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Shae206

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Posted: 09 Jul 2010, 10:17
I get a lot of hassle from friends and family, about the way I eat and my choices. Here's a little bit about me.
I am a vegetarian.
I will still eat wild caught seafood (sometimes).
I will only drink soy milk, use vegan butter, and eat tillamook cheese (because it is rbST free).
The only thing I haven't switched up is my ice cream, yet.
This is weird to a lot of people. I have found that I get criticized for being a half assed vegetarian, who dabbles in vegan products. I really don't see how its anyones problem what I do or don't eat, but apparently it is. So I am going to share a little bit about why I am the way I am and the method behind my madness. :]

First off, here is a EXTREMELY good article about rbST:Milk and rbST

The dairy industry doesn't want you to know that the hormone rbST has been linked to cancer. See, rbST, recombinant bovine somatotropin (also known as rBGH, recombinant bovine growth hormone), is a hormone given to cows to increase their milk output by 10 to 25 percent. The concern with rbST is that it produces milk with higher-than-normal levels of the insulin-like growth factor IGF-1. Studies have shown that high levels of IGF-1 increases the risk of several cancers, including breast, prostate, and colorectal.

and:Harmful Chemicals in the meat.


I don't eat meat, and I try to avoid dairy as much as possible.
Humans are the only animal on the earth that drink milk past the infant stage.
Coral has a ton of calcium. :] There are other sources.
These are just my opinions. This is really just to share why I eat the way I do. I don't expect anyone to agree and or disagree, but if I share what I have learned through my 13 years of being a vegetarian, maybe I can help someone else. I didn't know these things until they were brought to my attention, and obviously I feel strong enough to live by them Wink

I understand that people eat meat, that doesn't bother me, to eat his own. If I were going to eat meat, I would chose only organic or not at all.
I'm not saying these are the only reasons I avoid meat, obviously its much stronger then just these reasons or I would go and buy an organic steak Wink

Hope you enjoyed the information, or hated it. Smile Either one, I'm just glad you read it.
Have a great day everyone!!!

<3 Shae.

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fawkesmom

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Posted: 12 Jul 2010, 09:28
For some reason people always seem uncomfortable whenever someone doesn't fit neatly into a specific category. For some reason the human race has a compulsion to label things. Good for you for knowing and being true to yourself regardless of what others may think.

I love milk and I don't think I'll ever be able to give it up, but I do make sure to only by hormone and antibiotic free milk.
ctlss

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Posted: 12 Jul 2010, 09:39
Shae, eat what you feel comfortable eating. It really isn't anyone else's business what you eat, how you eat it, or why! In my opinion it's a "nunya" (none o' ya business). lol I think you are just fine in what you eat and why.
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Posted: 12 Jul 2010, 09:44
absolutely correct,Steph!
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k8yk

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Posted: 12 Jul 2010, 09:47
I don't eat meat. It's amazing how much that offends people. I do drink milk and eat eggs, though I buy free range eggs from the farmer's market and attempt to buy organic milk (though I'm skeptical it's as great as the label implies)

I had a lady at work tell me I needed to eat meat or become anemic. Honestly, I agree that meat is a great source of protein, iron, etc. But I don't eat it for moral reasons/because of the way it is produced. But start telling people that and their eyes glaze over. I'd be perfectly happy to never talk about this with my coworkers, but THEY bring it up. And then they don't want to hear it when I start telling them how horrible factory farming is. Sorry lady, you asked! It never ceases to amaze me how people like to comment on what I eat now. Nobody ever commented when I was eating horribly! You see a 300 pound woman eating an extra value meal, you don't dare say anything. You see a 185 pound woman eating a salad and you feel compelled to tell her "you can't live on rabbit food".

