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thinkthin60

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Posted: 31 Jan 2011, 15:18
I'm a yoyo dieter, am starting again today. Trying Atkins this time. I really would like to win the battle this time. I need to lose 60 lbs.
Myree67

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Posted: 31 Jan 2011, 15:20
Atkins works if you make it a way of life and not just a diet. I've lost over 80 lbs now and only have 36.5 to go till goal... if I don't lower my goal... Welcome to the club! A few tips are 1. record all food and activity and make sure you are consuming your RDI every day because if you don't eat enough you won't lose after a while.
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mdep1229

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Posted: 31 Jan 2011, 15:41
Perhaps you should go read the book carefully and/or go on the Aktins website because fruits are not allowed during induction. If your diet calender is correct, the orange you had for breakfast already put you over the net carbs limit for today!
RoseLady

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Posted: 31 Jan 2011, 15:50
I have done Atkins before and it was probably the best and easiest diet I was ever on. I'm starting quick weight loss center now and I am hoping it is as good. I need so help this time I think.

Good luck on your weight loss
MomofTwoGirl...

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Posted: 31 Jan 2011, 15:58
Just my advice, don't have to take it, but here it is anyway. Your a yo-yo dieter already, and (in my opinion) going right back to yo-yoing with atkins. You will most likely not be able to keep it up for the rest of your life, which is what you would have to do. You don't want to do another "diet" you want a better way of life. To me, that means counting calories, and not restricting yourself totally from anything - because when you do that, you will aventually fail. Weight Watchers is a great plan, and if you do some smart googling, you will find out all you need to know free of charge. Good luck!
kokusho

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Posted: 31 Jan 2011, 16:29
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You will most likely not be able to keep it up for the rest of your life

Why not?

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not restricting yourself totally from anything - because when you do that, you will aventually fail.

is that a guarantee?
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assuranceage...

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Posted: 31 Jan 2011, 16:39
I find counting carbs MUCH easier and more satisfying than counting calories.

And who is suggesting restricting anything totally? Atkins surely doesn't advocate that.

/shrug.

Weight Watchers is not a bad plan, by any means. That said, any diet that focuses on calorie restriction typically results in hunger. It is hunger, more than anything else, that leads to diet failure.

For some, Weight Watchers is the ticket. For me, as a diabetic, a low calorie, high carbohydrate diet is much like putting a person with heart disease on a diet high in trans fat.

What is healhty for one may be dangerous for another.
Myree67

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Posted: 31 Jan 2011, 16:48
Agreed I tried Weight Watchers and was hungry all the time! I love Atkins and the only thing I'm restricted from is starchy foods and sugar stuff that is bad for you and you shouldn't eat anyway!
"There is no try just do or do not" Yoda

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RedHolly

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Posted: 31 Jan 2011, 16:57
I was always hungry and not losing when on Weightwatchers years ago. I can honestly say I never feel deprived on Atkins. There are plentiful options. Some options may not be exactly what I crave, but I can always find something to satisfy me.

Also, calorie counting is a thing of the past for me. Actually, I have problems getting in ENOUGH calories as I should because I am satisfied with the foods I have eaten. It is hard to believe there is a diet that naturally makes me full and I have too few calories.

But, as Assurance states so perfectly, what is healthy or what works for one person may not be the answer for another. Whatever you choose, it needs to be a lifelong commitment ... to first lose and then maintain. You cannot go back to the old ways, even after you hit your goal. Wishing you luck!
MomofTwoGirl...

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Posted: 31 Jan 2011, 18:18
kokusho wrote:
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You will most likely not be able to keep it up for the rest of your life

Why not?

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not restricting yourself totally from anything - because when you do that, you will aventually fail.

is that a guarantee?


Keeping up a restrictive diet for the rest of your life is, in my opinion, not possible. Going though life, and not being able to EVER have certain foods is not living life. Moderation is the key - and this is coming from someone who has done Atkins and lost 30+ pounds in a few months, then, as most people do, couldn't keep it up, and gained everything back, plus. Then went on a Weight Watchers type diet, and have lost over 120 pounds. Like I said, this is just my opinion, so if you have a problem with that, so very sorry.
By the way, draw blood from someone whos doing Atkins compaired to someone whos just calorie counting.... not a very healthy diet IN MY OPINION.
MomofTwoGirl...

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Posted: 31 Jan 2011, 18:32
assuranceagent wrote:
I find counting carbs MUCH easier and more satisfying than counting calories.

