the old version (1972) and the New Revolution of Atkins

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dawdevil

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Posted: 27 Jan 2010, 21:09
i have read many testimonials and forums and have heard alot of people say that the 1972 version helped them to lose weight QUICKER and ive seen it and ive done it...and this new revolution..people are claiming that counting the NET carbs has slowed thier progress alot, but its suppose to be a HEALTHIER way of eating by incorporating more veggies

personally i havnt been in to the new version but 7 days so i cannot comment


the old version allowed you to count CARBS..20 a day this version is NET CARBS with 12-15 NETCARBS from veggies..so i guess it would all depend on ones food preferences likes and dislikes...and results you get


just an FYI

darlene
now that i have been and will be seeing docs regularly , i intend to weigh in at each visit only..that way i dont obssess at home about anything...thats a downfall for me..so...will keep ya posted as i go along o.0
CatherineT

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Posted: 27 Jan 2010, 21:39
I agree...I like the '72 version better. Not a fan of a lot of the allowed veggies (artichoke hearts is the first that comes to mind). I am watching the carbs, trying to make sure I eat protein with every meal/snack, and the kicker - cutting out sugar! I did Atkins a few years ago, and lost 36lbs. in 6 weeks. Taking a little longer to get going this time because I forgot about the sugar I was adding to my morning coffee.
GlennM

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Posted: 27 Jan 2010, 21:41
Thanks for the information Darlene - I think it perhaps was changed so Atkins could be seen as a more healthy alternative in the long run. Either way it works I suppose. The main thing for me is I'm not craving carbs or sugar as I'm not eating them in large quantities, yet once I reach my goal weight I definitely am giving up the fat-laden meats I think except for the rare occasion that give Atkins a bad name. No matter what one thinks or believes long-term like anything else (like smoking etc.) it can't really be good for someone. I will eat lean meats for the most part, more fruit and more vegetables and ditch the fat for long-term maintenance except for olive oil and maybe once or twice a week for the red meats that are such a big part of my diet now...
My name is GlennM- Hi!
DeniseTra

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Posted: 27 Jan 2010, 21:50
The main reason that the diet changed was feedback from the dieters. People complaining about constipation, bad breath, and other side effects. (Colette explains it better).
The added fiber not only helps with those symptomns, it makes the diet way healthier in the long-run. Don't forget, Atkins is NOT a DIET. It is not a short-term program to loose weight.

Atkins is a long-term nutritional plan that is supposed to teach you how to eat right for the rest of your life so that you don't have to keep trying time after time to loose those same pounds that you gained back.



GlennM

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Posted: 27 Jan 2010, 22:01
Denise is right about it being long-term, but once one has lost the weight there are healthier ways one can manage their weight besides eating bacon, hamburgers or eggs every single day, which just really have to be a part of induction. I am not eating the fat-laden foods to the extreme once I reach my goal weight no matter what, such as the ones I just mentioned. They may be OK to get to one's weight loss journey but to stay healthy long-term I just don't buy it with the bacon, eggs and hamburgers all the time, which one really has to eat on induction due to lack of food choices since so many diet foods are filled with even more chemicals than the meats... And the mystery foods like Stevia no one yet knows the long-term side effects of - all I know is they give me Charlie horse leg cramps...P.S. Additional note: I will eat more fish, chicken and pork in the future and dairy too...P.P.S. I know Atkins is the best way for me - and I will do maintenance and add more healthy foods to my diet. I saw on TV recently that eating large amounts of fat (like we do on Atkins) does stress the heart. Of course, we're losing weight so the benefits in the long run outweigh the risks of being obese. And Atkins done properly DOES lower cholesterol, not raise it. However, I plan to do it in a manner once I reach my goal weight and find my maintenance level for carbs I'm eating less fatty red meats. That's just my personal choice...
My name is GlennM- Hi!
dawdevil

