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Keri15

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Posted: 21 May 2008, 10:42
Hello Atkins buddies!
I'm going to start the fat fast plan on Monday. I was hoping the peeps who have done or are on the fat fast could help a girl out with some menu ideas? Please?
I have no idea what to eat. I've read the book and keep it beside me at all times but would still like to know what the best meals are for the plan!! Thanks!!
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BadAndee

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Posted: 21 May 2008, 11:20
well, your 'meal' fits in the palm of your hand. Think about all the things that you can have and make sure its a do-able diet, first!

It's very easy...easier than Induction, as far as not feeling hungry...so that's a major advantage! Smile

I take it you already know how the meal plan works, so I won't load you with the details...just food ideas;

1 oz macadamia nuts
2 oz cream cheese
macadamia nut butter with 2 oz cream cheese
half oz heavy whipping cream
2 oz pate
2 egg yolks hard-boiled with tbsp of mayo
1 oz of tuna, chicken or salmon with tbsp of mayo

Atkins lists several other things in the book that I wish I'd seen before now! darn it! Smile

This is what he says;
* 2 oz sour cream, 1 sbsp caviar, served on 3 or 4 crisp fried pork rinds
* 2 deviled egg halves, no whites, but on the pork rinds or thin slice of Atkins soy bread (recipe in the book)
2 oz of chicken salad made with triple amount of mayo (or ham salad, egg salad, shrimp salad)
* 1 oz of the above in an avacado half
* 2 1/2 oz of heavy whipping cream, artificially sweetened and add ground vanilla beans
*and the book has recipes for chocolate truffles

That's about all I can find. One other site mentioned that they ate weiners (all meat, no nitrate less than 1 g carb per serving) I found that Oscar Mayer carries weiners that fit that description. I ate those with mustard.

Good luck my friend! Now that i'm all done with that FF, I am still not hungry even though I've incorporated like maybe 6-10 g of carbs back into my diet.

Let me know if I can help you. If you don't have the book, I'll get the recipes and copy them down for you too! Hugs friend!


*if you find that you're losing too fast or have feelings of 'crashing too fast', add an extra meal to your daily 1000 calories.
Here are some of those choices;
2 oz beef chuck cooked in 2 tbsp of olive oil
2 scrambled eggs with 2 strips of nitrate-free bacon

*** For those sweet tooth days;
2 tbsp of full-fat sour cream, cream cheese OR 1/2 oz heavy whipping cream (whipped) with tbsp of DaVinci syrup.

I whipped up the HC, added 1 tbsp of cream cheese and then 1 tbsp of sugar free chocolate syrup! (now, that's good!)
see ya!
BAD ANDEE
sararay

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Posted: 21 May 2008, 13:52
I'm sorry, I have to say something. You can ignore me if you wish.

The Fat Fast was never intended for people so close to their goal weight. It was intended for obese people who could not lose ANY weight even on the induction menu. It is not intended to be a crash diet. Sometimes people use it for a day or two to jump-start ketosis or to get out of a plateu, but not for more than that.

This is why people say Atkins is such an unhealthy diet. Doing the Fat Fast does not help you learn to encorporate healthy food choices into every-day eating. It isn't necessary for most people to cut out all carbs in order to lose weight.

I, for one, am not going to ever do the Fat Fast. I don't need to because I know that if I follow induction strictly I can lose weight at the right rate for my body.

I hate to be so contradictory but I felt I had to say something because I believe this fat fast thing is getting out of control with all of my Atkins buddies. If you read the book, then you already know all of this.

I don't mean to offend anyone, I just have to voice my opinion.

Love the food that loves you back.

Take it one day at a time!
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BadAndee

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Posted: 22 May 2008, 10:57
Sara,
I really feel prompted to say something in response to your post. I hope you'll ignore it if you wish, as well.

Although it's true that the fat fast was designed for those who were metabolically resistent, I do not recall reading that it was not ever meant for people who were so close to their weight goal. In fact, I haven't found any material to support that statement. The Atkins book states that it was designed for those people who were completely resistent to losing body fat, a long plateau or a stall, such as what I myself experience. Dr. Atkins also states that he considers it safe to utilize the fat-fast to jumpstart the weight loss process, for up to a week. Most people will not want to go longer than that, just out of sheer boredom with constricted food choices, but he does mention how a person who finds success on the FF, can intersperse a few carbs and continue to remain on the FF.

A positive way to look at this would be that anyone who chose to properly follow the advice of Atkins while doing the short-lived fat fast, should experience some kind of jump start to their weight loss, and should consider it fairly safe.

After the longest weight plateau of my life, I did the FF for 5 days and have finally been able to move the scale just a bit. However, I do not feel that I made an irrational decision simply because I had a smaller percentage of body fat to lose.

