Diet Plateaus, ways to address them

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tiamatj

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Posted: 19 Dec 2007, 12:15
Atkins covers in his book ways to jumpstart your diet if you are stuck and not showing any weight loss. He does point out that plateaus, as in a stop in weight loss, are normal and not uncommon in later stages of weight loss. Causes could be new medication, reduction in activity level, yeast and thyroid problems and food intolerance. Maybe there is a specific food that is stopping you in your tracks. You could be getting sloppy about carb counting or not looking for hidden carbs.
If this is not the case and you have ruled out all the above He suggests a fat fast It contains virtually no food except fat, It is calorie controlled as well Please read chapter 20 of "Dr atkins diet revolution" before undertaking this, it actually can be harmful to those who are not metabolically resistant .
A food diary may help significantly so that you are truly tracking your carbs. measuring your vegetble intake can help as well.
Well I got through my eye surgery with no complications adn tomorrow they will be removing the bandages. I am so excited.
sararay

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Posted: 19 Dec 2007, 12:49
I am sorry to sound contradictory, but I have to clear up a fact. A fat fast is not for stalls in weight loss, but for people who don't lose anything on induction, I am pretty sure as I have read the Atkins book twice in the last year. The point of the fat fast is to show people who are severely resistant that they can, in fact, lose weight. Most people plateu from time to time. It is important during this time to stick to the plan that has worked so far and wait it out. Sometimes our bodies have to adjust to the new weight. You may also be losing inches.

Also, Atkins defines a "stall" as "no loss in over a month". I don't think it is stated, but safe to assume that this would mean a stall in weight loss in which the dieter has not cheated at all. If you have cheated, then you know why you are stalling. Sometimes it just takes cutting back to a previous level of carbs to get you going again.

Lets face it, if you are doing Atkins it is because no other plan has worked for you. And by that I mean counting calories and cutting fat. So, probably most of us are metabolically resistant to some degree. We will have stalls and we will get through them. If you have had results in the past and you have not changed what you eat, then it will work itself out. If you have introduced new foods and they made you stall, then even if they are your favorite foods, you can live without them until you reach your goal weight, then have them sparingly.


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tiamatj

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Posted: 20 Dec 2007, 01:29
I guess it was my wording in my title. I actually meant to address the first issue,if you arent losing at all and the second issue if you are plateauing. Sorry, I guess when I posted I wasnt completely clear, the anesthesia from my surgery today was probable still affecting me. I am fully aware that they are two different things, I take no offense to you correcting this poorly written section on my part. I wanted to address the plateau since I do believe that Atkins addresses this issue so well. In chapter 20 he talks about metabolic resistance which I think can give people who are struggling some hope. The scale can honestly be a untrustworthy source of verifying weight loss at times. Checking by measurement will give one good results. I use a tight pair of jeans and try them on every few weeks. I usually see some results. I have gone up and down for weeks in my weight before then see dramatic loss sometimes after struggling for weeks to lose. Mostly it is usually due to not monitoring closely the carb intake. Thanks for the correction, I am actually fairly well read on Atkins as well, I tend to use the second book on diabetes more. I have been using atkins for over 6 years now and love to discuss whatver insights others have.
surrealchere...

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Posted: 20 Dec 2007, 03:49
Good discussion thank you both for the information.

I'm not doing Dr Atkins, nor am I doing south beach.
However I don't eat any flour, sugar or white stuff.
The only carbs I eat are Veggies and I've had beans a couple times in my chili.

I am not loosing very fast, however I feel good and I'm not starving all the time. Smile
The longer I do this the more I think we are not made to eat carbs, at least not the ones that the food industries whip up and then lure us to with advertising.

I do think we were made to eat anything we could hunt or gather (like the complex carbos found in vegetables) Smile
sararay

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Posted: 20 Dec 2007, 12:34
You are absolutely right surreal, the processed foods we eat only began to be mass produced within the last century. It is no coincidence that the rates of diabetes and high cholesterol skyrocketed since then. We are made to eat whole foods.

This is something Dr. Atkins was specific about and something that people forget as time goes on. Many other diet revolutionists are quite adamant about whole foods.

It will also not be any surprise to you that the current food pyramid was designed by a bunch of buisiness men, not by doctors and nutritionists. Yet, it is what the USDA standards are based on and what the medical community accepts today as a healthy diet. I don't know about you but if I ate 7-10 servings of grains (at least half being whole grains) per day I would blow up like a balloon.

If we eat any grains they should be whole grains, as proccessed white flour gets metabolized into the blood stream almost as fast as pure sugar. But even 7-10 servings per day of whole grains would be excessive for the average person. When I get to maintenance phase I won't have more than probably 3 servings per day. I too get most of my carbs from vegetables and nuts.

I think your approach is very reasonable and that as long as you are losing, don't worry about the rate of loss.