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Posted: 27 Jan 2010, 23:44
when u think of all the fatty stuff though like u said..oesnt that cause like congestive heart failure..clogged arteries, high cholesterol..i mean everyhting has its affects

the point i was trying to make..is that some say the older version was a quicker way and from what ive read people agree that the new rev. is a healthier way..thats all
and as we know everyones body is different everybody has thier indivdual preferences in food everybody has an opinion and can say what they feel works for them or doesnt..i guess its a matter of what works better for one as an individual..and how it makes them feel..

it just struck me strange that i was reading such contraversy is all

anyways i hope we all are happier and sucessful..but to each thier own right??

hugs dar
now that i have been and will be seeing docs regularly , i intend to weigh in at each visit only..that way i dont obssess at home about anything...thats a downfall for me..so...will keep ya posted as i go along o.0
dawdevil

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Posted: 27 Jan 2010, 23:47
people also have to consider that alot goes in to marketing products well these days...like i said what works for some may not for others..and thats just a known fact i think BOTH plans work..as there have been HUNDREDS of success stories for ALL these years...so obviously IT WORKS!!!! or we all wouldnt be here!!!!
now that i have been and will be seeing docs regularly , i intend to weigh in at each visit only..that way i dont obssess at home about anything...thats a downfall for me..so...will keep ya posted as i go along o.0
usemyotherad...

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Posted: 28 Jan 2010, 02:24
I have been on the diet for 30 years...I think I know more than most about Atkins, and dieting on this plan long term.

For some of you, PLEASE stop doing Rockstars...first of all they're not good for your liver, you are better off doing straight Voddka...they also make feel a crash, which makes you hunger for carbs.

Any/all caffeine will make you gain weight, and keep fat stored in your cells. Any caffeine is bad on this diet, which is murder on the liver and kidney's as it is, because of the high protein. Rockstars have the same contents as film developer fluid...and you're not learning to use the low carbs to curb your appetite.

People use them for a crutch. They will trigger a glycemic enzyme, and you will definitely go off the diet.

If you're not hungry, while on caffeine, it's duh, because your tweaking. Also, if you don't eat every 4 hours, you will slow your weight loss. Stay under 1500 calories for the whole day.

Look at is this way, with the low carb diet, you start a fire in your system, which burns calories...

When you light a fire in a fireplace, you add wood little by little to keep the fire going, too much wood, or too little wood, the fire goes out...same with our bodies. What no one seems to know, is that without a carb, protein and fat cells flush right out of our system. Protein and fat cells, need something to grab onto, in order to remain in the system and turn to fat.

About tortillas, you're going back to old habits, just because they say low net carbs, doesn't make it so...since we all metabalize the glycemic sugar in the carbs differently. Stay away from all white foods...except high fats like mayo, cream cheese, cream and cauliflower.

Don't get a false sense of accomplishment, and go back to the foods that made you fat. Even if they say low net carbs...do not EVER go over 20g of carbs for the first 3 weeks. No matter what you read or hear. Think about this long term, not as a quick fix. I don't think anyone here has done this diet more than five years.

I know a ton of things you can eat...stop getting recipes for bread...even Atkins...it's a bad habit, learn to eat without it...like lettuce wraps, etc. You have to retrain your way of thinking and eating.

Cauliflower, steamed whipped with butter tastes just like mashed potatoes...again, caffeine will make you gain weight, as it stores fat...don't eat after nine, and make sure to drink half your weight in oz. of water, to flush the ketones from your liver, because this diet can be fatal...if you don't.

This diet can be fatal if you drink rockstars, because your organs can only take so much abuse. After all, Atkins is not a healthy way to go, it should only be used by those in which nothing else will work.

I can help with meal plans, once I know what you like. I know thousands of recipes under 20 grams of carbs. No fruit but strawberries, which you can have with whipped cream...

If you use the Ketostix which measure fat content, they can help you stay on track, by color...you can tell when you can add or delete carbs based on your stick color. A perfect gage, since we're all different.

