Clothes size vs. actual size

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rjenkins27

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Posted: 14 Aug 2010, 12:31
I have always known that clothing manufacturers have found that if they reduce the stated size of clothing for women, there are those who are susceptible to marketing gimmicks who will purchase the smaller listed size rather than something they would prefer that has the correct size.

Since this was successful, many more manufacturers have had to follow up by lowering their listed size.

I thought this was limited to women's fashions.

I recently purchased a pair of shorts with a 33" waist. They fit comfortably because all of the 34"s I've purchased recently are a little loose.

Recently, I've measured my waist and it is actually 36". Apparently all clothing manufacturer's are using this gimmick to lure shoppers.

On a side note, I've never understood sizing for women. What the hell is a "10" vs. a "12". At least us men have waist and length to go by for pants and small, medium, large, xl, xl tall etc. for shirts.

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Posted: 14 Aug 2010, 12:38
I love 00 which is less than 0... bloody insanity. I can't believe women put up with that crap. Razz
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Posted: 14 Aug 2010, 12:39
What an interesting topic...I have thought for quite some time that there is absolutely no standard in place for women's sizing. I've had to shop plus size since my early 20s & it seems just in the past 5 yrs or so I can't trust any of the sizing on anything I buy. Granted, I did pick up quite a bit of weight in that time, but for example, I couldn't just go & buy everything I saw in a 2X & expect it to fit. About half the time I'd have to go up to 3X, depending on the manufacturer. I have a couple of 3X tops that are truly probably 2X...maybe even XL. I bought them on clearance when I was wearing 3X without trying them on & found out they were too small...now they are my goal shirts. So with so much variation in women's sizing, I really have no idea what size I am now.

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Posted: 14 Aug 2010, 12:58
That's pretty ridiculous that it's crossed over into men's clothing size. I have 3 nephews, a brother & a guy best friend so I've spent alot of time looking at guy's clothing & sizes. I was always jealous of the fact that if went off your actual measurements. Esp when it comes to length b/c as a women we get 3 choices IF we are lucky: petite, average & tall. I love how those 3 lengths are supposed to encompass our various heights.

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Posted: 14 Aug 2010, 13:45
If womens clothing sizes made sense, there would be a waist and hip measurement at the least. Personally, I would also like a thigh measurement. Tops would have a chest and waist size at the least.

Thank god for stretchy denim or I would never find jeans that fit.

Rjenkins are you telling me you actually wear your pants at the waist? You must be thin indeed! Most men these days tend to wear their pants the hip, under the belly Wink. I'm sure I've seen plenty of 34" pants on 38" waists.
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Posted: 14 Aug 2010, 13:53
k8yk wrote:
I'm sure I've seen plenty of 34" pants on 38" waists.


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Posted: 14 Aug 2010, 14:24
I used to work in the fashion industry in New York and I know full well what everyone's talking about. Vanity sizing is alive and well, and most high end manufacturers practice it. Which is why you wear a smaller size in most American high-end designers, but more affordable clothing usually doesn't practice vanity sizing so you would tend to need a bigger size. Most European and Asian designer clothing tends to run small - they don't go in for vanity sizing. So you could wear a 12 in a Japanese designer, an 8 in a Ralph Lauren, and a 10 in a dress you bought from J.C. Penney. Also, the average fit model is a "perfect" size 8 - 5'6 1/2" to 5'8" tall, 37 inch bust, 27 inch waist and 37 inch hips - that's the size they make their patterns from. In women's it is extra hard to find a length that fits you, because the average woman is 5'4" and pants are sized to fit a fit model that is 5'7". It also explains why tall women have trouble finding pants that are long enough, because pants are based on that 5'7" fit model. Jeans are the worst - they are all over the place. Most women hate shopping for swimsuits and jeans. Manufacturers also don't account for people who are short waisted or long waisted. Clothes can be such a hassle!
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Posted: 14 Aug 2010, 14:51
I hate shopping and I always have, possibly because when I was a child, my mother dragged me into every store and boutique for hours at a time, and even lost me a few times because she was so focused on buying clothes.

Anyway!

Vanity sizing makes shopping frustrating. I like to go in, grab what I need, and get out. Unfortunately, you can't get away without trying things on. Actually, when I find a particular brand of pants I like, for instance, I'll usually buy multiples just to cut down on the shopping. Wink


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Posted: 14 Aug 2010, 14:57
I just bought 3 pairs of jeans, in the same store, same brand but not one of them are the same size!!! One is size 1, the other is size 5 and the third is size 7. Can you beleive it!!!!
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Posted: 14 Aug 2010, 15:09
I measured myself (around waist, thighs, arms etc) and keep a measuring tape in my purse. I measure the clothes to see if the leg or waist will fit before I even take them to the fitting room. I HATE trying on clothes and this weeds out alot. When I wore a 20, the size was important. It upset me to see the size I was in. Now I know that the size really doesn't mean a thing. I can wear a 10 to a 16 depending on the cut and make.


