 6 (maintained for several years) and over 28% body fat. I had 97 pounds of lean muscle mass and felt skinny fat.
Now at 140 I am a size 2 and have the smallest measurements I've ever had since I started taking them around the age of 18. I'm at 25% body fat and 107 pounds of lean muscle mass!! I'm no She-Hulk, either.

Don't tell me you aren't losing "weight." That doesn't tell me anything. Tell me how much fat you've lost and how much lean body mass you've gained. Here's a good start to estimate: http://www.scientificpsychic.com/fitness/diet.html
BuffyBear

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Posted: 21 Apr 2011, 17:02
Sexynonna & all - here I sit with my 1992 Atkins under "The Rules of Induction". I count 59 vegetables listed. And my other pet peeve - Atkins repeatedly refers to Induction as a "14 Day Diet". How are you going to learn a way of lifelong eating if you can't get off the baby bottle?
Eat like your life depends on it.

gkcfm95

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Posted: 21 Apr 2011, 18:30
BuffyBear wrote:
Sexynonna & all - here I sit with my 1992 Atkins under "The Rules of Induction". I count 59 vegetables listed. And my other pet peeve - Atkins repeatedly refers to Induction as a "14 Day Diet". How are you going to learn a way of lifelong eating if you can't get off the baby bottle?


That is exactly what I mean! You have to eat veggies, not just meat, eggs & cheese. It frustrates me that people say Atkins is unhealthy! How is eating the standard portion of meat I would have always had (4-6oz), and substituting the mashed potatoes or mac & cheese for broccoli & cauliflower? Or wrapping my turkey in lettuce instead of bread?

I don't understand why people stay on induction so long. It's not the only phase of the plan. I was happy to move to OWL so I could have more variety of food and learn what my body could handle.

IMO all the chemicals, pills and imitation food that is out there is WAY worse than anything I eat. If I was drinking a shake for breakfast & lunch no one would say anything about that!

My support goes out to all those trying to get healthier. No matter what path you take, we're all aiming for the same place.

~kelly
jwb474

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Posted: 21 Apr 2011, 19:05
I never considered Adkins because I had the common misconception that it was unhealthy. I read the book Why We Get Fat And What To Do About It after seeing the author on Dr. Oz (they went head to head on the show!) This book goes into great detail explaining the science behind a lower carb diet, the myths and misunderstandings surrounding low carb diets, and why conventional diets diets simply do not work for some folks (like me!) I mean I eventually will lose weight on low-fat diets but I'm usually half-starved, miserable, grumpy, and it's just a struggle for every ounce lost! Not fun. I started Adkins a week ago, lost all that water I was retaining from the carbs and I feel better than I have felt in a long, long time. I obviously am a carb sensitive person and I now I know it! Even if it takes a long time to lose the rest of the weight I'm ok with that because I FEEL good doing it!
hkaruga

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Posted: 21 Apr 2011, 20:05

Well, you really shouldn't judge perhaps they did read the book, just not the same one that you did. The orginal adkins book was published in the early 1970s. And many would argue that the recent changes to the diet were simple to appease those with traditional ideas of what is healthy. The atkins diet of today, that you and I follow is NOT the diet the same diet Robert Atkins first developed and there are still some hard core, old school atkins dieters out there. But I say to each his/her own!

The 2 week induction is not meant as just a quick fix but rather a way to starve those carb and sugar cravings that poison so many of us and kick start your diet, show me and motivate one to keep going; you can not deny that those doing the induction faithfully lose more by, even withoth 'biggest loser' style 4 hour workouts, than those on 2 weeks of any moderate/low fat diet. Then you work your way but to a carb level that will allow you to maintain the weight loss. The problem is that people lose the weight then go back to sugar and carb filled over eating then gain the weight back that is the fault of the temporary dieter not the diet itself.

I'm with you jwb474, this is the best I have felt in my life... As someone working in the healthcare field I was told the same thing and would never really considered such a thing, until I met a 60-something year old physician who had returned to work after a heart attack forty pounds lighter, better triglycerides, LDL and HDL than he has ever had. He told me in a personal conversation, he had converted... it provoked me to do my own research.
FLOWERDUDE

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Posted: 21 Apr 2011, 20:41
Where is the frickin' "LIKE" button when you need one. Many of the peeps who ask me how I've lost the weight automatically respond with "ohhhh, the bacon diet". Im like .. well I can have bacon and probably do 3 times A MONTH. I also go thru 4-5 lbs of greens a week...and when I say GO thru... .I really mean it!

"Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children." -Kahlil Gibran

"Just living is not enough ... One must have sunshine, freedom, and a little flower.” - Hans Christian Andersen (1805-1875)

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ctlss

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Posted: 21 Apr 2011, 20:48
Amen, Steve!!!!! The cost of fresh veggies is staggering!!
Let us be grateful to people who make us happy, they are the charming gardeners who make our souls blossom.
~Marcel Proust~

The hippopatamus is a vegetarian and looks like a wall. Lions who eat only red meat are sleek and slim. Could it be that human nutritionists are on the wrong track?
~Erma Bombeck~

"Each morning when I open my eyes I say to myself: I, not events, have the power to make me happy or unhappy today. I can choose which it shall be. Yesterday is dead, tomorrow hasn't arrived yet. I have just one day, today, and I'm going to be happy in it. "
~Groucho Marx~


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ctlss

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Posted: 21 Apr 2011, 20:54
FYI, it says in the books written by Dr. Atkins that those with more to lose can stay on induction as long as they feel the need. I stayed on it for 14 months. No problems. I have been quite faithful and done quite well. Smile
Let us be grateful to people who make us happy, they are the charming gardeners who make our souls blossom.
~Marcel Proust~

The hippopatamus is a vegetarian and looks like a wall. Lions who eat only red meat are sleek and slim. Could it be that human nutritionists are on the wrong track?
~Erma Bombeck~

"Each morning when I open my eyes I say to myself: I, not events, have the power to make me happy or unhappy today. I can choose which it shall be. Yesterday is dead, tomorrow hasn't arrived yet. I have just one day, today, and I'm going to be happy in it. "
~Groucho Marx~


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kitty469782

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Posted: 21 Apr 2011, 21:41
i eat bacon everyday. is this ok?
maw1966

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Posted: 21 Apr 2011, 21:54
I'm glad to hear you stayed on induction that long ctiss. I love the induction phase. Sensitve to gluten anyway and only like a limited amount of veggies(working on that) and perfectly happy here. Not perfect but working.
If it were easy, everyone would be doing it
ctlss

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Posted: 21 Apr 2011, 22:02
Kitty, according to Dr. Atkins it was! Smile
Let us be grateful to people who make us happy, they are the charming gardeners who make our souls blossom.
~Marcel Proust~

The hippopatamus is a vegetarian and looks like a wall. Lions who eat only red meat are sleek and slim. Could it be that human nutritionists are on the wrong track?
~Erma Bombeck~

"Each morning when I open my eyes I say to myself: I, not events, have the power to make me happy or unhappy today. I can choose which it shall be. Yesterday is dead, tomorrow hasn't arrived yet. I have just one day, today, and I'm going to be happy in it. "
~Groucho Marx~


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ctlss

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Posted: 21 Apr 2011, 22:03
maw1966, I have some intestinal issues also. When I upped my carbs, I did it with fruit and more veggies. You are doing great! Smile
Let us be grateful to people who make us happy, they are the charming gardeners who make our souls blossom.
~Marcel Proust~

The hippopatamus is a vegetarian and looks like a wall. Lions who eat only red meat are sleek and slim. Could it be that human nutritionists are on the wrong track?
~Erma Bombeck~

"Each morning when I open my eyes I say to myself: I, not events, have the power to make me happy or unhappy today. I can choose which it shall be. Yesterday is dead, tomorrow hasn't arrived yet. I have just one day, today, and I'm going to be happy in it. "
~Groucho Marx~


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maw1966

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Posted: 21 Apr 2011, 22:18
Thanks! And I do love fruit. But Im okay right now learning to eat more veggies without the temptation of fruit lol. Alot of great recipes here to help me too.
If it were easy, everyone would be doing it
radiochick

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Posted: 21 Apr 2011, 22:58
I think the low fat diet craze was the stupidest thing of the century... and the cause of the gallstone epidemic... raise your hand if you had your gall bladder removed... (hand in air).

I respect Atkins... I just can't do it. Though, I still limit my carb intake to small portions of whole grains, with the rest coming from veggies and fruit! I try not eat over 50 carbs at one meal (or I get all glossy eyed anyway). I try to hit 100g of protein every day. It's working, though not as fast as an induction phase.
trill42

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Posted: 22 Apr 2011, 09:00
hkaruga wrote:

Well, you really shouldn't judge perhaps they did read the book, just not the same one that you did. The orginal adkins book was published in the early 1970s. And many would argue that the recent changes to the diet were simple to appease those with traditional ideas of what is healthy. The atkins diet of today, that you and I follow is NOT the diet the same diet Robert Atkins first developed and there are still some hard core, old school atkins dieters out there. But I say to each his/her own!


I totally agree. Thanks for putting it out there. New "Atkiners" following the "New" book aren't necessarily the "only" people allowed to be considered following the Atkins Diet. I "try" my best to follow the diet Dr. Atkins devoted his life to for 0ver 35 years! Not just the diet his institute basically just "UPDATED" the past few years after his death. I have NOT bought the New book and WILL NOT buy the new book. But I am still doing Atkins no matter what anyone says. There are many other educational and medical sources out there that back up what Dr. Atkins has been saying for a very long time. They are worth reading for a well rounded understanding of low carb eating way of life. The New Book is not the Bible of Atkins. Atkins is an over 35 year science. It's a free lifestyle Not a Nazi or Communist regimen way of eating with strict rules and regulations to make people feel miserable or guilty because they didn't eat 12-15 of veggie carbs. Atkins always believed in freedom of choice once you get into the latter phases with CORE GUIDLINES to follow to best suit Your Personal Needs. He would be turning over in his grave knowing that people are arguing over who is considered a "valid" Atkins dieter... It's always been about freedom of food choices within parameters (low carb), vitamins and nutrients (however you get them) and living a lifestyle tailored to fit the individual.



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