HCG starvation diet or even death diet

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PeeFat

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Posted: 10 Feb 2010, 16:40
I was curious about the Hcg diet. So I did some research.From what I learned I wouldn't touch this possibly deadly yo-yo diet with a ten foot pole.
If your thinking about trying out this organ killing 500 cal a day diet its up to you. Read below and decide for yourself... are the risks killing your metabolism and possibly youself worth it?

HCG Diet Dangers: Is Using HCG Worth The Risks?
Posted on January 16, 2009
Filed Under Health & Wellness, Science & Medicine, Weight Loss

Many people, when hearing of a “new magic-bullet,” don’t want to hear anything other than how it can help them and where they can obtain their new-found cure or miracle. The emotional turmoil of struggling with weight-issues blinds many people to the obvious fallacies propagated by those selling the new cure, as well as the many risks associated with invasive attempts to alter their appearance. If you want to take a risk with a new diet remedy, that’s your decision; but there are at least two-things you should know about hCG first: For starters, it’s not new; and, it’s never been conclusively shown or proven to cause or increase weight-loss – not even by the guy who suggested this “new” method of dieting over 50-years ago.


In 1954, A.T.W. Simeons, a British physician, introduced this new method of dieting in which a reduced-calorie diet was coupled with injections of a pregnancy hormone – hCG. Simeons himself said that patients would not lose more weight with hCG than without it; he simply indicated that the hCG could help dieters sustain the diet and possibly cause the weight-loss to target specific areas (e.g. hips, belly, and thighs). In studies conducted since the introduction of this approach, all weight-loss has been attributed to the 500-kCal/day diet; and no difference in weight-loss or body proportion has been evident between those using hCG and those not using hCG. Thus, hCG has been repeatedly shown to be ineffective for increasing weight-loss and is “largely rejected,” by authors of these studies, for administration for weight-loss. The bottom-line, according to medical experts, is that hCG should not be used for weight-loss.

Now for the really good news – if you use hCG, your buoyed hopes and emotions may make the 500-kCal/day diet easier to tolerate. In fact, with hCG or placebo, you are sure to lose weight. But what’s the point? We all know that diets simply don’t work; and as soon as you stop starving yourself, your body will replace what it’s lost with a vengeance. In other words, your body will regain the lost weight and add even more weight to provide a buffer should you decide to starve yourself again. We’ve all seen this “rebound” phenomenon time and time again. A 500-kCal/day diet is difficult for a reason; the hCG – in some cases – simply makes it a little easier to do something that you shouldn’t do – something you know doesn’t really have lasting positive effects and something that will probably backfire anyway. And at what cost are we continuing to trick and manipulate our bodies?

Here’s a list of some of the possible negative effects of hCG:

¦Ovarian Hyper-stimulation Syndrome (OHSS) – which is a life-threatening condition
¦Arterial Thromboembolism - another potentially life-threatening condition
¦Blood clots
¦Risk of multiple pregnancies (twins, triplets, quadruplets, etc.)
¦Abnormal enlargement of breasts in men (gynaecomastia)
¦Over stimulation of the ovaries causing production of many ova (eggs) in women
¦Acne
¦Tiredness
¦Changes in mood
¦Irritation in area of use
¦Excessive fluid retention in the body tissues, resulting in swelling (edema)
¦Hair loss
¦Prostate hypertrophy
If hCG didn’t work and had no negative effects, then there would be no big deal; you could use it for whatever placebo value it may offer without worry or risk. But hCG does have very real potential negative effects – some of which could be life-threatening. Besides the fact that there is a huge black-market for hCG, and there’s a very large risk of getting a “substandard,” or “impure” product from an unknown source or manufacturer; there are very real health risks associated with this particular hormone. Even if you get it from your doctor, you still only know the source of the prescription – not the drug itself. And, depending on what type of hCG you use, and how you use it, the chances of experiencing one of the negative effects (which obviously range in severity) vary from 30% to an insane 45%. That’s like tossing a coin with your health knowing that you’ll either win and get no real, lasting benefit, or lose and possibly suffer greatly – or maybe even develop a life-threatening condition for the chance to lose some weight by starving yourself. Some people have been lucky with hCG; but some haven’t — and long-term studies have proven very disappointing for those hoping for a “permanent” cure. If you decide to toss this particular coin – good luck.
k8yk

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Posted: 10 Feb 2010, 17:03
Stuff like this is so sad. Starving yourself is very dangerous for sooo many reasons. I really can't understand why people can't just realize that you don't need a "magic" cure. The only way to lose weight and keep it off is a lot of hard work and changing your lifestyle.