I am not meaning to offend you AT ALL, believe me, but I have been watching the same Atkins buddies struggle just as much or more than myself with losing weight. Of course when they see progress is made by participating in the Fat Fast, they buzz about giving it a try! I don't believe that constitutes as getting "out of control", nor do I think it poses a threat to their current health.
see ya!
BAD ANDEE
Leesah

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Posted: 22 May 2008, 11:40
IM SORRY, I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, AND BY ALL MEANS...IGNORE ME, if you wish!

Very Happy

I read the atkins book, and I have also read about the FAT FAST diet. No where in the Atkins book did I read that the "fat fast" diet was only intended for those extremely obese.
Although it may not be necessary to completely eliminate carbs from your diet to achieve weight loss success, it doesn't mean that if you do choose that route it will cause harm to the body. Our bodies are pretty efficient and cabable of surviving a week on the fat fast as long as we are healthy.
The fat fast is not a learning tool for making everyday healthy food choices, but nobody ever said it was. Hopefully people have a basic understanding of how to eat healthy before considering this diet. Luckily everyone I know here seems to be pretty smart about their eating choices!
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sararay

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Posted: 22 May 2008, 12:19
I guess he does not exactly say you have to be obese, but he does say you have to be metabolically resistant. I probably link the two in my mind. I am not downplaying how it has helped you BA, as I see that it has. I know you did it responsibly and with a lot of knowledge about how your body works. I just don't like the idea of promoting it to people who maybe haven't read the book or don't have a solid understanding of Atkins as it stands. It should not be done without a full understanding of Atkins principles.

These things, however, Dr. Atkins does say in DANDR:

"Let me make it clear that the Fat Fast is actually dangerous for anyone who is not metabolically resistant. For people who lose weight fairly easily, the rate of weight loss is too rapid to be safe. But it carries very little risk for people who can barely lose on any other regimen." p 273 (my bold type)

I took this to mean that it is only appropriate if you are so metabolically resistant that you are overweight or obese despite any attempt at weight loss. If you are able to maintain a healthy weight (in other words within a healthy BMI range, even if it isn't your ideal weight) that you do not fall into this category of "metabolically resistant". People who are 10-20 lbs from their ideal weight and have not been much more than that ever in their lives are not metabolically resistant.

In his chapter on metabolic resistance he also goes through a lot of other issues that should be addressed before trying the "fat fast". Insulin resistance, prescription drugs or hormones, thyroid issues, and candida issues. These are serious issues that someone should look into because if that IS the issue, then they need medical attention. The fat fast only comes into play when the problem is "none of the above". This is where I am coming from as I work in the medical field and I have this perspective.

I, personally, know why I am metabolically resistant. I had been on medications earlier in life which messed up my metabolism, along with hormone BC (which I stopped taking as well). From all the research I have read, I believe it is possible to reprogram your metabolism, but not by ways of extreme dieting. I believe that food heals and that is where I am coming from.


Great discussion, by the way. Thanks for the lively and thoughtful contributions. Smile

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Keri15

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Posted: 22 May 2008, 12:27
Wow!! Thanks for all the great opinions and facts!! I'm going to wait for my weigh in tomorrow before I decide what to do. If I haven't changed I will try the fat fast for 3 days. I have folloed the induction plan almost to a T. I have cheated once and had a couple of low carb beers here and there. I used to lose weight very easily but I have had problems losing this weight since my miscarriage. Something has messed up my hormones and I am REALLY struggling to lose the weight. I'm not wanting to lose the weight so I can be a smaller size or buy new clothes. The fact of the matter is that my summer clothes from last year aren't fitting nicely and I DON'T want to buy new clothes I have plenty of great clothes!! Please any advice you can give me will be greatly appreciated. I HAVE read and re-read my book many times and think I might just have to jump start my weight loss a bit. If it is true that I have plateaued for 4 weeks!! I guess I'll find out tomorrow!! Wish me luck!!


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Posted: 22 May 2008, 12:28
Like I posted in another spot, sometimes the mere discussion of Fat Fast brings out the finger-waggers and copied section of Atkins where it is dangerous. I say this after recently reviewing other low carb websites where people would ask about peoples' experiences on the Fat Fast, and theyd get more replies about its dangers than the positive or negative experiences on it that others have had.
This is understandable..its nice that people care about our diet choices... But like all fasts, they are temporary..and when done for a few days or so..probably wont do any harm.
I also noted, that there are people like myself, who dont choose to listen to the "danger" the Fat Fast may cause...and do it anyhow. I really want to incorporate this fast into induction until Ive lost my last 15 or so pounds. But Ill probably just do the modified version of the fast next time around.
Oh yeah, I also posted some cool entries about high fat diets..check em out! Dont forget the benefits of coconut oil too Cool
sararay

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Posted: 22 May 2008, 12:48
Keri, as you are making an informed decision once you weigh-in, I'm not going to worry about you. Smile If 3 days will jump start your loss then it is worth a try. Just be sure to drink a ton of water and watch for warning signs. Talk to Shannon and BA about what to look out for and what to do if you feel icky.

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lorik

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Posted: 22 May 2008, 12:49
Whoa... How did I miss out on this conversation???

Well, my 2 cents worth is....