You can go 30 days without a loss, as long as the stick shows color, you are burning fat...it just means you're building muscle mass which weighs twice as much as fat. The more muscle you build, the faster you lose. Sometimes I have gone more than a month without losing an ounce...I wanted so badly to say f it, and eat like crazy, but stuck it out, then woke up with 15 lbs gone. The body has memory of recent weights, and will do it's best to stay at that weight, because it thinks you're in survival mode. Never, skip breakfast, that's the first log on the fire, and you won't burn, without wood on the fire.

Even as long as I have been on this diet, I learn great tips from each and every one of you, and it give me the strength to stay on, when I think I am over it...30 years of the same foods suck...but so does being FAT

You all have done great so far!!!! Hang in there, and remember, nothing tastes as great as thin feels! You tear down a brick house, one brick at a time...we lose weight one pound at a time...we spend too much time trying to hurry the weight off, even though we spent years in a fat suit.

Compare a pound of weight loss, to a pound of hamburger...it's really quite a bit. Best wishes and luck, to all of you.
monicats

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Posted: 28 Jan 2010, 05:09
I totally agree! There are tons of delisious food choices that will keep you satisfied ...it is like putting your body engine on high octane fuel...eat right and you will burn fat!
Thanks for a great note!
DeniseTra

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Posted: 28 Jan 2010, 08:59
Glen,

I think that you are doing the typical perception of what Atkins diet is if all you are eating is high-fat foods.

5 days a week I have a MIM. I have eggs and bacon maybe once a week or once every 2 weeks. I eat way more chicken and turkey than I do steak. This week alone I have had steak, bacon, turkey, chicken, salmon, trout, pork roast and tuna.

The ENTIRE purpose of OWL is to transition you into more carbs and and lower fat(as a percentage of diet) than on Induction.

Anyone that stays on Induction more than a few weeks is making a mistake that is sabotaging their progress long-term. (I speak from experience)

I have seen you say several times that after you loose the weight you are going to transition to a "healthier" way of eating. It is apparent to me that you really haven't studied the later phases of the nutritional plan if that is your perception.
GlennM

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Posted: 28 Jan 2010, 09:21
I HAVE TO stay on induction to lose. And this time definitely without question as I'm not getting ANY exercise due to arthritis issues in my back especially and my feet. I am on metabolism-slowing meds. I know on OWL I will be eating healthier, as I will be eating fruits and other healthier foods. I'm speaking from my experience on this diet and like Gorham Mike I must stay on induction to lose. I don't have a choice in the matter, I tried more carbs and gained in the past quickly especially without exercise. Unlike most people on OWL however, I will cut out red meat for the most part, that was my point... Atkins works for me I have no complaints with it really, but I am not someone who just does something religiously their way or it's the highway - like the Atkins plan. I'll do maintenance MY WAY, without red meats most likely. Whether it's my sister and her Shamanism, my aunt and her Catholicism, my mother and her atheism/agnosticism everyone can take things to extremes and not budge. I don't go there - I follow a different drummer be it esoteric philosophies - which I see followers also take too seriously or my spirituality or anything I do or follow I do it with an open mind, and as far as Atkins goes I believe when I go on OWL I will do it in a healthier way in my own way just for me...P.S. In this confused message what I'm trying to say that once I find out what my maximum carb maintenance level is I will eat no sugar - except fruits and in vegetables and I will eat whatever I want even if they're high carb vegetables for example as long as I stay below the level and the food doesn't make me gain (such as low carb tortilla shells)... And thanks usemyotherad... for your advice your words speak volumes. I drink coffee but usually decaf. Sometimes everyone thinks the books have all the answers and people who've done it a long time like you know where it's at... Also one can stay on induction six months too...
My name is GlennM- Hi!
ThisFatBlack...

