Anyone doing the HCG Diet?

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deanplays

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Posted: 17 Apr 2010, 19:48
Hello Fellow Friends,

Has anyone been doing, or tried the HCG Simeons Diet? Smile




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Star_Glow

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Posted: 18 Apr 2010, 10:32
There are a few of us here either doing injections, sublingual, or homeopathic...This is the HCG group forum:
http://fatsecret.com/groups/hcg-protocol/Home.aspx
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Links about HCG and the diet protocol (even the research studies)have been banned by k8 and FS.

So that I don't run afoul of the terms and conditions or the mean girls I will not be posting any further in the public forums. However, since several people have asked me to once again make my profile public I am doing that. Contrary to what others have said I am a real dieter and came on this site to track my weight, calories, and types of food. If I was a scammer I would certainly post better results than I have had. However with my hypoglycemia, insulin resistance and what I believe was the beginning of possible metabolic disorder I have done much better than I have ever done on any other diet. My blood tests for sugar, cholesterol, triglycerides, and others have made a HUGE improvement since I started the protocol and I have NOT lost any muscle mass - only FAT!

My original weight before starting the protocol was 195 lbs. I joined fatsecret to track my calories while in my first maintenance phase after getting rid of 27 pounds. I also went off protocol for a short while so my starting fatsecret weight ticker shows as 166. I am currently in my third round of phase 2 weight loss and am very happy with my results. My plan is that once I reach my goal weight to continue posting my weight once a month for at least a year to let everyone know how I am maintaining.

In the past I recommended a particular homeopathic HCG product (which I still would recommend) that is helping me but whatever method of weight loss you choose to use and that you find effective I applaud you for your commitment to weight loss and health and wish you good luck in getting rid of any extra weight.

In other words I will no longer be feeding the TROLLS.
clippedinMOM

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Posted: 18 Apr 2010, 17:55
Good luck and feel free to post questions, comments, recipes, ideas or whatever. We all learn from each other on this journey!
New Year - New ME - Doing it with HCG!
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k8yk

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Posted: 18 Apr 2010, 18:53
I feel compelled to mention that this is a very drastic "diet". There is no reason to do anything with these sort of risks. I would suggest that the best way to get in shape is through simple diet and exercise. Might not be the fastest way, bur learning new healthy habits you can maintain for life is the only way to maintain a healthy weight permanently.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled program of injecting youself with pregnancy hormones and starving yourself. So unnecessary and ridiculous, IMO.
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TrixieSly

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Posted: 18 Apr 2010, 19:45
Hi Dean, I am on the maintenance phase of the HCG diet and doing great! Just have to follow the protocol. What phase are you on? Good luck to you!
leahl

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Posted: 18 Apr 2010, 22:26
I would be very surprised if males who take this hormone don't experience ill effects from it. Isn't it strictly a female hormone? Sorry but I don't get it.
deanplays

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Posted: 20 Apr 2010, 19:08
Hi TrixieSly!!! Glad to hear from ya. I'm just getting ready to start the Phase 3 portion. Almost done. Surprised) How do you like it? Has it been tough for you at all?




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deanplays

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Posted: 20 Apr 2010, 19:10
leahl,

I've had NO side affects. I'm rock hard, and gaining muscle as well, everyday! You really can't mock what you don't understand. I've been doing this under the supervision of a naturopathic Dr. It's all positive, my man! In 6wks, I've lost 32lbs!!!

Have a good one!




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TrixieSly

Joined: Mar 10
Posts: 15

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Posted: 20 Apr 2010, 19:24
P3 scared me a lot in the beginning but I'm getting it figured out. Had to make sure I was eating ENOUGH calories....and also am trying to keep my protein level around 30%. So far that seems to be working. My husband didn't really follow the rules and has gained some weight back...which is frustrating. He likes to think he's 'invincible' and can just do whatever....but he can't! He's learning the hard way I guess. But it's definitely nice to have more food choices now! Smile

Star_Glow

Joined: Mar 10
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Posted: 20 Apr 2010, 22:08
Glad to hear you are doing well TrixieSly....Hope hubby gets it on track soon as well. I had to do the same thing once I went off the HCG for Phase 3. I had to stay at my maintenance calories of 2100 and about 30% protein. Learning about my body and my relationship to food has been one of the great effects of the protocol. I start back to phase 2 next Monday and I am really excited to be getting back to shedding!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Links about HCG and the diet protocol (even the research studies)have been banned by k8 and FS.