And who is suggesting restricting anything totally? Atkins surely doesn't advocate that.

/shrug.

Weight Watchers is not a bad plan, by any means. That said, any diet that focuses on calorie restriction typically results in hunger. It is hunger, more than anything else, that leads to diet failure.

For some, Weight Watchers is the ticket. For me, as a diabetic, a low calorie, high carbohydrate diet is much like putting a person with heart disease on a diet high in trans fat.

What is healhty for one may be dangerous for another.


Atkins, is the diabetic diet, so of course it works best for someone who is diabetic, and someone who has no choice but to eat that way. However, I can't understand the comment from several people on here saying that calorie counting left them hungry. The only thing I can say is that they didn't divide out their points very well.
Like everyone has said, whatever works for you is what is best, and as I said in the beginning of my original post, this is my opinion. I've seem so many people so many times go on Atkins thinking that its the mirical diet, and fail withing a month because it is so restrictive. People just need to realize that there is no mirical out there - hard work and determination is all there is.
mdep1229

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Posted: 31 Jan 2011, 18:46
I don't have any statistical data, just an impression from reading the forum and the people I know, it seems as if more men are able to live the Atkins lifestyle than women.

Is it possible that we inherently need more carbs? Most of the time I am happy with a piece of fruit (or even a tiny slice of cheese) as dessert. During that time of the month, however, I crave sugar. Usually satisfied by a piece of dark chocolate or two, or one cookie (yes, I can actually eat one cookie and stop), or a cup of hot chocolate. So for two to three days a month I plan my meals to accommodate 200 to 300 extra calories. Not a big deal if you go with "calories in, calories out" or Weight Watchers type of diet, but may not work well with Atkins.

I also get epic bloat and gas if I eat anything with sugar alcohol, NOT a pretty situation to be in. Shock
RedHolly

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Posted: 31 Jan 2011, 18:57
I don't have any proof of this either, just old wisdom from my mother... she used to say that women are like "grazers" and tend to graze on the vegetation and grains while men are the hunters and enjoy the proteins. Good old motherly theory Smile
iamtig

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Posted: 31 Jan 2011, 20:17
Hello and very welcome to have you Thinkthin. There is quite a bit to learn on your new way of eating and we are here to help! Join the different Atkins forums here and send out many buddy requests. As said above, journal everything you eat and drink as well as the exact name brand of what ever it is. Logging actual weight helps also, example '2 ounces Orange Tomato' opposed to '1/4 of a tomato' or '2 strips of Best Buy Smoke House Bacon' opposed to '1 serving bacon'. ~tig

My mind controls my body, my body no longer controls my mind.

There is no more falling off the wagon for me. I am on for the entire trip. I am the only one in control of how smooth the ride.

(Both quotes by ~tig)
kokusho

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Posted: 02 Feb 2011, 08:50
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By the way, draw blood from someone whos doing Atkins compaired to someone whos just calorie counting.... not a very healthy diet IN MY OPINION.

Could you please elaborate, I'm not sure what you mean by this. I'm not on atkins but I do eat a low carb high fat diet (carb cycling). What should I be looking out for?
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Posted: 02 Feb 2011, 09:03
mdep1229 wrote:
I don't have any statistical data, just an impression from reading the forum and the people I know, it seems as if more men are able to live the Atkins lifestyle than women.

Is it possible that we inherently need more carbs? Most of the time I am happy with a piece of fruit (or even a tiny slice of cheese) as dessert. During that time of the month, however, I crave sugar. Usually satisfied by a piece of dark chocolate or two, or one cookie (yes, I can actually eat one cookie and stop), or a cup of hot chocolate. So for two to three days a month I plan my meals to accommodate 200 to 300 extra calories. Not a big deal if you go with "calories in, calories out" or Weight Watchers type of diet, but may not work well with Atkins.

I also get epic bloat and gas if I eat anything with sugar alcohol, NOT a pretty situation to be in. Shock


I think it is absolutely possible. Most exercise science (actually most medical science if we really want to go there) is based on studies using mostly male subjects. I read an article earlier this year about a study showing that women metabolize fats differently than men. It stands to reason that there are many differences in nutritional needs between women and men. Just nobody has bothered looking for them much and instead just we just assume we can treat women exactly like miniature men.
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Posted: 02 Feb 2011, 10:32
If a "diet" is not sustainable for the long term it is doomed to fail. I personally would do fine with a low carb diet, but choose to go with moderation in all things and calories in/out because it is easier for me.

