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RKMyers

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Posted: 02 May 2010, 13:33
I think these guys should be applauded for offering such a great tool for FREE. Our frustration should be directed to WW who is unltimately at the core of the change. They certainly are the EVIL EMPIRE when it comes to nutrition and if you think about it the only tools you get from them is what you pay for. They and their attorneys have systematically eliminated every small group online offering tools and support that in any way eludes to their system. If Fatsecret was smart they would create a DCV (Daily Caloric Value) number or other accronym, change the scale, explain the number and scale to us it and provide the tool online and mobile. Frustrated? Use your dollar vote and boycott all WW foods, programs, products, etc!!! Because of this I will be.
sooki

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Posted: 02 May 2010, 13:42
Well, WW is not an evil empire. They're a company that created an innovative method for counting calories/fat/fiber and would like to keep making money off that method. That's not evil. That's capitalism.

I'm ok with your boycott, though. I like WW and all, but if I can't lose weight on my own, I can't keep it off. It's not worth the hassle of converting calories to points as far as I'm concerned.
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k8yk

Joined: Jan 09
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Posted: 02 May 2010, 13:45
Yes I find it ironic that people are making lists of other websites that offer free WW points tracking.

I'm sure WW appreciates you rounding up the sites that are stealing from them so they can have them shut down as well.

The reality is, WW is a business just like any other, and their shareholders what to make the most profit. That's capitalism. Any other business would be just as vigilant about making sure people pay for its products.

And the other reality is, if you want to be on a high fiber, low fat diet, you can do that without any points. It will just take a little more self-education, but once you know and understand which foods are high fiber and low fat, no one will ever be able to take that knowledge away from you, and you will be able to choose healthy foods yourself without thinking about numbers at all Smile
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rjenkins27

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Posted: 02 May 2010, 14:25
If I was FS, I would create a system that would allow users to put in their own point system. If it only allowed users to mimic WW points, they would probably have an issue. If they created one that allowed people to be very flexible as to how they calculated their personal "points", they would probably be ok. By ok, I mean they would still get sued, but they would probably prevail. I imagine WW has tons of money to throw at something like this though.

My points would not be anything like WW. Fiber is important, but I don't think increased fiber would alleviate my calorie goals. I would be more interested in having points based on total carb, fat, protein content of an entire meal as a percentage of total calories. The higher the protein, the lower the point value. Conversely, the higher the fat/carbs, the higher the points.

This would allow me to consume more calories, provided they were protein based. Less calories for fat/carbs. Fiber content wouldn't even be factored in, which is the primary difference with WW points and calorie counting.

My current point system is 1 point per calorie. I try to stay within 1600-1800 "points".

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twoslow

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Posted: 02 May 2010, 14:33
Should FS have to remove all reference to all the different diet plans? Perhaps my profile should not allow me to show that I am following WW or South Beach or any plan... I am going to suggest that FS allow an area for manual tracking of pts so that I can enter it myself when I enter my daily foods... it would be similar to me tracking it on a spreadsheet... they can call it a comment column or something similar...This is still an awesome site.. and I will support it...
"you must always remember. you are braver than you believe, stronger than you seem, and smarter than you think." Winnie the Pooh


Rettc

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Posted: 02 May 2010, 15:20
I knew it was to good to be continued. Why have something for free when you can pay for it?
RKMyers

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Posted: 03 May 2010, 10:19
Capitalism? There are companies that claim ownership to anything. Yes, maybe even the word "anything". Even the pharmacuetical companies have a limited time to claim a patent and after it expires the forumala goes out for generic production. What if the FDA said, the formula for measuring total fiber grams is the government's? WW would be screwed as it is part of their calculation. Looks like RDI might be a better measurement anyhow but if I was a WW stakeholder, I would want to know how they gaining more users and share by tapping into a secondary market. WW has a generational challenge and the tools FS provides could help WW connect with those users.
CiindeeD

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Posted: 03 May 2010, 11:57
Intellectual property is just that - PROPERTY - it is an actual line item on a company's balance sheet! How would you feel if someone stole your idea and posted it all over the internet for free while you were trying to sell it to recoup your R&D expenses? Just because WW charges for their service does not make them an evil empire - either pay to use their product or use something else that's *LEGITIMATELY* free.
Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts ~ Winston Churchill
k8yk

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Posted: 03 May 2010, 12:10
It's an interesting phenomenon in our society today, don't you think? People expect that things SHOULD be free if they CAN get them for free. Music, movies, games, software, even diet plans apparently! Never mind that all of those things were made by someone expecting to make a profit. Very little in this world is done for free just out of a desire to give it away for the good of humanity. Maybe that's not good, but that's a different argument between Capitalism and Socialism or Communism.

WW holds the patent on their formula, meaning it belongs to them. The WW formula is different than say, grams of fiber. The WW formula is intellectual property, as CiindeeD says.

I'm sure WW would like you all to pay for their proprietary tools, which I hear are not very easy to use, rather than to use this free site. I'm sure that's the motivation behind this. And there's really nothing wrong with it unless you have something against the idea of capitalism.
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k8yk

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Posted: 03 May 2010, 12:13
Even Fatsecret has to make money, and they do so through advertisements. None of this is done through altruism. Much as we like to feel like owners of this site and others, we are not. They could make this a pay site if that's their whim.
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MuffinTop40

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Posted: 03 May 2010, 13:04
The only thing about WW that ticks me off is that essentially I am not using the FS points for free. I am a paid member of WW and go to weekly meetings. I don't think I should have to pay extra money to use their on-line tools. In addition to the $149.00 I paid for a 6 week memebership (and it is worth the money to me...) if I want to track points on line - I have to pay extra for that. That is a rip off and why I am sad that FS can no longer post the points!
Ms140

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Posted: 03 May 2010, 14:40
I also noticed over weekend that WW was promoting their online memberships. I had never seen that before until thiss occurred with FS.
PhenomenalTL...

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Posted: 03 May 2010, 14:45
This site is great. I've already gotten 2 friends signed up and hope to have several more join. I'd like to thank the folks who run this place!
lilrunner

Joined: Apr 10
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Posted: 03 May 2010, 16:44
Never done weight watchers myself but currently a member of tops (Take Off Pounds Sensibly). Dues are about $25 a year and a couple of dollars per meeting (depending on your local chapter). They are a non-for-profit organization not out for the money so it wont break the bank, but the main difference is they offer support and not a diet program. The work with your Dr. , nutritionist or other program (spark, fatsecret, etc) and help by sharing tips of what works what does not.

Our typical meetings are usually (last about 45min to an hour):
- Sign-in, pickup card pay any dues owed
- Weigh in (don't be afraid, its in private usually witnessed by the leader or recorder) recorded on your card
- Opening pledge
- Round table did you gain or loose (simply say if you gained or lost this week or elaborate if you wish).
- Meeting topic (varies by week for our group) anything from health recipes to new diet studies.
- Closing pledge

New members are always encouraged to join and can stop by a meeting to see what it is like an if it will work for you. You can see if there is a meeting in your area by going to their Chapter Locator on their site.
stacecom

Joined: Dec 09
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Posted: 05 May 2010, 13:49
Question. Has FatSecret said that WW made them take the points off? Everything I read from them says that it's a choice *they* made so as not to show favortism.

And K8yk, I'm a paying WW member. I just liked using this site to track my points. WW is more than just the points. This site is just a convenient way for me to journal, especially with the barcode scanner on my phone. Not everyone is "stealing".



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