So that I don't run afoul of the terms and conditions or the mean girls I will not be posting any further in the public forums. However, since several people have asked me to once again make my profile public I am doing that. Contrary to what others have said I am a real dieter and came on this site to track my weight, calories, and types of food. If I was a scammer I would certainly post better results than I have had. However with my hypoglycemia, insulin resistance and what I believe was the beginning of possible metabolic disorder I have done much better than I have ever done on any other diet. My blood tests for sugar, cholesterol, triglycerides, and others have made a HUGE improvement since I started the protocol and I have NOT lost any muscle mass - only FAT!

My original weight before starting the protocol was 195 lbs. I joined fatsecret to track my calories while in my first maintenance phase after getting rid of 27 pounds. I also went off protocol for a short while so my starting fatsecret weight ticker shows as 166. I am currently in my third round of phase 2 weight loss and am very happy with my results. My plan is that once I reach my goal weight to continue posting my weight once a month for at least a year to let everyone know how I am maintaining.

In the past I recommended a particular homeopathic HCG product (which I still would recommend) that is helping me but whatever method of weight loss you choose to use and that you find effective I applaud you for your commitment to weight loss and health and wish you good luck in getting rid of any extra weight.

In other words I will no longer be feeding the TROLLS.
leahl

Joined: Jan 10
Posts: 315

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Posted: 21 Apr 2010, 08:46
How was I mocking you, dean? I was asking a question (which you didn't answer) and stating that I don't get it. Because I don't.
k8yk

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Posted: 21 Apr 2010, 11:56
I have personally read every single one of "Star Glow"'s links and every link that has been posted in this or any other HCG thread on this site and I become more disturbed by this "diet" every day.

Not a single one of those links comes from a non-biased source. By this I mean EVERY single place I've found on the internet that supports the use of HCG is also SELLING HCG. Anybody notice the conflict of interest?

It's gotten so bad, that all these advertising websites have kicked real links to non-biased articles (there is NO PROOF that this sh*t works FYI) off the first few pages of Google.

I don't give a crap what you do to yourself. If that's what you want to do, please be my guest. But STOP advertising this starvation plan that asks you to inject yourself with a BANNED SUBSTANCE (like steroids) in the pursuit of losing weight on a site where there are many confused, desperate and YOUNG impressionable people. Would you really be okay if you teenage daughter wanted to try this???

Guys, this diet was popular in the 1970s. It's nothing new. It's just another ridiculous fad diet that will do more harm than good. I know nobody will hear what they don't want to hear, but PLEASE see a real doctor (not a naturopath- an unregulated position not to be confused with a medical profession) and explain this plan before you think of trying it.

Also, if you're thinking of ordering this crap and injecting it into your body, remember there's no way you can know what you're getting from an online source since you cannot get this stuff from a prescription since it is NOT APPROVED by the FDA for weight loss.
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Rnbwgrl

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Posted: 21 Apr 2010, 12:16
K8, you took the words right out of my mouth!

If I cut my calories to 500 per day you bet I would lose weight, but I would also be damaging my body. I have damaged it enough by getting so overweight and out of shape, I will NOT do it by injecting something that is ordered over the internet or by some quack claiming to be a "dr".

my opinion, your mileage may vary...

Mel
Tressatnt

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Posted: 21 Apr 2010, 12:28
This is so bizarre to me...I can't imagine actually injecting yourself with something, especially something so unknown, just to lose weight. Wouldn't you feel better about yourself by doing it the "real" way by eating less and exercising? Seems like an easy way out that isn't even good for you at all. I just don't get it. Kinda grosses me out actually, to be honest. Just my opinion.
Tressatnt

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Posted: 21 Apr 2010, 12:36
Not to mention, if I were on a 500 cal/day plan, I wouldn't be able to function, much less exercise which would NOT make me happy. Ugh. It sounds totally awful to me.
TrixieSly

Joined: Mar 10
Posts: 15

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Posted: 21 Apr 2010, 12:39
This diet works very well with few to no side effects. I did NOT damage my body and am now eating a regular diet of 2000 calories, doing light exercise and MAINTAINING my weight! I wish people wouldn't be so negative. I thought this was a website where we all SUPPORT each other in the fight against obesity!