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Posted: 28 Jan 2010, 10:04
With DeniseTra everyone remember Atkins is not meant to be bacon, eggs, and fatty foods. Atkins stresses lean meats as your primary source of proteins and the majority of your fats should be coming from MUFAs “monounsaturated fatty acids” like those found in olive oil, canola oil, nuts, and avacados. Studies show the people that eat them are more successful at dropping body fat, lower the risk of developing type II Diabetes, heart disease, and stroke.

Doing Atkins right is key, there is no congestive heart failure..clogged arteries, or high cholesterol. Studies show cholesterol and blood pressure are actually lowered when living a low carb lifestyle. So don't worry Dawdevil unless you have a special condition that says otherwise and have damaged yourself beyond repair you'll be fine.

As far as the old Atkins goes. It sayed only 20 net carbs for induction but with the suggested cup sizes of the veggies alot of people were going way under if they just stuck to that and most weren't really adding in the carbs from other areas. Alot of people inadvertently were only consuming 10-15 carbs. Even though technically the body actually needs no carbs for survival, people need to be well rounded, eat them in moderation and gain the nutritional benefits by eating those that are optimally best.



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GlennM

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Posted: 28 Jan 2010, 10:16
Hi This fat... you're so right, but I'm doing induction right now long-term so I can't have nuts yet. I know the diet is healthier in the long run, but like the woman above it has its problems like trying to incorporate bread with all these Splenda mixes etc. I just plan to avoid those pitfalls too many may fall under. Someone who has been doing Atkins thirty years - longer than some of the people on here have been alive knows the ins and outs of the program much better than us newbies who may have really only been doing it right for three or four years. I'm a success by the way - I'm not fat anymore, so don't get me wrong, I'm an Atkins devotee for life, but am doing things differently a bit once I reach long-term maintenance - and I think you're all the best so don't think I'm mad at any of you!!!
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BigChick

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Posted: 28 Jan 2010, 15:15
DeniseTra wrote:
Glen,

I think that you are doing the typical perception of what Atkins diet is if all you are eating is high-fat foods.

5 days a week I have a MIM. I have eggs and bacon maybe once a week or once every 2 weeks. I eat way more chicken and turkey than I do steak. This week alone I have had steak, bacon, turkey, chicken, salmon, trout, pork roast and tuna.

The ENTIRE purpose of OWL is to transition you into more carbs and and lower fat(as a percentage of diet) than on Induction.

Anyone that stays on Induction more than a few weeks is making a mistake that is sabotaging their progress long- term. (I speak from experience)

I have seen you say several times that after you loose the weight you are going to transition to a "healthier" way of eating. It is apparent to me that you really haven't studied the later phases of the nutritional plan if that is your perception.


Great post .... I think I have sabotaged my progress and now I am trying to figure out how to change it and make it right.

This entire thread has some great posts and has made me think about re-evaluating what I perceive as Atkins. Wow ! Thanks for making me think about this stuff. I have been inbred with the mentality that staying on Induction longer is the "right-way" and now that it isn't working so well, this has certainly opened my eyes.
DeniseTra

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Posted: 28 Jan 2010, 20:35
Glad we could help Bigchick!

Last year I did Atkins, stayed on Induction the entire 6 months, lost 50#s and quit. I had not learned any tools to eat in the real-world beyond the regimentation of Induction.

I quit and gained those 50#s back...PLUS another 20#s.

This year I've been on OWL since week 3, lost the same 50#s in 4 months, and am constantly eating new and exciting foods.

I am always on the Atkins board, and I have to say that time after time, the people who end up failing and coming back later are those that stayed on Induction too long.

Also, it is a misconception that you will loose more weight on Induction than moving on to OWL. The first step in OWL is adding 5more NET carbs from veggies. Then you slowly reintroduce nuts OR berries.

I firmly believe that OWL is the key to success.
good luck!
ShaShing

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Posted: 28 Jan 2010, 21:38
Thanks for that advice...I am completing my 2nd week on Induction and was thinking about staying on it a while longer.



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