Ah well, I suspect it is guilt that they know they should be eating better too and seeing someone else doing it reminds them of their own failings.
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ctlss

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Posted: 12 Jul 2010, 09:55
I just found a farm nearby that has free range eggs, and I buy organic, hormone and antibiotic free, heavy cream for my coffee. I don't drink milk. In the summer I grow most of my own veggies, and can or freeze what we don't eat. I try to buy anything else from the local growers. I don't eat much canned foods, don't eat any transfats, processed flour, or sugar, but I do eat meat, and I like it. I would love to be able to buy from the local farmers but I can't afford a whole cow, pig, or sheep right now, and they really like to sell them whole, on the hoof. I have a neighbor who raises all his cattle, pigs, and sheep grass fed, and free range. Am trying to work out a deal where we can buy our meat from him.
Let us be grateful to people who make us happy, they are the charming gardeners who make our souls blossom.
~Marcel Proust~

The hippopatamus is a vegetarian and looks like a wall. Lions who eat only red meat are sleek and slim. Could it be that human nutritionists are on the wrong track?
~Erma Bombeck~

"Each morning when I open my eyes I say to myself: I, not events, have the power to make me happy or unhappy today. I can choose which it shall be. Yesterday is dead, tomorrow hasn't arrived yet. I have just one day, today, and I'm going to be happy in it. "
~Groucho Marx~


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AliPenland

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Posted: 12 Jul 2010, 09:56
That rSBT is such and issue the Kroger, Starbucks and Walmart have agreed that ALL their milk, not just the organic, but all their milk is hormone free.
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ctlss

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Posted: 12 Jul 2010, 10:02
Thanks for the info Ali!
Let us be grateful to people who make us happy, they are the charming gardeners who make our souls blossom.
~Marcel Proust~

The hippopatamus is a vegetarian and looks like a wall. Lions who eat only red meat are sleek and slim. Could it be that human nutritionists are on the wrong track?
~Erma Bombeck~

"Each morning when I open my eyes I say to myself: I, not events, have the power to make me happy or unhappy today. I can choose which it shall be. Yesterday is dead, tomorrow hasn't arrived yet. I have just one day, today, and I'm going to be happy in it. "
~Groucho Marx~


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AliPenland

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Posted: 12 Jul 2010, 10:05
No prob. Makes me feel better because I can't afford organic. My husband and I go through 2 gallons of skim a week.
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TheChunkyOne

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Posted: 12 Jul 2010, 10:11
I also have chosen to eat a mostly meat free diet, mostly influenced by k8yk (thank you!)
But i think i'm in it for different reasons. I never liked meat. Not chicken, not beef or pork... i dont like the texture. And then i watched this video of how these animals are farmed and it was just awful. I'm eating this crap that i dont even like, and look how they suffer!
I try not to base it on moral reasons, becuase no matter how much meat i DONT eat, the same amount of animals will suffer regardless, and all in all, it just makes me really sad.
So i do still eat meat, on occassion, when i am in the mood. For example, i had a craving for chicken thighs (IF i eat chicken, its dark meat only.) and low and behold, when i tell my husband what i wanted he had to say "what? i thought you werent eating meat??" and just had to give me the 3rd degree about being 'half assed' about it.

But the craving for meat is super rare, so far its happened once since i started this lifestyle.

I went to a birthday party this weekend and when i turned down the BBQ ribs everyone looked at me like i was crazy. lol I ESPECIALLY dont like BBQ. *blech*

I just want everyone to understand that i eat exactly what i want to eat, and it really is nobody else's business. I dont need your commentary on my diet, really.
mrs88

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Posted: 12 Jul 2010, 10:56
I (we as a family) sometimes receive "comment" because we eat wild game meat. My hubby is a big hunter and we eat all that he gets. The big plus for us is that we know all the meat is hormone/chemical free and is extremely lean. I'll admit, it did take a few years to adjust to the 'gamey' taste, but know I rarely notice. A lot of people (who eat beef/pork, etc from stores) say it terrible that we hunt, but you know what, have you ever been to a meat packing plant??? That will change your tune!!