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Posted: 14 Aug 2010, 15:25
I'm getting pretty good at telling what's going to fit by looking at it and holding it up to my body. Took some practice, but luckily I LOVE clothes shopping! (now)
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Posted: 14 Aug 2010, 15:53
I have had to shop at the Big and Tall stores since I was in High School for the TALL part. Let me make a couple observations here. When they say Big and Tall that's what they mean. It's generally not Big or Tall. I have a 38" waist and a 37" inseam so I usually have to order my trousers because at Big and Tall stores if you have a 37" inseam they think you have to have a 52" waist! I also wear them at my actual waist again, thank goodness. They also tell you right up front that their sizes are larger than regular sizes i.e. a Large at a Big and Tall is an Extra Large in a regular store. Like Matt55, I have observed that it usually depends more on the cut rather than the brand when it comes to needing different sizes. Loose fit vs straight leg vs boot cut etc... what that has to do with waist I have no idea but the same cut usually fits across brands for me. Very Happy
ellyfranklin

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Posted: 14 Aug 2010, 16:36
Lane Bryant did this too! Last year I went to go buy pants and at 225 pounds I fit into a size 5!

They have recently changed it back. It was stupid and confusing.
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Posted: 14 Aug 2010, 16:59
Ughh clothes sizing.. I used to hate hate hate shopping, and would often leave the dressing room upset, depressed and frustrated. Sometime last year, it clicked to me that not all clothes and styles are going to work, so me not fitting them didnt mean i was a hopeless ugly ogre destined to wear baggy sweatpants and hoodies my whole life, it just meant i had to much of one thing and not enough of something else for the style i was trying, and that its not my fault. That was kind of an ahha moment for me, so shopping is easier, but i still do tend to get pissed off when something that looks gorgeous on the rack looks frumpy on my body. My sister has this gift for finding things that look boring on the rack but amazing on a person. I need that talent! She gets upset though, if she isnt a size thats been predefined in her mind as attractive, but i dont care what the number on it is if it flatters me. Id rather wear a size 14 that fits than a size 10 thats bursting at the seams just so i can say i fit a size 10. And as people have stated in this thread, a size 10 or a size 6 isnt a standard thing anyway, it varies from manufacturer and style anyway, so what does it matter?
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Posted: 14 Aug 2010, 17:25
That reminds me of a bit from a comedian i saw once, who was talking about those roundabout names they give for big & tall. Like casual. And executive cut. Me and my friends always refer to gaining weight as "becoming more casual" Very Happy
rjenkins27

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Posted: 14 Aug 2010, 18:34
k8yk wrote:


Rjenkins are you telling me you actually wear your pants at the waist? You must be thin indeed! Most men these days tend to wear their pants the hip, under the belly Wink. I'm sure I've seen plenty of 34" pants on 38" waists.


I still wear my pants "under the belly", but alas, now I don't have to if I don't want to. My midsection is pretty much 36" all over.

What brought this up was trying to find a good fat % calculator that goes by measurements. I put in my pants size (34"Wink which I thought was my waist size and the fat % seemed low, so I measured instead and found out I actually have a 36" waist.

I have bought about 6 new pair of pants and shorts, and like most guys, I just grab the size and never try them on at the store (really, really hate having to do that). So far every pair of 34" fit and were actually slightly loose.

I still have some 36"'s and every one of them are very loose.

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ritterwoman

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Posted: 14 Aug 2010, 18:36
And why is it that with the plus sized clothes do the tops and blouses stop dead at the waist? I want a blouse or top to cover my stomach not show it off. I was at Walmart last night and they have the just my size line and although they went up to 4 x only 1 top would fit me. I tend to get some of my clothes now at GW Fashions. I found a nice blouse there from Romans someone donated and it fits nicely.
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Posted: 14 Aug 2010, 18:44
this is a hilarious topic...reading FS forum on vacate...can you believe that? must be that good. I agree with all comments above. In the juniors, I can go with a 4...I go into gap and I'm in a 2! and you look at it and it looks like a 4...and I'm thinking somethings wrong here...when I can get into that gap 0 then I'll be an official 2! or better yet designer jeans...now those are beyond real sizes...they're suppose to fit by waist measurement but there's no way those are right because I have a sizes 25, 26, 27 and they all fit the same! and OLD NAVY...i come home with an xs and they turn into a medium by the end of the day with wear...it's like whoa..magical clothes. because of this when i order stuff online i get one in ever size..especially if you don't have to pay for shipping then I return the ones that don't work. it's always good to compare stores and name brand to see what the fit patterns are...then you have an idea of where you're at. they also say if you wrap it around your neck and you like the feel of it then it should be a good fit...so basically if it's pressing on the windpipe it'll probably get lost in the waist.
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Posted: 14 Aug 2010, 18:45
I'm glad that I don't have to go through all that trouble that the women must endure for clothing sizes. I'm finally getting into my old pants and I will not purchase new ones until I get to my goal. I admit that I will be out of style but I don't care about style - It's comfort that I like! No more pinching at the waist, no more struggling to do up the last notch on the belt. I may be somewhat impatient getting to my goal but I surely enjoy the comfort of loose clothing on my way there - especially in the summer heat. Success to all!
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Posted: 14 Aug 2010, 19:06
Lol I was totally thinking the same thing about the pants at the waist!! I was trying to imagine Smile



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