Impatience and losing weight

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rjenkins27

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Posted: 26 Aug 2010, 12:53
So many people (myself included in the early days) are in such a rush to lose weight at any cost that I fear they are doing damage to their physical and mental health.

Why the rush? Given all of the medical advice concerning rapid weight loss, the long-term damage it can do, and the fact that it is harder to maintain than slow, gradual loss, it doesn't make sense to get fixated on losing weight to the point that is becomes all-consuming.

It has been said many times that the most successful weight loss comes about by a lifestyle change that is sustainable.

An all-or-nothing mentality does not serve us in this endeavor. Is it better to lose 1 pound per week vs. gaining 1 pound per week by giving up because "it's too hard" or "I'm not getting the results I think I should be getting".

Is it better to lose 1 pound per month vs. gaining 1 pound per week? How about losing 1 pound per year? What about gaining one pound per year vs. 10 pounds?

My point is that if we can bring ourselves to look at the bigger picture relating to health, with weight being one factor, it puts things in perspective.

Health should be our primary concern. Being at a healthy weight is a major factor in this, but a number on a scale certainly doesn't tell the whole story.



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trtltat

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Posted: 26 Aug 2010, 13:25
Interesting article...

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=116312
rjenkins27

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Posted: 26 Aug 2010, 14:22


It is interesting, but after reading how the study was conducted, I think the message is that people who are motivated to lose weight (those who followed the diet recommendations) are more apt to lose weight.

Here is what leads me to believe this:

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The results shouldn't be interpreted to mean that crash diets work, said study author Lisa Nackers, a doctoral student in clinical psychology at the University of Florida, Gainesville. Her report is published online in the International Journal of Behavioral Medicine.

Rather, she said, the quicker weight loss of the fast-losing group reflected their commitment to the program, Nackers said. "The fast group attended more sessions [to talk about weight loss], completed more food records and ate fewer calories than the slow group."


In a way, what may have occurred is the exact opposite of what the title "Quick Weight Loss May Be Best for Long-Term Success"

Those who failed at the plan to lose the 1 pound per week did worse overall. Perhaps 1 pound per week was too quick for them to make the changes necessary to succeed.

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trtltat

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Posted: 27 Aug 2010, 03:08
Just noting that some people, like myself, may get more encouragement (aka:motivation) and stick with it when they see intant results. I guarantee if I hadn't seen results in the first two weeks I would have caved by now. Everyone has different motivations but who are we to knock what works for them, or how fast or slow the result is? I personally just thought it was an interesting article.
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Posted: 27 Aug 2010, 05:40
Only problem I see with fad diets is that when you go off the diet you gain weight back. Be changing the eating habits and eating say healthier you are more apt to keep the weight off because it becomes a life style change. Usually the weight loss here is slower but consistent and can be increased or decreased by the amount of exercise we do. Face it. We leave a very sedentary life style now days. The one thing people forget is the weight didn't go on real fast why expect it to come off fast. I would rather lose weight consistently than see huge or large drops and then plateau and then slowly loose it.
rjenkins27

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Posted: 27 Aug 2010, 07:55
trtltat wrote:
Just noting that some people, like myself, may get more encouragement (aka:motivation) and stick with it when they see intant results. I guarantee if I hadn't seen results in the first two weeks I would have caved by now. Everyone has different motivations but who are we to knock what works for them, or how fast or slow the result is? I personally just thought it was an interesting article.


I agree that the article was interesting. I am also a very big believer that people need to make the changes necessary that work for them. The only caveat I have is that it is ill advised to make changes that are not sustainable or are detrimental to health.

The reason I posted this is because so many people seem to be in such a hurry to lose weight fast, or get so discouraged if they don't lose weight at the rate they think is acceptable. I was trying to show how important and powerful putting our health goals in perspective can be.

I thank you for the article. I love reading anything I can about scientific studies related to health, fitness, and weight loss.

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Posted: 27 Aug 2010, 11:06
Obviously I agree with everything you say, rjenkins. Well maybe not politics-wise, but weight-wise, for sure!

I think the thing is, most of us have been that impatient person in the past even if we aren't that person now. And most of us have lost the weight only to gain it back as well. At some point in life, some of us realize that there's a correlation between fad/crash diets and weight re-gain. And at some point, we gain the maturity to realize that a quick fix isn't very useful if it isn't permanent. One of the things I said to myself at the beginning of this journey was that I didn't care how long it took as long as I never gain the weight back.

I have to wonder about people who say "if the scale doesn't move immediately, I will give up." I wonder, what is going to keep that person motivated AFTER all the weight comes off? Because weight doesn't just keep itself off. With the scale no longer going down, the motivation must come from inside. And how can you give up on yourself? I guess I just really see it differently than some at this point. There's no giving up.

But whatever floats your boat! I'm sure there are many people here who will never reach their goals and many who will reach them and gain it back, possibly several times. That's life. Maybe we all have to go through that pain a few times before the lesson sinks in. Sometimes I want to try to help people avoid making the same mistakes I made, save them the years of disappointment. But for the most part it's impossible. Everyone has to get where they are going by their own life path.
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Posted: 27 Aug 2010, 11:15
rjenkins27 wrote:


Health should be our primary concern. Being at a healthy weight is a major factor in this, but a number on a scale certainly doesn't tell the whole story.





Hear, hear!


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Posted: 27 Aug 2010, 11:23
I think that's the hardest thing to learn, that this journey is about becoming a healthier person, and not just about the # on the scale.

