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claireye

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Posted: 28 Jun 2010, 10:14
Hi, Just had a bit of a Eureka moment. I realise that my weight loss may have stalled because I've been eating too much fat, from cheese, cream and oily fish. Oily fish is loaded with fat! So, someone on the Atkins Facebook page recommended this:

you should be in the 1500-1800 calorie range with 60-70% of those calories from fat, 20-30% from protein, and the rest from carbs

I'm going to try and stick to that, which is so easy to trace on here.

Good luck everyone. This is my third week and have lost 7lbs.
Carianne

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Posted: 28 Jun 2010, 10:16
Yup, yup I agree! Smile It works wonders this way...I stick to my carbs being wholly from veggies and opt for lean proteins and I think the limit if 4oz a cheese a day.

Best of luck!
rjenkins27

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Posted: 28 Jun 2010, 13:15
A question from a non-adkins: If you have to keep calories within a specific range to lose weight, and assuming the range constitutes a calorie deficit, why does it matter what you eat?

Don't get me wrong, I see nothing inherently wrong with Adkins, provided it is a way of eating that the individual can live with forever. If someone craves carbs, it probably won't work long-term.

I'm actually leaning more toward higher protein/fat instead of carbs (other than vegetables) anyway because it seems like a healthier way for me to eat and I don't particularly crave carbs.


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kokusho

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Posted: 28 Jun 2010, 13:23
I think carbs are misunderstood. Simple carbs like sugars are bad for you but complex carbohydrates found in peas and brown rice are really good for you. Your body has to spend energy to break them down and they are great for your metabolism. I think low carb diets are great for quick temporary weight loss. So, if you want to fit in a particular dress or look better for a high school reunion in a few months, it's great because you can lose so much weight so quickly. I wouldn't expect to keep that weight off though. Starving your body of necessary carbs can be dangerous, or at least so I thought (correct me if I'm wrong here). Eventually, your metabolism will slow down and counteract any of the effects of a low carb diet. And when you go back to eating carbs, you just balloon up and you're almost right back to where you started. I'm not a fan of any diet in which you deny your body necessary nutrients. Just search to find what foods have complex carbohydrates and stick to those while staying away from simple carbs.
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msamy034

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Posted: 28 Jun 2010, 13:26
I do follow atkins and am confused at times about the whole calorie business. I followed the plan (obviously not all the way or I would not be here again) about 7 years ago and lost 42 pounds. I never once counted calories-all I ever counted was the carbs. Now, my second time around, there is a lot of talk about my calories neededing to be between 1500-1800.

Don't know when that changed-maybe with the new book? I have all of the Atkins books that were written by Dr. Atkins-maybe this would be a good time for me to reveiw all of them to see what the standard is supposed to be Smile
healsdata

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Posted: 28 Jun 2010, 13:33
rjenkins27 wrote:
A question from a non-adkins: If you have to keep calories within a specific range to lose weight, and assuming the range constitutes a calorie deficit, why does it matter what you eat?


First - I never understood why people typo Atkins as adkins. Is this a joke/insult I'm not aware of?

Second - This post can explain it far better than I ever could: Low-carb and calories

Third - Aside from weight loss, low carbers also believe that carbs have other detrimental effects on the body. These come in the form of the diseases of civilization (diabetes, cancer, heart disease, etc.) which often effect skinny people as well as the obese.

In summary, low carb isn't just about losing weight via a calorie deficit. It's about choosing the right fuel for our bodies which, in turn, happens to have a side effect of weight loss.

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"There's no doubt that the Atkins diet will lower your cholesterol, weight and blood pressure and get rid of your diabetes, but then what?" asked Dr. Robert Rosati, the cardiologist who runs The Rice Diet Program Clinic, granddaddy of Durham's diet centers.

I guess there's really no pleasing some people. Laughing (Source: http://bit.ly/ekORk0)
healsdata

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Posted: 28 Jun 2010, 13:36
kokusho wrote:
Starving your body of necessary carbs can be dangerous, or at least so I thought (correct me if I'm wrong here).

Dietary carbohydrates are the only non-essential macro-nutrient. You will die if you don't eat fat or protein but your body will happily manufacture any carbohydrates you need.

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"There's no doubt that the Atkins diet will lower your cholesterol, weight and blood pressure and get rid of your diabetes, but then what?" asked Dr. Robert Rosati, the cardiologist who runs The Rice Diet Program Clinic, granddaddy of Durham's diet centers.

I guess there's really no pleasing some people. Laughing (Source: http://bit.ly/ekORk0)
kieshart

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Posted: 28 Jun 2010, 13:46
I don't count calories but I am conscious of how much I eat as I am not as hungry since starting this diet. Of course, I had to get through those first 3 days, but I feel great and often have to remind myself to eat. I am always thirsty and seldom hungry. I never feel super full like I used to, but I never feel super hungry like I used to either. This is my second time around and I lost 80 pounds the first time. I only eat lean meats and my carbs are completely veggie based. Small amounts of cheese and ABSOLUTELY NO ATKINS BARS, DRINKS OR OTHER SUPPLEMENTS! I do drink Metamucil sugar free every morning to assist my veggies and add more fiber. Maybe this next statement will make Atkins folks hate me, but I eat 2 servings of watermelon with a bottle of water in the morning and 2 before bed to ward off hunger.
Kiesha,
Eat Atkins and look good clothed.
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DeniseTra

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Posted: 28 Jun 2010, 13:46
You only have 1 day available to view..but I'd say rather than focus on the fat, here are more important things to focus on.