It makes me so upset to think about the poor people who will try things like this because they are so desperate to lose weight. So sad that anyone could hate themselves enough to inflict this kind of punishment on their bodies Sad

I'd rather be fat and alive and healthy than skinny and dead. It's amazing that there are a lot of people who don't feel that way.
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kinzicar

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Posted: 03 Jan 2011, 00:54
I have not done this diet...yet...but have been researching it for a couple weeks now and I just do not see the risk listed in this article. What I see is success stories and people losing weight and keeping the weight off. You know all of the issues that you listed, are also side effects of being overweight and there are millions more for being overweight. Many doctors comments say that for obese people, a rapid weight loss can be more healthful than the risks involved in hCG hormone. I am seeing so much more (and I mean an amazing amount) information supporting the healthful benefits of hCG than against it. I am going to do a bit more research, but so far, there have been no deaths or even any documented cases of anything worse than a headache from this drug. It is not a magic bullet and does require adherance to a strict diet and phases that work to make sure you can maintain the weight loss. Most diets don't set you up to success to keep the weight off like this one does. Don't be so quick to judge from one article. This is a tool, just like any other diet suppliment out there.
Pixiestyx

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Posted: 03 Jan 2011, 02:04
Kin you said all of the side effects happen from being overweight too. I don't think the multiple births is a side effect of being over weight. If anything it would be a tad harder to get pregnant. And as someone stated in another post they posted a negative comment on a forum for hCG and it was deleted. Meaning they only wanted positive comments so people will use it. 500 calories is not healthy. I won't tell you not to do it and I won't tell you that you should do it. Besides getting information from websites talk to not only your doctor but get 2nd or 3rd opinion. A lot of the web sites are maintained by people who are in the business of selling the drug and only really care about their bank accounts. While your doctor will care more about your health.
Breezyb

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Posted: 03 Jan 2011, 20:58
I went to a seminar at a holistic Dr.'s office for the HCG diet and immediately realized that this is not a safe diet to be on. People who were on the diet were talking about how they had so little energy that somedays they would lay in bed all day and night not getting up because they felt dragged down...thats because they are not feeding their bodies the proper amount of calories to give them the energy they need for their daily lives. Not being able to get out of bed should have been the first clue that something was definately not right. I cannot say no you shouldn't do this diet, and I definately can't reccomend it, however from seeing some of the effects of this diet on other people I would not touch it with a ten foot pole thats for sure!
Canajun

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Posted: 03 Jan 2011, 21:26
There is very little reputable data online surrounding HCG. There is a sea of advertising and promotion, though.

Any reputable source I've seen, like the Mayo Clinic, does not condone this protocol. At all.

All I ask is for someone who has done the research to point me to a reputable source. By reputable, let's go with UNBIASED for starters, not Dr. Simeon's research.


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nepersonne

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Posted: 11 Jan 2011, 17:29
I would like to reply to this topic.

First off, I am not a doctor (nor do I play one on TV) and I don't sell/make/produce HCG in any way shape or form.
Secondly, I have done this diet, and am currently on it again. But mostly I have researched this diet and its various forms quite extensively for a client of mine.
What I've learned from researching is:
1. There is a hHCG (homeopathic) version that the person uses drops. There doesn't seem to be a consensus that the drops properly absorb, thus rendering them useless, not to mention it isn't the same as the compounded hormone version.
2. There are TONS of doctors and practitioners out there charging TONS of money for HCG programs, but treat them like "get thin quick" schemes. Take your money. Put you on shots. Say eat only 500 calories. Go off diet and you're back to normal.

Now, for my experiences.
I have been overweight for about 25 years. Tried various diets and even bulimia, but just seemed to always climb up and up the scales. Several years ago I adjusted my eating habits. I got rid of hydrogenated oils, HFCS, artificial sweeteners and enriched flours. That started my trip down the scales, but portion control (even of good things) got it going back up again.
So a client of mine, who's a FNP was opening up a weight management clinic - cuz yup, some people actually have a hard time gaining weight! He researched and decided upon the HCG "diet" with a twist. After seeing so many of his clients lose weight, I decided to give it a try.

I do have a background in nutrition, so I knew a straight out 500 calorie diet wouldn't work, your body goes into starvation mode and will start shutting down. I also knew that diets that say eat only carbs, or protein or whatever don't work, because most of us not only crave, but need variety to function properly. So after asking TONS of questions, reading online, etc I started it. I ended my 40 program Sept 3, 2010 with a total weight-loss of 44 lbs. I gained a grand total of 5 lbs since then, and that's because of all the holiday eating.