I too am big on making sure the milk is hormone free (Krogers) and a few local brands. It doesn't take a genius to be able to look back in history a see trends that have effected us all.
ctlss

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Posted: 12 Jul 2010, 12:38
Mrs88, if you eat what you hunt, then I have no problem with hunting. I do know people who hunt, kill, and then never eat what they put in the freezer and throw it out the next year to have room for the "new" meat! That is a sin and a shame. And I agree, when you eat what you hunt for, you know exactly what you are getting and it makes you more appreciative of what you are eating. Very Happy
Let us be grateful to people who make us happy, they are the charming gardeners who make our souls blossom.
~Marcel Proust~

The hippopatamus is a vegetarian and looks like a wall. Lions who eat only red meat are sleek and slim. Could it be that human nutritionists are on the wrong track?
~Erma Bombeck~

"Each morning when I open my eyes I say to myself: I, not events, have the power to make me happy or unhappy today. I can choose which it shall be. Yesterday is dead, tomorrow hasn't arrived yet. I have just one day, today, and I'm going to be happy in it. "
~Groucho Marx~


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Shae206

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Posted: 12 Jul 2010, 12:48
Mrs88, that would be the only way I would even eat meat if I had a desire to. :] I think that's great that you watch out for it and keep it out of your families diet, I agree, it really doesn't take a genius to see what's developed over the years :] And I a lot agree ctlss, people who kill and don't eat the meat, its shameful. It is a life. Don't let it go in vain. :] Thanks for your comments! :]

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Shae206

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Posted: 12 Jul 2010, 12:56
k8yk wrote:
I don't eat meat. It's amazing how much that offends people. I do drink milk and eat eggs, though I buy free range eggs from the farmer's market and attempt to buy organic milk (though I'm skeptical it's as great as the label implies)

I had a lady at work tell me I needed to eat meat or become anemic. Honestly, I agree that meat is a great source of protein, iron, etc. But I don't eat it for moral reasons/because of the way it is produced. But start telling people that and their eyes glaze over. I'd be perfectly happy to never talk about this with my coworkers, but THEY bring it up. And then they don't want to hear it when I start telling them how horrible factory farming is. Sorry lady, you asked! It never ceases to amaze me how people like to comment on what I eat now. Nobody ever commented when I was eating horribly! You see a 300 pound woman eating an extra value meal, you don't dare say anything. You see a 185 pound woman eating a salad and you feel compelled to tell her "you can't live on rabbit food".

Ah well, I suspect it is guilt that they know they should be eating better too and seeing someone else doing it reminds them of their own failings.


I have been vegetarian for 12 almost 13 years, and it never stops, it AMAZING how offened people get about it. I'm not telling YOU what to do, you asked me what I do and I was simply explaining!!! It drives me mad. I give up on even explaining it now, If people ask me why, I say cuz I don't like it. And then its always followed by "I would die without me" or "I could NEVER be a vegetarian." Lol What can ya do. Nobody asked ya to Wink

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"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." - Confucius
Shae206

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Posted: 12 Jul 2010, 13:04
TheChunkyOne wrote:
I also have chosen to eat a mostly meat free diet, mostly influenced by k8yk (thank you!)
But i think i'm in it for different reasons. I never liked meat. Not chicken, not beef or pork... i dont like the texture. And then i watched this video of how these animals are farmed and it was just awful. I'm eating this crap that i dont even like, and look how they suffer!
I try not to base it on moral reasons, becuase no matter how much meat i DONT eat, the same amount of animals will suffer regardless, and all in all, it just makes me really sad.
So i do still eat meat, on occassion, when i am in the mood. For example, i had a craving for chicken thighs (IF i eat chicken, its dark meat only.) and low and behold, when i tell my husband what i wanted he had to say "what? i thought you werent eating meat??" and just had to give me the 3rd degree about being 'half assed' about it.

But the craving for meat is super rare, so far its happened once since i started this lifestyle.

I went to a birthday party this weekend and when i turned down the BBQ ribs everyone looked at me like i was crazy. lol I ESPECIALLY dont like BBQ. *blech*

I just want everyone to understand that i eat exactly what i want to eat, and it really is nobody else's business. I dont need your commentary on my diet, really.