1) Cheese...you are limited to 4oz per day, because cheese DOES stall some people
2) I've never heard of "pea shoots", but the only peas on the allowable food list (for induction) are snow peas.
3) Atkins bars/shakes DO stall some people.
Start by reducing the cheese.
rjenkins27

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Posted: 28 Jun 2010, 13:47
Nothing intended by the typo. Thanks for the correction.

The reason I asked my question is that I always believed that Atkins was different in that there was no need to count calories. For those of us who prefer protein/fat vs. carbs, it sounded too good to be true.

Like I said, I see nothing wrong with Atkins, provided it is a lifestyle the individual can maintain. I'm actually intrigued by the paleo-eating theory, which is pretty much like Atkins with some modifications.

I guess my point is that for those who crave carbs and find it difficult to not have a diet that is low in carbs, wouldn't it be better if they just counted calories in order to find a way to eat healthy for the long run?


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kieshart

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Posted: 28 Jun 2010, 13:51
Calorie counting NEVER works for me because I ALWAYS begin to overeat the things I like. Easier not to have any than to try to have a limited amount.
Kiesha,
Eat Atkins and look good clothed.
Eat Atkins and exercise and look good naked!
DeniseTra

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Posted: 28 Jun 2010, 13:54
kukusho..you get points for trying to help, but it is obvious you don't know anything about how ALL sugars are an issue for a large percentage of the population. Sugar is NOT necessary (and yes, rice/pasta/bread are sugar, as well as fructose in fruit).

You will gain back your weight on ANY diet where you go back to eating they way you did before, so thats really a non-argument.

As healsdata said, carbs are NOT an essential nutrient, however fiber and vitamins can be an issue on low-carb. That is why it is mandatory to eat 12-15 NET carbs from veggies a day. I think if you do the math, if you are doing low glycemic-load veggies, you have to eat a LOT of veggies to get 15 NET carbs.


DeniseTra

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Posted: 28 Jun 2010, 13:56
msamy..

The only time you need to pay attention to calories is making sure that you get a MINIMUM number (1500) calories. Some people need more, but it is rare to need less.

The issue is that if you don't eat enough, you just won't loose weight...so eat according to plan, keep an eye on, but don't focus on calories...and enjoy loosing weight.
healsdata

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Posted: 28 Jun 2010, 13:56
rjenkins27 wrote:
I guess my point is that for those who crave carbs and find it difficult to not have a diet that is low in carbs, wouldn't it be better if they just counted calories in order to find a way to eat healthy for the long run?


Certainly! As much as we like to focus on the details on this site, and other diet sites, the truth is that ANY diet that focuses on whole foods is a ton better than not eating healthy.

After you switch to whole foods, it's all about finding what works best for you and will, in your opinion, provide best balance between health and enjoyment.

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"There's no doubt that the Atkins diet will lower your cholesterol, weight and blood pressure and get rid of your diabetes, but then what?" asked Dr. Robert Rosati, the cardiologist who runs The Rice Diet Program Clinic, granddaddy of Durham's diet centers.

I guess there's really no pleasing some people. Laughing (Source: http://bit.ly/ekORk0)
msamy034

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Posted: 28 Jun 2010, 13:58
healsdata: thanks for the link-that was good information.
kokusho

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Posted: 28 Jun 2010, 14:19
DeniseTra wrote:
kukusho..you get points for trying to help, but it is obvious you don't know anything about how ALL sugars are an issue for a large percentage of the population. Sugar is NOT necessary (and yes, rice/pasta/bread are sugar, as well as fructose in fruit).

You will gain back your weight on ANY diet where you go back to eating they way you did before, so thats really a non-argument.

As healsdata said, carbs are NOT an essential nutrient, however fiber and vitamins can be an issue on low-carb. That is why it is mandatory to eat 12-15 NET carbs from veggies a day. I think if you do the math, if you are doing low glycemic-load veggies, you have to eat a LOT of veggies to get 15 NET carbs.





Uhhm, my point was that not all carbohydrates are bad. Complex carbohydrates (found in peas, brown rice, etc. as mentioned before) are good for you because they increase your metabolism and help you burn fat, get more from your workouts, and give you more energy for the day. So, why cut them out?