Here's the difference though, he (the FNP) checks with his patients every day and monitors your progress. He also doesn't just pat you on the back at the end and say "good luck", but rather spends a week on a 800-1000 calorie plan bringing you back closer to "normal" eating. And then another 2 weeks transitioning you to normal eating, with the addition of an exercise routine - something that you want to do (for example I hate the gym, but love biking.)

I’ve had lots of people argue that it was unhealthy for me, that it was just water weight, or muscle mass or whatever. The fact of the matter is, I was consuming over 8lbs of water a day and went from 34% body fat to 27.7% and went from a size 46 waist to a 38. I was tired the first week (which I was warned about) but after that I felt great – and rarely hungry. My stomach would gurgle, but I didn’t feel hunger pangs.

After being off of it for 4 months, I decided to do one more 40 day round, and get myself under 200. So far I’ve been on it one week, and have lost 14.2 lbs and have felt great this whole time (unlike the first week the first time). I've had energy to shovel snow, mountain bike ride, play with my son, etc. I’m looking forward to ending around Valentine’s day, and starting this year off much more healthy than I’ve ever been.

So in closing I recommend the following:
1. Don’t treat this as a “drop a few pounds quick” diet
2. Use this as a starting point for a lifestyle change.
3. Find a medical professional that has experience with it.
4. Make sure that professional is there for you, and doesn’t just drop you at the end.
5. Find a professional that has a local pharmacy who compounds in-house their HCG
6. Treat the 6 weeks (40 days) as a time to break old eating habits, and making new ones.
7. You can’t cheat, or skimp on the water (ideal is half your body weight in ounces.)
8. Check around, because many clinics and doctors are using this to make lots of money (my guy charges 1/3rd of what everyone else is, and provides so much more)
9. Realize that this might not be right for you.


I’m not including the contact info about the clinic I use, because I’m not trying to sell his services, but rather bring some personal experience to this discussion.

I hope it helped.
PeeFat

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Posted: 11 Jan 2011, 20:29
I believe the person above is a marketing rep. Join date Sept 10 First post, no start date of diet.. no info at all.

Do not believe the crap just fed to you in the pervious post.

just like the many HGC marketing web sites ouit there, tricking you into believing this is a healthy .. safe.. maintainable life style.

Sit down to dinner a few nights with an apple while the rest of yopur family eat a properly balanced meal and walk away feeling satiated.

It's funny watching soeone on HGC stand up fast and fall down from dizziness. Your dying a slow death. Your organs can't maintain a healthy role in your body on 500 calories a day. I think brain damage is the first thing HGC uses suffer. That my opinion.
iamtig

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Posted: 11 Jan 2011, 21:53
Nepersonne (the above mentioned's user name), translated into English means No one, or No body. Interesting user ID. ~tig

My mind controls my body, my body no longer controls my mind.

There is no more falling off the wagon for me. I am on for the entire trip. I am the only one in control of how smooth the ride.

(Both quotes by ~tig)
katballew

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Posted: 12 Jan 2011, 10:11
I noticed the folks who are pro-hCG simply state that it "worked" for them, they lost weight. But that completely avoids the fact that studies have shown the hCG doesn't do anything to "make" you lose weight. It is the diet that does that. If they simply did the diet without the hCG they would have lost the same amount of weight. So, given the potential risks of using hCG, why not just do the diet if you're not concerned about the drawbacks of starving yourself? To those who say the hCG worked for them, I would ask... what specifically do you thing the hCG did (separate from the diet)? I think that's what bugs me...
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k8yk

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Posted: 12 Jan 2011, 10:54
kat, that's exactly what I always want to know. If HCG is this miracle hormone- why can't you eat a reasonable 1200 calorie diet on it and see results? And I've browsed enough hCG boards to know that any time a person doesn't lose weight and starts asking why, everyone pounces on them that they aren't following the protocol *exactly*. So if this hCG is so awesome, why do you have to follow such an extremely restrictive diet to see any loss.

That coupled with the ridiculous notion that we can become fat by using oil-based lotion (um, that is absolutely NOT how fat gain works by any stretch of the imagination.) and I think it's so obvious that this is just a scam. But people are desperate to lose weight at any cost, so I guess they just believe it because they want to? Or do we really have such a poor understanding of how our bodies work to think that using lotion can affect our weight?
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sheripickle

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Posted: 12 Jan 2011, 11:19
Kinzicar.....nothing more than headaches?? I personally know one person it threw into early menopause and her doctor said if she had waited any longer it would also have destroyed her kidneys...... as it is it did irreversible damage Sad
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Posted: 12 Jan 2011, 11:41
Funny, I think that I have read EXACTLY the same post as the one posted from nepersonne again some months ago ...
katballew