Nothing. I say do what you want, heck... I'm sick of this weight and I'd eat a turd if it would work at this point!Rolling Eyes
Diets are like a jar of jalapenos.... the choices you make today might just burn your butt tomorrow!!!

"I can lose weight and be healthy, exercise to the best of my ability, and get stronger and better at it every time I do it."
sararay

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Posted: 22 May 2008, 12:57
Laughing Lori, you crack me up!

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BadAndee

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Posted: 22 May 2008, 12:59
Lori, you're hilarious! Well, the discussion has been fun, if nothing else! Debates are kinda fun!

have a good day out there! I know I will be enjoying TORNADO-VILLE!! I'm about to head off to work and pick up more trees which should equal MORE calorie burning! (and blisters!) Sad
see ya!
BAD ANDEE
Keri15

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Posted: 22 May 2008, 13:07
You're right Lori!!
I'd literally eat sh*t on a stick if it'd work!! Yummy!!!
Egg yolks and mayo here I come....maybe....lol!!


Shannon_21

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Posted: 22 May 2008, 13:32
I remember Lori's comment from earlier this week about something along the lines of doing anything..using her example she just did hahahaha! So I knew Lori would understand! That being said, I now believe her wanna-be-thin-or-else sickness is worse than mine! Laughing And I know IM SICK!
Vizuri

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Posted: 23 May 2008, 09:07
Hi, I'm new, what is the fat fast and how does it work. Don't worry, I'm not planning to do it. At least no time soon. I'm having a hard enough time in phase 1 of this diet but I'd like to know. thanks
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sararay

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Posted: 23 May 2008, 12:27
It is explained in Chapter 20 of Dr.Atkins New Diet Revolution.

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Vizuri

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Posted: 23 May 2008, 12:45
I found a website that talks about it. Ohh, it says it can be dangerous as it causes weight to drop off too fast. Maybe that's not a good idea. hmm
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bugaloo

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Posted: 29 Jul 2011, 10:54
hi I am new to this whole internet talk thing so bear with me. I am very open and honest about my successes and failures, so if anything i say is offensive, I apologize. Just trying to share my experience, strenghth and hope. (sound like a recovery meeting? well been there done that too and still with it) I am so not new to DIETING. my whole life I have struggle with my weight. I know that I am preaching to the choir when I say that I have tried and failed at so many diffenent diets and weightloss fads. I bypassed yo-yo ing and lived a life of bungi dieting and everytime that cord broke and I crashed. One day in 1995 someone told me about an illegal drug that would make it so that I wasn't hungry. Ran to it and stayed with it FOR TEN YEARS. Life long addictions and the most debilitating one was food. August 2004 at 213lbs I was introduced to Atkins (o-my-lanta) It worked IT WORKED!!! The principles, techniques, and science. I took ownership of me and my choices. Was it easy? h*ll no. change is as difficult losing weight. I challenge anyone to look in the mirror and try to lie to one's self after eating a whole box of vanilla wafers saying "I only had one" You can't lie to yourself. We are our own worst enemy. Not to mention the media and what the world expects us women to look like and what is socially acceptable. They lie to us all the time, and we fall for it. This is how I get my reality check on "the real world" GO TO WAL-MART!!!! Look around THAT'S REAL. Now my success after a LIFE STYLE change, I lost 45 lbs the first four months(induction). Never in my life had I seen results like that, I kept with it. I started and 213lbs and now I am 135 yes!! I am prone to saddle bags and my butt is a 10 on good days and a 12 on bad. I have people look at me and say "but your so thin" UM ok NOT! I have resigned to the fact that I will never be a Sports Illustrate swim-suit model because the dairyfarm of cottage cheese that resides on my butt and having a child left me with a world atlas to read on my stomach. I could get better lift than a 747 with my wings. But I am HEALTHY! my joints dont hurt my back is fine and my heart is strong and bloodwork tells me that all my organs are functioning at an age I WISH I COULD BE AGAIN. But I am 42 and NEW! I am now reshaping with Yoga and Pilates at home (some of those positions are for no-one else to see you in) and I love it. I am learning to love the new me and LADIES whatever phase or method (legal and healthy) that you find that works for you, its ok. different body types diffents metabolisms required different approaches. (Oprah is rich enough if there was a magic pill or could be invented SHE would have done it!!) My 151 lb plateau was conquered by fat fast, one day a week, followed by lo-carb lo-cal and it is just another step closer to my goal. Thank you for letting me share, and here's a little nuggets to chew on, EVE started all of this back in the Garden of Eden, she fell into the lie and ATE. We were predestined to struggle with this issue. LOL
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Posted: 30 Jul 2011, 10:15
Can you explain to me what a "fat fast" is? Thanks.
Chiluv

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Posted: 30 Jul 2011, 10:19
Sorry everyone. I'm very new to this site and just realized that if I had scrolled up I would find the answer in Chapter 20! I look forward to getting to know everyone here. Second day on induction! Smile Still reading the book obviously not finished yet. Wink



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