Just because they are not an essential nutrient, doesn't mean they aren't good for you... I guess I just don't like feeling weak and low on energy all the time. I thought that one of the great parts of losing weight was to feel energetic and be able to do things...
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ctlss

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Posted: 28 Jun 2010, 14:22
I think people misunderstand the 1500-1800 calorie range that is stated. The problem with Atkins is that since there is no hunger, people often don't get ENOUGH calories, not too many. If you read Dr. Atkins books, he clearly states that even if you eat 3,000 calories a day you will still lose, which I have seen happen. The reason that they give a caloric amount is so that the people who use Atkins as their "diet" ( and by this I mean the type of fuel that you feed your body, not a weight loss program) tend to forget to eat, since they aren't hungry. The satiety level on Atkins is very high. And healsdata is correct when they state "Aside from weight loss, low carbers also believe that carbs have other detrimental effects on the body. These come in the form of the diseases of civilization (diabetes, cancer, heart disease, etc.) which often effect skinny people as well as the obese.

In summary, low carb isn't just about losing weight via a calorie deficit. It's about choosing the right fuel for our bodies which, in turn, happens to have a side effect of weight loss."

This life style change has done more than help me drop these unwanted pounds. It has alleviated many of my Lupus related health problems. Very Happy
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amanda123

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Posted: 28 Jun 2010, 14:26
kokusho said "I'm not a fan of any diet in which you deny your body necessary nutrients." I have to agree with you here. I would not be a fan of any diet that deprived your body of essential nutrients either. Atkins does not deprive your body of the nutrients it needs. It is very possible to get your essential nutrients from salad, spinach, green beans, broccoli, cauliflower, nuts, and berries and yes, this is eating the Atkins way. I think there are many misconceptions about the Atkins diet. Take me for example.... My average meal used to consist of Fried Chicken, mashed potatoes and corn on the cob. Now I would have grilled chicken, seasoned green beans, and maybe some steamed broccoli, cauliflower, and carrots. I think I am eating much healthier now vs then. Not to mention I have lost 43 pounds in the past 8 weeks and my cholesterol has dropped 47 points.

rjenkins27 you said "I guess my point is that for those who crave carbs and find it difficult to not have a diet that is low in carbs, wouldn't it be better if they just counted calories in order to find a way to eat healthy for the long run?"

Do I like the way carbs such as potatoes and corn and cakes taste? Oh Yes! I do, I do, I do! But.... I don't crave them anymore like I used to. That is what Atkins has done for me. Getting the sugar out of my body has significantly curbed my cravings for starchy/sugary foods. I wish I could count my calories and have a slice of cake or a baked potatoe every now and then but for me if I had that cake or that potatoe I would want it again the next day and the next and I would physically crave it as well. If you have a plan that works for you, whether it's Atkins, South Beach, Weight Watchers, or your own diet and you are losing weight and feel healthy and happy - Good for you! To each his own and I hope everyone finds something that works for them.
DeniseTra

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Posted: 28 Jun 2010, 14:37
kukushu...what you don't understand is that brown rice and peas are NOT healthy for a lot of people, especially when compared with broccoli and green beans. We see this quite clearly when the diabetics in the group monitor their blood sugar. Any kind of rice and peas spike blood-sugar, which causes a spike in insulin, which causes, among other things, water retention, hypertension, diabetes, epileptic seizures, increased triglycerides and many other issues.

Most people find that after 2 weeks on Atkins, their energy levels go up. Those first 2 weeks can be rough though.

Personally, I've lost almost 90#s, but even more importantly, I'm no longer pre-diabetic, my hypertension has gone away, and my total cholesterol has dropped 40 points and my triglycerides have dropped about 50points.

The point is that for some people, a low-fat diet can work. For about 50% of the population though it is a recipe for disaster, even death. I'm not even exaggerating here..the health problems associated with low-fat/low-cholesterol diets are killing us. Low carb is the ONLY thing that can help these people, and there is so much mis-information out there that people are afraid of it.
Carianne

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Posted: 28 Jun 2010, 14:43
Regarding calorie counting and Atkins. NO, there is nothing that states you need to eat a certain number. But, I don't think the idea is a license to eat too much either so I think the calorie intake is a suggestion. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't do well if I eat more than 1500 a day, period. Some may, some may not. I do think it's cructial that you keep that 12-15 carbs from veggies standard. It allows for variety and some fiber in the diet, and yes...you've got to eat a lot of them but it can be done. If you study the Atkins Phase I, Induction, allowed foods list it's very direct. If you stick to the list and do a bit of math you will get into the groove of it and it will be easy.

As far as craving carbs, yep some do. A lot of us crave cheesecake too but that doesn't mean we should have it. There is a bit of sacrifice to eat healthy foods. I was a vegetarian for ten years and found I wanted a juicy steak now and then...but I just didn't cheat that way.

My mother was a nurse and my fiance is a doctor, and both of them believe strongly in the no white flour and no white sugar lifestyle. It can be done, nothing in our bodies is born "needing" pizza but yes, we love the stuff (or whatever you crave). My dog likes chocolate but he can't have it...it's just life.

I'm not trying to sound too direct, it's just a lot of what I am seeing here gets my attention. Atkins as a concept is not unique, as I said, my mom's favorite way to diet was to cut out bread and sugar and that was way before Atkins came around.

I agree with "ctlss" that it is a lifestyle and I am one who has trouble filling in the calories on Atkins...but I love eating this way.
I wish everyone luck.

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