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Posted: 12 Jan 2011, 14:01
Yeah, I think I'd rather get to eat a satisfying amount of yummy fruits/vegies/protein and even some sweets while I lose weight.
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Milestones:
Lose 10% (24.5):
Get under 200 lbs:
Get to 185 lbs:
Get to 170 lbs:
Get to 155 lbs:
Get to GOAL WEIGHT 150 lbs:

"Don't dig your grave with your own knife and fork." ~English Proverb

We have more ability than will power, and it is often an excuse to ourselves that we imagine that things are impossible. ~François de la Rochefoucauld

“Our whole story, from the beginning to the end, is about food—from the apple in the garden to the banquet table.” ~Carol Showalter
Canajun

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Posted: 12 Jan 2011, 15:04
Oh, the lotion thing makes me laugh and laugh, K8.

However, I find it troublesome that someone, ANYONE, is advocating not using sunscreen because you might absorb some fat. Absurd and dangerous.


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kstubblefiel...

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Posted: 12 Jan 2011, 15:53
So are you saying that my efforts to protect my pale skin made me fat, NOT the cake, donuts & sitting on my ass all day? This is mind-boggling.

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Canajun

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Posted: 12 Jan 2011, 16:46
Kat, that MUST be my problem, too! Razz


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bojilori

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Posted: 12 Jan 2011, 19:48
I tried the HCG diet, half heartedly, so of course it did not work, It was the compunded hormone, over seen by my physican's assistant, who had recommeneded it to me. It actually decreased my menopausal symptoms because it makes your body think it's prego. I lost approx 10lb the first 10 days and I did lose inches. I was that desperate, self loathing person, trusting my medical professional. My cost was $250 for a 1 month supply of the drops. I purchased the second month supply, even though I knew I wasn't following the diet correctly, vowing that I would this time. I dropped the $250 bottle on my tiled kitchen floor and it broke. I waited, order some online, not the pharmacy compunded kind, and guess what it is still in my fridge, partially used.
I WISH my PA, (who by the way was taking this herself and had every female in her office on it also,) I WISH she had discussed with me other options, especially since she wanted me to drop weight rapidly to get my blood pressure and blood sugar under control and recmmended the choice I have now made with the Atkins Diet (lifestyle change).
Needless to say I have not been back to see her, and had my medical records sent to a new office.
Just thought I'd share my experience on this topic.
Lori
nepersonne

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Posted: 12 Jan 2011, 20:53
Oh wow. It's amazing. I decide to finally post, and share some of my experiences and BAM! I get lambasted three ways to Sunday.

1. PeeFat - I'm not a marketing rep (otherwise, wouldn't I have tried pointing people to some website?)and I've been using the Calorie counter app, but hadn't looked into the forums... now I see what I've missed, thanks!

2. Nepersonne means what you say it does, I chose it years and years ago as a bit of irony. Shesh.

3. Alwaysalways - I would be VERY interested in seeing where you read "exactly" the same thing months ago as I just wrote it.

4. I have done one round of the diet and it worked well - for me. I am currently doing a second round to get below 200lbs, and it's working - for me. I don't think this diet should be treated like a miracle plan, nor as an excuse to live an indulgent lifestyle only to use HcG as a quick fix. And I stated in my last point that it's not for everyone, and that there are a lot of doctors getting rich preying on people.

5. Glad to see people are willing to look at both sides of the subject - oh wait, they're not.

johnonhongno...

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Posted: 13 Jan 2011, 16:27
This is proof of the power of a proper HCG program...

Began: March 2010, 410 lbs, 62" waist
Ended: December 2010, 218 lbs, 38" waist

I used a very structured program based on the original Dr. Simeon's protocol "Pounds and Inches" and my medical professional prescribed me the pharmaceutical grade HcG injections. Here's my before and after pic....



I work out at the same gym where nepersonne works out, so I can tell you first hand he's not a marketing rep.

Second of all, I went to the same clinic he did and I shed 190+ lbs in a matter of nine months. The key to any successful weight loss is eating right and exercising. The HCG program I went through wasn't just a quick fix. I learned how to change my lifestyle to keep the weight off. I just want anyone who's considering doing HCG through a clinic to ask the clinic several questions...

1. Ask to see and talk to some of the people who've completed the program successfully. If no proof of their success can be provided, then be weary!

2. Ask about post program maintenance. It's not worth your effort and money if you aren't going to know how to keep the weight off.

3. Ask about the quality of the HCG you'll be taking. Make sure it's not homeopathic, or you'll be wasting your money and time.

4. Read through Dr. Simeon's manuscript, "Pounds and Inches" to educate yourself more on the program BEFORE you go into a clinic. If there's a large number of discrepancies or alterations, steer clear!



Now if any of you have questions, feel free to ask.




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