I understand completely :] I don't eat meat because of moral issues as well. Actually the reason I first became a vegetarian is because I had watched a slaughter video about chickens and turkeys when I was 12 years old, in my bedroom on public television, ballin my eyes out, and I recorded it on a VHS so I could remind myself what I was eating. I felt terrible. My family thought I was just following "the trend" and tried to write it off. The next day my mom took us to Mcdonalds (which I also haven't touched in 5 years.) And bought me a chicken sandwhich and I ate about 3 bites and I felt like puking. And I knew my body had made up its mind, and so had I. That was the last time I have eaten meat. :] all these other reasons just makes it stronger! Cheers!

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Canajun

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Posted: 12 Jul 2010, 13:08
It's just like so many other things, people judge what they aren't informed about. I think, too, that many people embark on a vegetarian or vegan lifestyle but haven't necessarily researched how to fulfil their nutritional needs, which breeds more scepticism from the casual observer.

For instance, a few years ago I read that you can form complete proteins with the right combination of grains and vegetables. Something about eating the right mix of amino acids. This achieves the same nutritional goal as meat. Pretty cool!



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k8yk

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Posted: 12 Jul 2010, 13:52
Totally true, Canajun. When I first went Vegetarian when I was 13, I just ate what I had been eating, minus the meat. I gained a lot of weight during this time. If I went out to eat with friends, I'd end up eating just fries, or a grilled cheese or whatever. I'm sure I got very little protein.

Now I am much more educated about nutrition, and you are correct there is protein in grains and vegetables (and nuts and beans especially) and there are different branch-chain amino acids in different vegan foods. A vegan diet needs to be full of variety to ensure complete protein. But there are certain foods with complete proteins that are vegetarian as well (especially if you still eat dairy). It's all about learning the nutritional composition of everything, not just skipping the meat. It takes a bit of effort, but is doable. Same with low carb diets- it isn't just about stopping eating carbs altogether, it's about educating yourself about the different types of carbohydrates. I totally agree that many people jump into different diets head first without completely understanding what they are doing. Doing this can cause nutritional deficiency regardless of what kind of diet it is.
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Shae206

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Posted: 12 Jul 2010, 13:54
I agree, a lot of people (such as myself) decide to be a vegetarian and don't understand how to meet all their nutritional needs to do so, since growing up my parents never reallt fed us well, when I decided at 13 to be a vegetarian, all I knew is that I didn't eat meat, and I didn't like vegetables (lookin back I don't think it was something. That I could of changed right way, unfortunatly I didn't like them because they we vegetables, I hated things I had not even tried, that turn out to be some of my favorite foods.) So pretty much I became what I deam a "Carbatarian" and ate A LOTof minute rice, butter, bread, potatos, ect ect and in return I began gaining weight, at an alarming rate actually. Since I was cooking for myself, no one told me I could or couldn't eat anything, and in return, I over ate everyday, multipule times a day. Its not until maybe the last 5 years and reaching 425 pounds my senior year of high school 5 years ago that I started thinking, I need to change this, this is crazy... in the last 5 years I have learned so much about food and what to eat and not to eat so much of, I just never practiced it. Its like when your a smoker and someone you love gets cancer, and you know you should quit but you don't, because you don't really want to quit. That's how weight lose has always been for me. Then one day I decided, I would love to enjoy a normal healthy life much more than I would an overweight, swollen ankle, back pain, hip pain, uncomfortable one. I wasn't living anymore, I hadn't been for a long time, I had just been exsisting.... Sorry that ended up being so long LOL Point was, I agree, there are ways, we just have to figure them out. :] WHEW!!

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Shae206

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Posted: 12 Jul 2010, 13:56
WOW Kate!! It is freaky how close your story is to mine LOL! Same age and everything!! ;] I am hopeing for my outcome to be like yours as well :]

"Most of the shadows of this life are caused by our standing in our own sunshine." -Ralph Waldo Emerson

"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." - Confucius
Runesinger

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Posted: 12 Jul 2010, 13:59
If you can't give up ice cream, the ice cream produced locally in Washington State, such as Umpqua dairy or Snoqualmie should be RBst free. I believe use of RBst is illegal in Washington State.



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