My husband is a physician and I am a PA (physician assistant), so we have EXTENSIVE medical background and wouldn't do this if even for a MOMENT we thought it would be UNSAFE! I TRIED to find bad outcomes of this diet before I decided to do it, and couldn't find ANY! It's 40 days, and I felt fine, and I didn't inject anything BLACK MARKET into my body. I used a homeopathic version that doesn't even make your body test positive for pregnancy!

So let's stay positive and supportive of each other, instead of ranting to others that what they're doing ISN'T going to work or isn't safe....because you're just plain wrong.

Have a nice day! Smile
k8yk

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Posted: 21 Apr 2010, 12:49
TrixieSly, as a medical professional then, you decided that the FDA is wrong about this stuff?
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Rnbwgrl

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Posted: 21 Apr 2010, 13:13
This is the first time I have seen any medical professional stating this diet is acceptable and safe.

The Mayo Clinic nutritionist and the Johns Hopkins experts both recommend against the use of this diet for weight loss. Are there any major reputable hospitals that recommend using this treatment? Can you provide any good double-blind studies with the use of HCG and Placebos showing a greater weight loss with the HCG than the Placebo? Any medical journal articles from neutral MD's advocating the HCG Diet?

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/nov/02/health/he-nutrition2
DebP

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Posted: 21 Apr 2010, 13:14
My husband lost 35 pounds in 8 weeks eating right and working out regularly. He has not starved himself or had to inject himself with hormones. Just wanted to point out that you can have great results just by eating right and moving more.

Oh, and I have lost 15 pounds doing hte same thing...
k8yk

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Posted: 21 Apr 2010, 13:17
For those of you who claim there are no negative warnings about HCG, PLEASE read this. And please, don't take medical advice from people on the internet (including myself) See a REAL doctor with a good reputation.

http://www.dietscam.org/reports/hcg.shtml

"HCG Worthless as Weight-Loss Aid
Stephen Barrett, M.D.

Human chorionic gonadotrophin (HCG) is a hormone found in the urine of pregnant women. More than 50 years ago, Dr. Albert T. Simeons, a British-born physician, contended that HCG injections would enable dieters to subsist comfortably on a 500-calorie-a-day diet. He claimed that HCG would mobilize stored fat; suppress appetite; and redistribute fat from the waist, hips, and thighs [1]. There is no scientific evidence to support these claims [2-13]. Moreover, a 500-calorie (semi-starvation) diet is likely to result in loss of protein from vital organs, and HCG can cause other adverse effects. Gabe Mirkin, M.D., has noted:

At one time, HCG was the most widespread obesity medication administered in the United States. Some doctors liked it because it assured them of a steady clientele. Patients had to come in once a week for an injection [14].

Government Regulation

In 1976, the FTC ordered the Simeon Management Corporation, Simeon Weight Clinics Foundation, Bariatrics Management Corporation, C.M. Norcal, Inc., and HCG Weight Clinics Foundation and their officers to stop claiming that their HCG-based programs were safe, effective, and/or approved by the FDA for weight-control. Although the order did not stop the clinics from using HCG, it required that patients who contract for the treatment be informed in writing that:

THESE WEIGHT REDUCTION TREATMENTS INCLUDE THE INJECTION OF HCG, A DRUG WHICH HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED BY THE FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION AS SAFE AND EFFECTIVE IN THE TREATMENT OF OBSITY OR WEIGHT CONTROL. THERE IS NO SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT HCG INCEASES WEIGHT LOSS BEYOND THAT RESULTING FROM CALORIC RESTRICTION, THAT IT CAUSES A MORE ATTRACTIVE OR "NORMAL" DISTRIBUTION OF FAT, OR THAT IT DECREASES THE HUNGER AND DISCOMFORT ASSOCIATED WITH CALORIE-RESTRICTIVE DIETS [15].