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Posted: 27 Aug 2010, 11:39
Well I feel really qualified to give my opinion on this topic. I am in this for the long haul, I am making changes in my life to be more healthy. I know it wont be fast.. it took me 15 years or more to get this big.. I dont expect to wake up tomorrow and be thin, or even in 6 months.. I have been at this actively since Jan 09 and I have lost nearly 60 lbs.. so I feel I have staying power and dedication to my new way of life.. did I mention I also gave up smoking? anyway.. I know when few weeks go by that I dont lose weight or god forbid the scale goes up.. I am mega bummed.. I dont need to be put on any 24 hour watch or anything but I am for sure let down. So that part of the struggle I totally get. I will admit I do chuckle to myself when I see the post saying I have been at this for 5 minutes and no loss yet!!! clearly an exaggeration.. but you get my point. SO yeah I understand the feeling of desperation from time to time and I also get the "oh those silly people what are they thinking? You need to give your new life style more than X days" Cause I have been in both places many times and I would guess that I will be there again many times. In summation being fat, overweight, plump, chubby (whatever adjective you choose) stinks.. getting healthy is not easy it is tough out there. I just try and offer support and what I think is good advice when I can and hope for the best for everyone.

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Posted: 27 Aug 2010, 11:52
Bravo, Ceebee!

60 lbs is life changing!


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Ceebee

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Posted: 27 Aug 2010, 12:17
heh.. it is too bad that smoking does not work for me like food does.. I can have a little unhealthy food from time to time to "scratch that itch" but for the love of all that is holy.. not a day goes by that I dont think about buying a pack of smokes just lighting one right off the end of the other!! And I know one smoke here will turn into 2 then 7 then a pack a week.. then 2 packs a week then a half pack a day... I will be back to trying to hide from my kids while I smoke so that they dont see mama and her dirty filthy habit.. like it is crack or something.. did I mention that I miss my smokie treats? YAY HEALTHY ME Razz but I digress. Smile

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Posted: 27 Aug 2010, 12:29
I agree with CeeBee, 100%. I have been in this boat before, as well. About two years ago, all of my friends started doing weight watchers, I was about 178 lbs at the time and decided, why the heck not do it too?

I didn't last but two weeks, I saw little to no results, and decided that I wasn't neccessarily unhappy with myself, yeh I was chubby, but I wasn't sad or hating my body. But if I had seen results in that time, I may have stuck with it and started my journey earlier.

This is the way I see it, whatever gets you there, gets you there. 18 months later, I got on the scale and it said 198. That was a wake up call for me. And if in the beginning I didn't see that 3lb drop a week, I might not be here right now, and having lost 65lbs. And I did it healthily. Maybe not the way some people choose, but a way others might chose. At this point, it ends up being about 1.5 lbs a week, which is totally awesome (and I wish it would come back, because getting down to goal has certainly slowed up.)

I don't PERSONALLY think that gaining it back has to do with how you lost it. It has to do with more of your mindset. There is no knowing for 100% certainty that someone will never gain the weight back. I certainly didn't want to get fat, but I managed to do that. I certainly don't want to gain it all back, and who knows. I'm not planning on it, but my mindset might change someday down the road.

It comes down to this, for me, if you want to lose it, you'll lose it. If you want to keep it off, you'll keep it off. It's all about wanting the right things and have the commitment and preserverance to stick to it!
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rjenkins27

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Posted: 27 Aug 2010, 12:58
alllicat wrote:


I didn't last but two weeks, I saw little to no results, and decided that I wasn't neccessarily unhappy with myself, yeh I was chubby, but I wasn't sad or hating my body. But if I had seen results in that time, I may have stuck with it and started my journey earlier.



I see no problem with this thinking. It is reinforced by the article listed above and there is another study that also supports the "early progress = more success".

My thinking is that had you gone into the challenge with the knowledge that it may take a while, you may have seen results after 4 weeks that may have kept you going.

One of my favorite sayings is "Serenity is inversely proportionate to expectations." All this means is that the lower our expectations, the less disappointed we will be.

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Posted: 27 Aug 2010, 14:16
rjenkins27, I couldn't agree with you more!

In Apr. I walked about 2mi. per day, made better food and beverage choices, and in over a month, not one stinking ounce!!! I was discouraged, but I kept walking. When hubby got a job, it took away my time and I got out of the habit, but I have been walking again for over a month again now and I am down 11lbs since becoming a fs member, and about 13lbs since April.

While it's highly motivating when the dial on the scale shows even a pound of difference, if it doesn't move, I look for the changes. In my ability to walk pain free in 15min faster time, ettc. I'm focusing more on my healthy, stamina and energy rather than numbers.

Not that I'm not watching the scale, I am guilty. In fact I posted in my group about not showing results because I am retaining so much water this mo.

We all want to see the numbers go down every time. The truth is, it's not going to move the way we want every time. Between plateaus, water weight, gaining muscle/losing fat, and all the other changes, it's impossible. The trick is to find the other changes, or another way to look at the whole picture.

If you're only losing weight to get skinny and weigh a certain amount, you'll not succeed forever. If you're looking for a whole new life, and making the changes you can stick with and be happy with for the rest of your life, then that's the way to really succeed, no matter how long it takes.
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Posted: 27 Aug 2010, 15:12
Ceebee - "I've been at this for 5 minutes and no loss yet" CRACKED me up!!! I've been so close to being there! However, I'm more proud having lost 17 pounds from my all time high as of May 24, 2010, because I know that it is a REAL loss, and not some quick water loss, non-sustainable thing. This is a life-style not some quick magic pill pseudo-fix. rjenkins, thanks for starting this thread!



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