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tiamatj

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Posted: 20 Dec 2007, 14:34
Great point about the food pyramid. During the last revision of the food pyramid, the advisory committee considered changing the 1995 recommendation of adhering to a diet "moderate" in salt and sugar to "eating less salt and sugar." The powerful sugar industry fought the change, and the guidelines now tell consumers to "moderate your intake of sugars." (The "less salt" revision stuck.) Lobbyists and representatives of major food companies wield a lot of power in regards to stipulating what is considered "healthy". One of the biggest attacks on the food pyramid is its limitations on consuming healthy fats and total disregard of the existance unhealthy carbohydrates. Not all carbs are created equal!!! lol. Its amusing to see health advocates who had scorned Atkins low carb approach getting on the bandwagon regarding the glycemic index. I agree with both of you that over consumption of processed foods has really been a huge factor in seeing a rise in obesity and diabetes. The so called healthy fruit juices for children are loaded with processed sugars masked as "fructose". I could go off the deep end on this topic. Real food kicks buty any day.
sararay

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Posted: 20 Dec 2007, 16:01
Oh, don't get me started on food for kids. Rolling Eyes

It is really sad that money is what drives the health recommendations instead of actual medical research. That is why people need to read for themselves before they decide on a course of action.

I know that when I learned all of this, it led me to find a good Naturopath. He doesn't bill insurance and therefore doesn't have to practice medicine the way that insurance companies dictate. He doesn't believe that money should be leading healthcare. He truly practices the way he believes is best. He has a degree in formal "western" medicine as well as a Naturopathic degree. If you knew how much our insurance companies dictate what healthcare we receive you would agree that it is a twisted system. Really. Even medicare is inefficient and inadequate for our senior citizens. Again, don't get me started.

I go to a regular doctor too, but half of what he says just seems so ignorant sometimes. They can treat acute illnesses like colds and infections very well. And they are decent at preventative medicine, but when it comes to chronic illnesses like diabetes, high cholesterol, autoimmune diseases and Shock personalised DIETS, they are absolutely clueless unless they read up on it on their own and disregard antiquated sources. I'm sure there are some great ones out there, as I have met some awesome doctors (not near where I currently live), but a lot of general practice physicians can't possibly keep up with all the advancements in current research.

Ok, I'll stop now. I'm ranting. LOL.

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sweetsin

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Posted: 20 Dec 2007, 18:12
I agree they are only out for money and could care less about you. I just got denied for my birth control shot and pap at my regular clinic because I have a bill for $300. I have been sending them 50$ a month since October. BUT being that I don't have them automatically take it out of my account they won't see me. They want to have it so if I decide not to pay for a month they can FREEZE my account. And then all hell would break loose. You need a lawyer to unfreeze your account and NO it aint happenin. Needless to say the bill is actually my sons but I am responsible for it of course. I also want to say that I have excellent health insurance. I just went to a different clinic is all to have it done. I'm sorry but I Hate the medical industry with a passion.Evil or Very Mad
surrealchere...

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Posted: 24 Dec 2007, 08:41
You know I'm lucky I'm so old. LOL
The pure sugar cereals didn't start until I was too old for them, and my mother actually cooked our meals. I was never fat growing up.
Yes, the food pyramid was made by big business.

You know what I find odd, is the governments issue EBT cards (food stamps) yet you can buy any kind of junk with it. Many reports show our poorest are the fattest hmmm 1+1=2 (cough, lobbyists cough)
We also pay for gastric bypass for the obese poor,and diabetes is rampant among the poor.

I know this is crazy, but I think it would be cheaper in the long run to give more money for food and have tight restrictions or eliminate sodas, snacks, and convenience foods.
sararay

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Posted: 27 Dec 2007, 17:48
I was reading the WIC program. The sugary cereals that they allow and all that fruit juice (sugary not natural) is just not healthy for pregnant mothers or young children. They don't give any money/stamps for real vegetables. It is so sad.

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sweetsin

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Posted: 27 Dec 2007, 22:27
Wic only allows 100% juice and cereal w/no sugar in it. I know because I get it and no one eats the cereal. I always get the generic rice crispies and make rice crispie bars out of them.
mommakikki

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Posted: 27 Dec 2007, 23:00
Here in Oregon, during the summer they give out farmers market checks so you can get fresh veggies and fruits, so that is really nice, it would be nice if they did it year round! The only cereal that is close to sweet is the Honey bunches of Oats, which is about the only one on the list that my hubby will eat.
Here's too lookin as sexy as the day I met my hubby!!!
surrealchere...

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Posted: 31 Dec 2007, 05:32
Sugar Cereals,
I never let my son eat sugar filled cereal when he was little. I took a cue from my sister-in-law. He got one box of junk cereal on Christmas Eve. LOL It was so funny, we'd make our pilgrimage to the market and he would march right up and put the most advertised cereal on the belt then announce to the checker it was his special junk food Christmas cereal.





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