Since 1975, the FDA has required labeling and advertising of HCG to state:

HCG has not been demonstrated to be effective adjunctive therapy in the treatment of obesity. There is no substantial evidence that it increases weight loss beyond that resulting from caloric restriction, that it causes a more attractive or "normal" distribution of fat, or that it decreases the hunger and discomfort associated with calorie-restricted diets.

Promotion By Kevin Trudeau

Negative studies and government action reduced the use of HGC injections for weight control close to zero. However, their promotion by infomercial king Kevin Trudeau may cause their use to increase. His 2007 book, The Weight Loss Cure They Don't Want You to Know About, claims that "an absolute cure for obesity was discovered almost fifty years ago" but was "suppressed" by the AMA, the FDA, and "other medical establishments throughout the world." Trudeau further claims that until now, "this miracle weight loss breakthrough has been hidden from the public so that drug companies can make billions of dollars selling their expensive drug treatments and surgical procedures for obesity." The alleged cure consists of HCG injections plus 50 to 60 required and recommended do's and don'ts [16].

In September 2007, the FTC charged Kevin Trudeau with violating a court order by misrepresenting the contents of the book. In infomercials, Trudeau falsely claimed that the book's weight-loss plan is easy to do, can be done at home, and ultimately allows readers to eat whatever they want. Previous FTC action had led to a court order banning from using infomercials to sell any product, service, or program except for books and other publications The order specified that he not misrepresent the content of the books. The FTC is now charging that he violated that narrow exemption [17].
References

1. Simeons ATW. The action of chorionic gonadotrophin in the obese. Lancet 2:946-947, 1954.
2. Asher WL, Harper HW. Effect of human chorionic gonadotrophin on weight loss, hunger and feeling of well-being. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 26:211–218, 1973.
3. Bosch B and others. Human chorionic gonadotrophin and weight loss. A double-blind, placebo-controlled trial. South African Medical Journal 77:185–189, 1990.
4. Carne S. The action of chorionic gonadotrophin in the obese. Lancet 2:1282–1284, 1961.
5. Craig LS and others. Chorionic gonadotrophin in the treatment of obese women. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 12:230–234, 1963.
6. Frank BW. The use of chorionic gonadotrophin hormone in the treatment of obesity. A double-blind study. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 14:133–136, 1964.
7. Greenway FL, Bray GA. Human Chorionic Gonadotrophin (HCG) in the treatment of obesity: a critical assessment of the Simeons method. West Journal of Medicine 127:461–463, 1977.
8. Shetty KR, Kalkhoff RK. Human chorionic gonadotrophin (HCG) treatment of obesity. Archives of Internal Medicine 137:151-155, 1977.
9. Lebon P. Treatment of overweight patients with chorionic gonadotrophin: follow-up study. Journal of the American Geriatric Society 14:116–125, 1966.
10. Lijesen GK and others. The effect of human chorionic gonadotrophin (HCG) in the treatment of obesity by means of the Simeons therapy: a criteria-based meta-analysis. British Journal of Clinical Pharmacology 49:237–243, 1995.
11. Miller R, Schneiderman LJ. A clinical study of the use of human chorionic gonadotrophin in weight reduction. Journal of Family Practice 4:445–448, 1977.
12. Stein MR and others. Ineffectiveness of human chorionic gonadotrophin in weight reduction: a double-blind study. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 29:940–948, 1976.
13. Young RL and others. Chorionic gonadotrophin in weight control. A double-blind crossover study. JAMA 236:2495–2497, 1976.
14. Mirkin G. Getting Thin. Boston: Little Brown & Co., 1983.
15. In the matter of Simeon Management Corporation et al. Order, opinion etc., in regard to alleged violation of Secs. 5 and 12 of the Federal Trade Commission Act. Docket 8996. Complaint, Oct 15, 1974. Final Order April 29, 1976.
16. Trudeau K. The Weight Loss Cure They Don't Want You to Know About. Alliance Publishing, 2007.
17. FTC: Marketer Kevin Trudeau violated prior court order. FTC news release, Sept 14, 2007.
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