Thinkthin60 - if you find the Atkins approach something you can do for the rest of your life, it will probably work. If you find it difficult or unsustainable, I would recommend learning as much as you can about nutrition and apply moderation. Yo-yo dieting seems to be worse than not dieting at all based on something I read on the Internets (so it must be true).



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Posted: 02 Feb 2011, 11:06
Not to condone or persecute any type of diet, but I'll say that I didn't think low-carb dieting was realistic to sustain until I tried it. No, I am not following Atkins which begins at a much lower carb level than I am at currently, but I am definitely leaning heavily on the Atkins community here for ideas & tips.

At first it was just something I was going to try for a while to see how well it fit my life, & it is MUCH more comfortable than I expected. I am also carb cycling & I find that the one day each week I do eat carbs is plenty. To be honest, by the end of the day I'm pretty sick of carbs & I'm ready to get back to my regular eating plan.

I feel great about reducing the amount of sugar in my everyday diet & I rarely, if ever, have big cravings for carby stuff. I don't foresee giving up this WOE anytime in the near future, but that doesn't mean I'll do it for the rest of my life. I don't think you have to decide that for it to work. Just commit to it for at least a couple of months to give your body time to adjust, then decide if you want to stay with it.

Be aware that with low-carb diets you will start packing on fat if you just go off them, so if you don't want that to happen you have to follow the process. For Atkins it's very clearly defined.

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amphigory

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Posted: 02 Feb 2011, 13:15
k8yk wrote:

I think it is absolutely possible. Most exercise science (actually most medical science if we really want to go there) is based on studies using mostly male subjects. I read an article earlier this year about a study showing that women metabolize fats differently than men. It stands to reason that there are many differences in nutritional needs between women and men. Just nobody has bothered looking for them much and instead just we just assume we can treat women exactly like miniature men.


The ATOZ study was based solely on women. It studied four diets (Atkins, Traditional, Ornish, and the Zone -- ATOZ, get it?) and found that Atkins outperformed the others by a factor of 2 after either a year or 18 months--I can't remember which. So, there's certainly strong scientific evidence that Atkins works for women in a reasonably long-term study.

What I found especially interesting in that study, though, was that they found Atkins worked best by far for people who were insulin resistant. For people who weren't, it was only a little better than conventional diets. What this says to me is that, if you have 10 or 20 lbs. to lose, Atkins probably isn't any better than traditional diets because you probably aren't suffering from metabolic syndrome. On the other hand, if you have 50-100 lbs. to lose, or you have other symptoms of metabolic syndrome (high blood pressure, blood sugar disorders, lipidemia -- i.e. high cholestorol, etc.) Atkins is the best diet for you by far.

So ... I think Atkins does work better for some than others, and I think that those of us who need it find it relatively easy to stick to it. Speaking for myself, I find the first few days difficult, but once I get into the swing of the diet I have no difficulty at all sticking to it. What does tend to derail me -- and in fact derailed me for the past year while I gained 40 lbs. -- is not problems with the food choices but life circumstances. I get stressed out, and shopping for healthy food and cooking it is just too much trouble. But that would happen with any diet.

The sad irony is that I feel so much better on Atkins that I can deal with the stress better, but once I go off the wagon I can't see that. Carbohydrates are an addiction, make no mistake about it.

Patrick

(p.s. There's a great section on Robert Lustig's video -- "Sugar: The Bitter Truth" -- find it on YouTube -- where he compares the metabolic pathways of sugar to ethanol and shows how they are exactly the same.)
amphigory

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Posted: 02 Feb 2011, 13:21
kstubblefield wrote:
Not to condone or persecute any type of diet, but I'll say that I didn't think low-carb dieting was realistic to sustain until I tried it. No, I am not following Atkins which begins at a much lower carb level than I am at currently, but I am definitely leaning heavily on the Atkins community here for ideas & tips.


Actually, you probably aren't too far from at least one version of Atkins. In the 2009 version ("A New Atkins for a New You" ) they allow you to start at any phase of the diet you want to. So, you can start at Ongoing Weight Loss if you want to. Net effect is that, if you are selecting how many carbs to eat based on whether you are still losing weight at that level of carbs, you're kind of "doing Atkins."

For what it's worth, I really like NAFANY (the 2009 edition of Atkins.) I think it greatly simplifies things, and there are some good tips not found in DANDR. I highly recommend that anyone who's serious about the Atkins lifestyle read both books (as well as Dr Atkins Diabetes Revolution if you're a diabetic.)

Patrick



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